German camp sites - coffee?

"Rob Oldfield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I'm headed off to the Black Forest in a couple of weeks for my first fully
laden tour in years. I'm going to be staying at camp sites and the big
question is, of course, how do I guarantee my early morning, rolling out
of
the tent, caffeine shot? Does anyone know if they tend to have coffee
bars
(or similar)?

(I'm not planning on taking any cooking kit. My masochism doesn't go that
far.)

Having cycle camped in Germany for the last 2 years -- my own morning
caffeine intake was normally taken "on the road". In hot weather I was
usually packed and cycling by 0700 hrs or earlier. I could always guarantee
a "backerei" open early where I could buy fresh "brötchen" and have a cup of
espresso to see me on my way. Camp sites rarely provided that service! But
you will have no problem in find morning "frühstuck mit café". Keine
problem! Viel glück!

--
Trevor A Panther
In South Yorkshire,
England, United Kingdom.
www.tapan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

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"Rob Oldfield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I'm headed off to the Black Forest in a couple of weeks for my first

fully

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laden tour in years. I'm going to be staying at camp sites and the big
question is, of course, how do I guarantee my early morning, rolling out
of
the tent, caffeine shot? Does anyone know if they tend to have coffee
bars
(or similar)?

(I'm not planning on taking any cooking kit. My masochism doesn't go

that

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far.)

Having cycle camped in Germany for the last 2 years -- my own morning
caffeine intake was normally taken "on the road". In hot weather I was
usually packed and cycling by 0700 hrs or earlier. I could always

guarantee

Quoted message said:

a "backerei" open early where I could buy fresh "brötchen" and have a cup

of

Quoted message said:

espresso to see me on my way. Camp sites rarely provided that service! But
you will have no problem in find morning "frühstuck mit café". Keine
problem! Viel glück!

--

Yikes. A knowledgeable answer a minute after the original post. Newsgroups
really are a killer resource. It's just a bit sad that the answer was not
the one that I wanted to hear. I think I may have to rethink the plan and
maybe take something that can boil water. I'm planning a 'dress rehearsal'
for tomorrow - strapping everything to the bike that I'm going to need - so
will see how that goes. Many thanks for the info.

Rob Oldfield said:

I'm headed off to the Black Forest in a couple of weeks for my first fully
laden tour in years. I'm going to be staying at camp sites and the big
question is, of course, how do I guarantee my early morning, rolling out of
the tent, caffeine shot? Does anyone know if they tend to have coffee bars
(or similar)?

(I'm not planning on taking any cooking kit. My masochism doesn't go that
far.)

We have a wee titanium gas stove head, weighs less than 100 grammes
and easily fits in a case about the size of 3 matchboxes. Ally it
with the smallest size of self-sealing gas cyclinder and it would
actually fit in the back pocket of a cycling jersey if you wanted,
though obviously a pannier is better, plus you'll need a small pan,
but as is often the case with the right kit, really not much
masochism involved.

Our stove head is an Outdoor Designs and we have it because I won
it! It's okay, but not necessarily class leading or anything. The
MSR Pocket Rocket is a popular alternative for a micro-stove. A
collapsible windshield (ours is MSR) takes up very little weight or
space and makes a noticeable difference to both speed and fuel
consumption.

One thing I'll add is that piezo-lighters built into stoves are, on
the basis of the one that used to be on ours, not worth your
bother... ;-/ (took it off and saved another 9 grammes!)

On top of that you'd want a collapsible filter holder, Ortlieb do a
good one and it should be a doddle to source in Germany if you
can't find one here. Then all you need is decent coffee and some
filters: shouldn't be a problem.

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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Rob Oldfield said:

I'm headed off to the Black Forest in a couple of weeks for my first fully
laden tour in years. I'm going to be staying at camp sites and the big
question is, of course, how do I guarantee my early morning, rolling out of
the tent, caffeine shot? Does anyone know if they tend to have coffee bars
(or similar)?

No idea about that. But german campsites tend to be truly ghastly
pack-'em-in-sardine-style places. If you don't want to wild-camp,
you'll have a better time in their guest houses - many of which are
excellent and very reasonably priced.

--
not me guv

Don't bother carrying all that stuff , loadsa caffs in Germany.
Enjoy their breakfast (Fruestuck/ whatever), their coffee, their lovely food
and countryside (Lanschaft?)

--
John Clayton
www.calder-clarion.co.uk

Quoted message said:

Yikes. A knowledgeable answer a minute after the original post.
Newsgroups
really are a killer resource. It's just a bit sad that the answer was not
the one that I wanted to hear. I think I may have to rethink the plan and
maybe take something that can boil water. I'm planning a 'dress
rehearsal'
for tomorrow - strapping everything to the bike that I'm going to need -
so
will see how that goes. Many thanks for the info.

Rob Oldfield wrote on 29/07/2006 20:31 +0100:

Quoted message said:

I'm headed off to the Black Forest in a couple of weeks for my first fully
laden tour in years. I'm going to be staying at camp sites and the big
question is, of course, how do I guarantee my early morning, rolling out of
the tent, caffeine shot? Does anyone know if they tend to have coffee bars
(or similar)?

(I'm not planning on taking any cooking kit. My masochism doesn't go that
far.)

Take some coffee beans (chocolate covered if you can get them) and chew
a couple when you get up.

--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci

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Rob Oldfield wrote on 29/07/2006 20:31 +0100:

Quoted message said:

I'm headed off to the Black Forest in a couple of weeks for my first fully
laden tour in years. I'm going to be staying at camp sites and the big
question is, of course, how do I guarantee my early morning, rolling out of
the tent, caffeine shot? Does anyone know if they tend to have coffee bars
(or similar)?

(I'm not planning on taking any cooking kit. My masochism doesn't go that
far.)

Might be a good opportunity for you to kick the caffiene habit
and go au naturelle out into the dawning of the day without artificial
assistance........you're on holiday not heading for the office or
wherever.

"brigodon [email protected]" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Rob Oldfield wrote on 29/07/2006 20:31 +0100:

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I'm headed off to the Black Forest in a couple of weeks for my first

fully

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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laden tour in years. I'm going to be staying at camp sites and the

big

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Quoted message said:

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question is, of course, how do I guarantee my early morning, rolling

out of

Quoted message said:

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the tent, caffeine shot? Does anyone know if they tend to have coffee

bars

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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(or similar)?

(I'm not planning on taking any cooking kit. My masochism doesn't go

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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far.)

Might be a good opportunity for you to kick the caffiene habit
and go au naturelle out into the dawning of the day without artificial
assistance........you're on holiday not heading for the office or
wherever.

The chocolate covered idea from Tony, I like - though it would miss the
smell of good coffee. The cold turkey idea I don't. Next you'll be
suggesting that I don't drink the quart of vodka before the day's ride.

"John Clayton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Don't bother carrying all that stuff , loadsa caffs in Germany.
Enjoy their breakfast (Fruestuck/ whatever), their coffee, their lovely
food and countryside (Lanschaft?)

Or just make friends with fellow campers and let them know your affliction.
They may be able to help.

I was told than "a brew" was neccesary by regular ukrc's on here. Tosh.

A cold tinny was the thing I missed most, and I met enough people with
fridges to help out. In fact, it made the beer taste even sweeter, and I
made a better example for our nation by cycling to the nearest shop and
replacing doubly. (sp?)

Camping, the biggest problem is warm beer, warm wine and melting cheese. The
best thing, is meeting people willing to help. 🙂

elyob said:

A cold tinny was the thing I missed most,

You go to Germany and want to drink beer from cans!?!?

Where's my English/German phrase-book? Let's see: uncivilised, uncouth,
fails to appreciate the local produce? Nope. Hmm, I need a more
up-to-date phrase-book than my grandmother's 1902 edition.....

Mike

"Mike Causer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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elyob said:

A cold tinny was the thing I missed most,

You go to Germany and want to drink beer from cans!?!?

Where's my English/German phrase-book? Let's see: uncivilised, uncouth,
fails to appreciate the local produce? Nope. Hmm, I need a more
up-to-date phrase-book than my grandmother's 1902 edition.....

Mike

The Weiss bier -- wheat beer is quite delicious and is a cloudy beer. I
particularly like the "Dunkeln Weiss bier - a dark wheat beer served very
cold and cloudy in a tall 1/2 litre glass. And at lunchtime, on the road
have a "Radler" -- literally a "biker" which is a shandy! But beware the
bottled variety is still about 3% abv.

I chilled my evening bottle of white wine in one of my cooking pots filled
with water and covered over with my wet multipurpose dishcloth thingy. ---
after 1/2 an hour it was distinctly cooler and very drinkable!

--
Trevor A Panther
In South Yorkshire,
England, United Kingdom.
www.tapan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

brigodon [email protected] said:

Might be a good opportunity for you to kick the caffiene habit
and go au naturelle out into the dawning of the day without artificial
assistance........you're on holiday not heading for the office or
wherever.

Though caffeine can become an unhealthy addiction, in many cases
(as with alcohol) it's just something used because it's /nice/ to
the imbiber. I know I can do without a caffeine kicksatrt, simply
because I regularly do. But I do appreciate the smell and taste of
coffee in the morning, especially if coupled with a croissant.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Rob Oldfield said:

The chocolate covered idea from Tony, I like - though it would miss the
smell of good coffee. The cold turkey idea I don't.

what's wrong with a good headache for the most part of your holiday? 😉

---
Marten Gerritsen

INFOapestaartjeM-GINEERINGpuntNL
www.m-gineering.nl

elyob said:

Camping, the biggest problem is warm beer...

I like to wrap a bottle of beer in a thin cloth (actually, I usually use
kitchen roll), soak it in water, then leave it out for an hour or so
before I open it. It might need resoaking a couple of times. If
there's a breeze then this usually gets the beer down to a pleasant
drinking temperature.

It won't get anywhere near fridge temperature, of course, but then
beer's not supposed to be that cold.

--
Danny Colyer <URL:http://www.colyer.plus.com/danny/>
"He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

Rob,

Can you give me details on how you booked this trip? I've been wanting to
do a cycling trip in Europe for ages, but the ones I find are almost £700
and I was hoping I could do it with less money!! After all, cycling is
supposed to save you money...?

Thanks.

--
Vivian
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"We learned more from a three minute record than we ever learned in school".
No Surrender

"Rob Oldfield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I'm headed off to the Black Forest in a couple of weeks for my first fully
laden tour in years. I'm going to be staying at camp sites and the big
question is, of course, how do I guarantee my early morning, rolling out

of

Quoted message said:

the tent, caffeine shot? Does anyone know if they tend to have coffee

bars

Quoted message said:

(or similar)?

(I'm not planning on taking any cooking kit. My masochism doesn't go that
far.)

"Vivian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Rob,

Can you give me details on how you booked this trip? I've been wanting to
do a cycling trip in Europe for ages, but the ones I find are almost £700
and I was hoping I could do it with less money!! After all, cycling is
supposed to save you money...?

Thanks.

http://www.ctctours.co.uk/

It'll be the first CTC organised one that I've done - having previously done
tours with companies that provide support/carry luggage etc. The one thing
that you can definitely say about them is that they're not expensive. The
Black Forest thing that I'm doing is two weeks for £375 (plus you have to be
a CTC member which is a non-mammoth £33). Which obviously leaves a bit of
spare cash for some coffee making kit.

Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as Rob
Oldfield <[email hidden]> gently breathed:

Quoted message said:

Yikes. A knowledgeable answer a minute after the original post. Newsgroups
really are a killer resource. It's just a bit sad that the answer was not
the one that I wanted to hear. I think I may have to rethink the plan and
maybe take something that can boil water. I'm planning a 'dress rehearsal'
for tomorrow - strapping everything to the bike that I'm going to need - so
will see how that goes. Many thanks for the info.

How about a can of coke instead? ISTR Coke has more caffeine than
Pepsi, but TBH I've never 'got' the caffeine thing, and I don't do hot
drinks at all, so I'm probably not the best to offer advice.

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elyob said:

Camping, the biggest problem is warm beer...

I like to wrap a bottle of beer in a thin cloth (actually, I usually
use kitchen roll), soak it in water, then leave it out for an hour or
so before I open it. It might need resoaking a couple of times. If
there's a breeze then this usually gets the beer down to a pleasant
drinking temperature.

If you stand the bottle in a shallow bowl of water, capillary action
will keep the cloth wet. The cooling effect is caused by the
evaporation of the water (same way sweating works) and is how people
kept their milk cold in the days before fridges.

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Mike Causer said:

elyob said:

A cold tinny was the thing I missed most,

you Oz or something? B****y galahs the lot of them :-)

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You go to Germany and want to drink beer from cans!?!?

Where's my English/German phrase-book? Let's see: uncivilised, uncouth,
fails to appreciate the local produce? Nope. Hmm, I need a more
up-to-date phrase-book than my grandmother's 1902 edition.....

German beers used to have to be brewed according to the Reinheitsgebot -
although I think this was replaced so that they could produce "beer"
made with rice and other unmentionables. Bud I can't think of any beer
made from rice, can you...

When I was there you got cases of returnable bottles from their versions
of off licences - and got a refund on the empties when you returned
them. Not sure how you could lug one of those around on a bike though,
unless you invest in a trailer!

--
Brian