German hate crimes......

Hate knows no boundries, no limits. The depths of depravity are bottomless. It ignores all divisions of people, covers all distinctions and preys on us all. We are all guilty/victims.

I"m surprised that ET hasn't phoned home and called in an orbital strike.

limerickman said:

Yeah, those god awful westerns where the bad guys were always the Native Americans.

or ocassionally Mexicans.

Carrera said:

'We humans are a cruel lot and no nationality is without shame. Lets not play holier than thou."

This is true. I do think, though, that Japan and Germany stand out on their own as having a particularly shameful record. In fact, one of the problems is China is now starting to feel sore about POW abuses by the Japanese but the sad thing is modern Japan no longer represents that old imperial country.
As for the neo-Nazis, this appears to be a problem in East Germany - the younger generation specifically. The fact black people cannot be guarnateed safety in some of these zones would indicate a serious problem and the German Government needs to get to grips with it.

I'm glad the US doesnt have a shameful record.

The U.S. has a horrific record with regard to plantation slavery, although so does Europe too. That was particularly shameful for want of a better word.
However, Japan and Germany stand out as having loathsome human rights records although it's odd that modern Japan and the Japanese of today evolved into a peaceful nation.

shokhead said:

I'm glad the US doesnt have a shameful record.

MountainPro said:

or ocassionally Mexicans.

Being part Cherokee I feel slighted and demeaned, as I believe the Canadinas should also have taken their turn as the bad guys.
I mean they were conveniently close and the mounties would make an easy target with the red uniform and all.

Carrera said:

The U.S. has a horrific record.

i think he was being sarcastic...

However, Japan and Germany stand out as having loathsome human rights records although it's odd that modern Japan and the Japanese of today evolved into a peaceful nation.

Its not an oddity. It is no coincidence. In fact, it is nothing. It i sjust that. japan today is a peaceful nation, yes it is. The folks of Japan take up a laid back play on life. THey are settled, comfortable, and hunky dory. Do you ever seem them protesting against this and that? NO, even though you dont see much opf their protests on teh news, they dont complain much. And yes, they do have their historical haunts, they complain too much about South Korea.

Take one walk down that country, no you dont see many folks smiling, but you can see their attitude and state in the cartoons they draw on ythe streets and sue to represent themselves.

So no, Japan is not exactly settled with ots history, most folks there are uneducated in WW2 history actually. They dont care about the near history or whatever, their national identity is in their history. what matters to them is their culture and way of life.

South Korea on the other hand takes matters of pride in its accomplishments. THeuir lovelo semiconductor industry, when it was growing was seen as a matter of national priode. It's what a lot of their pride is all about.

THe most interesting protest I saw in Japan was anti-Iraq invasion protests.

But dont worry, things will eventually, one way or another turn out okay and well in Iraq, and one day the fools who lament Bush and his folks will soon have the final laugh directed at them.

Modern Japan is indeed a peaceful nation. There is a lot of culture in Japan, I think, appreciation of ceremony, tea-drinking, martial arts, self-discipline e.t.c. Neither is there much crime to speak of.
I do know the younger Japanese, however, have gotten into suicides on a worrying scale - maybe due to pressures of economic competition and the demands made of them.

hellohellohello said:

However, Japan and Germany stand out as having loathsome human rights records although it's odd that modern Japan and the Japanese of today evolved into a peaceful nation.

Its not an oddity. It is no coincidence. In fact, it is nothing. It i sjust that. japan today is a peaceful nation, yes it is. The folks of Japan take up a laid back play on life. THey are settled, comfortable, and hunky dory. Do you ever seem them protesting against this and that? NO, even though you dont see much opf their protests on teh news, they dont complain much. And yes, they do have their historical haunts, they complain too much about South Korea.

Take one walk down that country, no you dont see many folks smiling, but you can see their attitude and state in the cartoons they draw on ythe streets and sue to represent themselves.

So no, Japan is not exactly settled with ots history, most folks there are uneducated in WW2 history actually. They dont care about the near history or whatever, their national identity is in their history. what matters to them is their culture and way of life.

South Korea on the other hand takes matters of pride in its accomplishments. THeuir lovelo semiconductor industry, when it was growing was seen as a matter of national priode. It's what a lot of their pride is all about.

THe most interesting protest I saw in Japan was anti-Iraq invasion protests.

But dont worry, things will eventually, one way or another turn out okay and well in Iraq, and one day the fools who lament Bush and his folks will soon have the final laugh directed at them.

hellohellohello said:

So no, Japan is not exactly settled with ots history, most folks there are uneducated in WW2 history actually. They dont care about the near history or whatever, their national identity is in their history. what matters to them is their culture and way of life.

actually, this brings to mind a documentary i watch some time back about Hiroshima, t went into the Japanese involvement in the war and thier atrcoties in south east asia and prisoner camps.

WW2 history is deliberatly NOT taught in most Japanese schools because they are ashamed of thier actions. They want to forget it.

The treatment of Chinese prisoners by Japanese was really beyond belief. Now China is a superpower, there is a real feeling in China of "Let's beat up on the Japanese and get out own back!"
The truth is, though, that modern Japan no longer represents imperial Japan and today Japan only threatens other countries economically.

MountainPro said:

actually, this brings to mind a documentary i watch some time back about Hiroshima, t went into the Japanese involvement in the war and thier atrcoties in south east asia and prisoner camps.

WW2 history is deliberatly NOT taught in most Japanese schools because they are ashamed of thier actions. They want to forget it.

Hell,what Japanese did with any prisoners was a crime. Operations without drugs,sex with animals,amputations of anything switching of arms,leags,heads to see how long someone might live with someones else body part.

It should also be remembered that the scientists and doctors at Unit 731 and other units working on bacteriological and chemical warfare were granted amnesty after WWll by the US in return for their "research".They were rewarded by the US in fact.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
Unit 731 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Noone occupied the "moral high ground" in that particular theatre of operations.

The truth is, though, that modern Japan no longer represents imperial Japan and today Japan only threatens other countries economically.[/QUOTE]

Many wars have been started and fought over economic sanctions and Japan and China have a very long history of hostility.

I think China won't stand any messing over the Taiwan issue but, apart from that, I don't think China has any desire at all to take the imperialistic route. This is a wise choice as well since dabbling in Third World countries seems to have been the fall and undoing of many a nation.
Having said that Chinese youth today seems to really hate the Japanese. They were furious that the Japanese schoolbooks glossed over Japan's war crimes.
Let's be frank as well: America has committed some nasty human rights abuses in its time but can't compare remotely with Japan. It's hard to figure out how and why the Japanese behaved in the manner they did but I guess that history done and dusted.

jhuskey said:

The truth is, though, that modern Japan no longer represents imperial Japan and today Japan only threatens other countries economically.

Many wars have been started and fought over economic sanctions and Japan and China have a very long history of hostility.[/QUOTE]

Crimes of hate - These are found in all Countries. It is a part of human nature that we seek to blame others for our discontent. Whether we display our displeasure through calling people names, or through bayonetting babies is not down to how inately good we are - it is rather down to our actions as a social animal and is not restricted to Nationalities.
The distrust displayed on this thread for people of German or Japanese descent, based on the actions of WWII, could equally be applied to the people of almost any descendant string in the World. What Nation or Society has not, at some stage, victimised a group within its midst.
The hooliganism that Wolfix refers to is not a Germanic trait, it is a human trait, abhorrent though it may be, and the fact that (I hope) none of us engage in such actions, may be more due to circumstance than to our innordinate superiority.
I have lived and worked in many Countries across the World and, while I prefer some societies over others, I have seen victimisation of one group over another group in every society I have lived in. If you are going to hold the atrocities of WWII up as an example, condemning the descendants of the perpetrating Nations forever more, please don't stop there - also condemn the descendants of every Nation in the World that has ever carried out any form of social victimisation either within or outside its borders. There won't be very many people left standing to cast stones.

EoinC said:

Crimes of hate - These are found in all Countries. It is a part of human nature that we seek to blame others for our discontent. Whether we display our displeasure through calling people names, or through bayonetting babies is not down to how inately good we are - it is rather down to our actions as a social animal and is not restricted to Nationalities.
The distrust displayed on this thread for people of German or Japanese descent, based on the actions of WWII, could equally be applied to the people of almost any descendant string in the World. What Nation or Society has not, at some stage, victimised a group within its midst.
The hooliganism that Wolfix refers to is not a Germanic trait, it is a human trait, abhorrent though it may be, and the fact that (I hope) none of us engage in such actions, may be more due to circumstance than to our innordinate superiority.
I have lived and worked in many Countries across the World and, while I prefer some societies over others, I have seen victimisation of one group over another group in every society I have lived in. If you are going to hold the atrocities of WWII up as an example, condemning the descendants of the perpetrating Nations forever more, please don't stop there - also condemn the descendants of every Nation in the World that has ever carried out any form of social victimisation either within or outside its borders. There won't be very many people left standing to cast stones.

Not so many that can stand after they get stoned either! 😄

England Fans With Swastikas Arrested

Two England football fans were arrested in Frankfurt for breaking German law by flaunting SS insignias. The fans, aged 21 and 24 and from Bolton, Greater Manchester, were held at the Waldstadion as England beat Paraguay 1-0. Both men, who had daubed the symbols on their bare torsos, were released after paying a surety and allowed to remain in the country but may be prosecuted later.

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