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  1. According to finance whiz Kunich, the dot-com bust was because Clinton
    didn't try to stop investors from dumping cash into lousy IPOs.

    http://www.thestreet.com/_tscrss/funds/investing/10341308.html

    Fortress went public two weeks ago and doubled in price on the first
    day. But what investors may not realize is that the five principals
    pretty much stripped the company clean just before the IPO.

    Total withdrawn in the two years before they took it public: $1.9
    billion. Most of that was in the final few months.

    This isn't just every penny that the company earned over that period
    -- it's a lot more. By the time the owners opened the doors to the
    investing public this month, the company wasn't just out of cash -- it
    had negative book value. Liabilities actually exceeded assets by $507
    million.

    In other words, the owners didn't just clean out the vault. They left
    a pile of IOUs -- and used the new money to balance the books.

    When the overallotment is finally calculated, ordinary investors will
    probably have put in $685 million.

    Let's be clear. Edens and his partners have done nothing illegal.
    Let's even go as far as saying they did nothing unethical.

    They sold a stake in the company to the investing public on an "as is"
    basis. And all this was disclosed in the prospectus.

  2. Quoted message said:

    According to finance whiz Kunich, the dot-com bust was because Clinton
    didn't try to stop investors from dumping cash into lousy IPOs.

    http://www.thestreet.com/_tscrss/funds/investing/10341308.html

    Dumbass,

    Quick! Look over there! The Al Qaeda guy we've had in Guantanamo for, like,
    5 years, who confessed to planning the 9/11 attacks several years ago? Well,
    one week before the 4-year anniversary of the invasion, the White House
    wants you to know he just confessed again! Plus, Saddam Hussein was a very
    bad man.

  3. "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Fortress went public two weeks ago and doubled in price on the first
    day. But what investors may not realize is that the five principals
    pretty much stripped the company clean just before the IPO.

    Total withdrawn in the two years before they took it public: $1.9
    billion. Most of that was in the final few months.

    Don't worry -- they had to do that to get ready to move the company to it's
    new HQ in Dubai; you can find them in some suites next to Halliburton.

    NS
    wall street insider

  4. Nev Shea said:

    "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote innews:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Fortress went public two weeks ago and doubled in price on the first
    day. But what investors may not realize is that the five principals
    pretty much stripped the company clean just before the IPO.

    Quoted message said:

    Total withdrawn in the two years before they took it public: $1.9
    billion. Most of that was in the final few months.

    Don't worry -- they had to do that to get ready to move the company to it's
    new HQ in Dubai; you can find them in some suites next to Halliburton.

    NS
    wall street insider

    You people are either mathematically challenged or short-sighted.
    This is classical risk theory - known as Under and Over.
    It was modified thusly:

    (Pl)under and (move) over (there)

    The trick is in the timing.

    R

  5. On 15 Mar 2007 09:57:02 -0700, "RicodJour" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Nev Shea said:

    "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote innews:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Fortress went public two weeks ago and doubled in price on the first
    day. But what investors may not realize is that the five principals
    pretty much stripped the company clean just before the IPO.

    Quoted message said:

    Total withdrawn in the two years before they took it public: $1.9
    billion. Most of that was in the final few months.

    Don't worry -- they had to do that to get ready to move the company to it's
    new HQ in Dubai; you can find them in some suites next to Halliburton.

    NS
    wall street insider

    You people are either mathematically challenged or short-sighted.
    This is classical risk theory - known as Under and Over.
    It was modified thusly:

    (Pl)under and (move) over (there)

    The trick is in the timing.

    R

    For the record, it isn't all that easy to prepare an initial public
    offering, not least being all the time you have to spend in the
    company of lawyers. They deserve a bit of compensation, here and
    there, now and again.

    Curtis L. Russell
    Odenton, MD (USA)
    Just someone on two wheels...

  6. On Mar 15, 6:33 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    George Bush refuses to protect you

    I know! I had to go outside today and was afraid a big bully would
    beat me up and where was Dubya? Nowhere to be found!

    It's unconstitutional, I tells ya!

  7. In article <[email hidden]>, "MMan"

    Quoted message said:

    On Mar 15, 6:33 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    George Bush refuses to protect you

    I know! I had to go outside today and was afraid a big bully would
    beat me up and where was Dubya? Nowhere to be found!

    It's unconstitutional, I tells ya!

    You're living in a pre-9-11 world. It all changed.

    --
    tanx,
    Howard
    Never take a tenant with a monkey.
    remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

  8. Howard Kveck said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, "MMan"

    Quoted message said:

    On Mar 15, 6:33 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    George Bush refuses to protect you


    I know! I had to go outside today and was afraid a big bully would
    beat me up and where was Dubya? Nowhere to be found!

    It's unconstitutional, I tells ya!

    You're living in a pre-9-11 world. It all changed.

    Nah, he had to adapt to breathing methane, just like the rest of us.

  9. Quoted message said:

    According to finance whiz Kunich,

    Thank you for helpfully pointing out which particular Kunich you were
    speaking of. If you had simply said "Kunich" I wouldn't have known
    whether you were talking about "finance whiz" Kunich or "kick your ass
    if I ever see you" Kunich or "climatologist" Kunich or "my bike is
    better than your bike" Kunich or "kung fu grip" Kunich or "How come no
    one ever talks about bike racing" Kunich or "military strategist" Kunich
    or etc., etc., etc...

    Damn, it must be crowded in there.

  10. Fred Fredburger said:
    Quoted message said:

    According to finance whiz Kunich,

    Thank you for helpfully pointing out which particular Kunich you were
    speaking of. If you had simply said "Kunich" I wouldn't have known
    whether you were talking about "finance whiz" Kunich or "kick your ass
    if I ever see you" Kunich or "climatologist" Kunich or "my bike is
    better than your bike" Kunich or "kung fu grip" Kunich or "How come no
    one ever talks about bike racing" Kunich or "military strategist" Kunich
    or etc., etc., etc...

    Damn, it must be crowded in there.

    He can be all things to all people. Disk is cheap.

    Bob Schwartz

  11. (Howard Kveck) said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, "MMan"

    Quoted message said:

    On Mar 15, 6:33 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    George Bush refuses to protect you

    Quoted message said:

    I know! I had to go outside today and was afraid a big bully would
    beat me up and where was Dubya? Nowhere to be found!

    "The big problem with Sarbanes-Oxley is that even though it makes
    companies disclose facts in their filings, it cannot force people to
    read those filings."

    They can't help you. They just tell "us" they can and tax
    accordingly.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It's unconstitutional, I tells ya!

    You're living in a pre-9-11 world. It all changed.

    It didn't. Maybe you were buried under a rock someplace.

  12. Fred Fredburger said:
    Quoted message said:

    Thank you for helpfully pointing out which particular Kunich you were
    speaking of.

    Bob Schwartz said:

    He can be all things to all people. Disk is cheap.

    And the product implements many interfaces (please tell me it doesn't use
    COM).

  13. In article <[email hidden]>, "SLAVE

    of THE STATE said:
    (Howard Kveck) said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, "MMan"

    Quoted message said:

    On Mar 15, 6:33 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:
    > George Bush refuses to protect you

    Quoted message said:

    I know! I had to go outside today and was afraid a big bully would
    beat me up and where was Dubya? Nowhere to be found!

    "The big problem with Sarbanes-Oxley is that even though it makes
    companies disclose facts in their filings, it cannot force people to
    read those filings."

    They can't help you. They just tell "us" they can and tax
    accordingly.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It's unconstitutional, I tells ya!

    You're living in a pre-9-11 world. It all changed.

    It didn't. Maybe you were buried under a rock someplace.

    I know that some around here would like me to be buried under a rock
    someplace, Greg, but I don't quite know how to explain to you that both
    MMan's post and my reply to it were somewhat broadly painted sarcasm. (Or,
    perhaps in this case, sarchasm [1]?)

    Actually, I was sort of surprised that you didn't take exception to
    TK's recent assertion that "it's up to the government to regulate public
    offerings so that there is really SOME value behind the offering", seen
    here:

    http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/fbf88bd3402885ba?hl

    What's your take on that?

    [1] The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who
    doesn't get it. Heh...

    --
    tanx,
    Howard
    Never take a tenant with a monkey.
    remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

  14. Howard Kveck said:

    I know that some around here would like me to be buried under a rock
    someplace, Greg, but I don't quite know how to explain to you that both
    MMan's post and my reply to it were somewhat broadly painted sarcasm. (Or,
    perhaps in this case, sarchasm [1]?)

    First rbr killed irony, or at least knocked it unconscious and now its
    attempting murder on sarcasm too.

  15. Donald Munro said:
    Howard Kveck said:

    I know that some around here would like me to be buried under a rock
    someplace, Greg, but I don't quite know how to explain to you that both
    MMan's post and my reply to it were somewhat broadly painted sarcasm. (Or,
    perhaps in this case, sarchasm [1]?)

    First rbr killed irony, or at least knocked it unconscious and now its
    attempting murder on sarcasm too.

    So, George Bush refuses to protect irony and sarcasm too. NOW I'm
    getting concerned!

  16. Fred Fredburger said:

    So, George Bush refuses to protect irony and sarcasm too. NOW I'm
    getting concerned!

    Give the poor guy a break (or should it be brake), how can you protect
    something you can't grok. You should be happy he didn't send Irony a
    Guantanamo .

  17. Robert Chung said:
    Quoted message said:

    According to finance whiz Kunich, the dot-com bust was because Clinton
    didn't try to stop investors from dumping cash into lousy IPOs.

    http://www.thestreet.com/_tscrss/funds/investing/10341308.html

    Dumbass,

    Quick! Look over there! The Al Qaeda guy we've had in Guantanamo for, like,
    5 years, who confessed to planning the 9/11 attacks several years ago? Well,
    one week before the 4-year anniversary of the invasion, the White House
    wants you to know he just confessed again! Plus, Saddam Hussein was a very
    bad man.

    He also confessed to taking Paris Hilton's virginity...

  18. Fred Fredburger said:
    Quoted message said:

    According to finance whiz Kunich,

    Thank you for helpfully pointing out which particular Kunich you were
    speaking of. If you had simply said "Kunich" I wouldn't have known
    whether you were talking about "finance whiz" Kunich or "kick your ass
    if I ever see you" Kunich or "climatologist" Kunich or "my bike is
    better than your bike" Kunich or "kung fu grip" Kunich or "How come no
    one ever talks about bike racing" Kunich or "military strategist" Kunich
    or etc., etc., etc...

    Damn, it must be crowded in there.

    According to my wife (a nurse in a clinical pysch unit), the nice thing
    about having multiple personalities is that at some point, you can begin
    to charge them rent for staying in your house with you.

  19. Donald Munro said:
    Howard Kveck said:

    I know that some around here would like me to be buried under a rock
    someplace, Greg, but I don't quite know how to explain to you that both
    MMan's post and my reply to it were somewhat broadly painted sarcasm. (Or,
    perhaps in this case, sarchasm [1]?)

    First rbr killed irony, or at least knocked it unconscious and now its
    attempting murder on sarcasm too.

    Sorry... kuntich commited that crime a long, long time ago.

  20. Howard Kveck said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Joe Cipale <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Robert Chung said:

    [email hidden] wrote:

    >According to finance whiz Kunich, the dot-com bust was because Clinton
    >didn't try to stop investors from dumping cash into lousy IPOs.
    >
    >http://www.thestreet.com/_tscrss/funds/investing/10341308.html

    Dumbass,

    Quick! Look over there! The Al Qaeda guy we've had in Guantanamo for, like,
    5 years, who confessed to planning the 9/11 attacks several years ago?

    Well,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    one week before the 4-year anniversary of the invasion, the White House
    wants you to know he just confessed again! Plus, Saddam Hussein was a very
    bad man.

    He also confessed to taking Paris Hilton's virginity...

    What *didn't* he confess to?


    Firing the US Atorneys.... no wait.. my bad. Britt Hume of Faux News
    just said he did that too.

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