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  1. I'm planing on using a 38 x 25 as my bottom gear this year, hope it's
    enough.
    What I don't like about the Shimano 12-25 cassette is the ratios are
    too narrow at the 25 end.
    12,13,14,15,16,17,19,21,23,25
    The jump between the 17 and 19 is a lot bigger than the 23 and 25 in
    terms of development.
    My idea is to go with
    12,14,15,16,17,18,19,21,23,25
    and I'll still have my 18.

    Anyone see any problem (apart from asthetic) with loosing the 13 in
    favour of the 18?
    (I'm guessing the 13 wouldn't get much of a look in on the descents
    anyway.)

  2. In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    Henry said:

    I'm planing on using a 38 x 25 as my bottom gear this year, hope it's
    enough.
    What I don't like about the Shimano 12-25 cassette is the ratios are
    too narrow at the 25 end.
    12,13,14,15,16,17,19,21,23,25
    The jump between the 17 and 19 is a lot bigger than the 23 and 25 in
    terms of development.
    My idea is to go with
    12,14,15,16,17,18,19,21,23,25
    and I'll still have my 18.

    Anyone see any problem (apart from asthetic) with loosing the 13 in
    favour of the 18?
    (I'm guessing the 13 wouldn't get much of a look in on the descents
    anyway.)

    Get the 13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23-25.
    I use the nine speed 13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23, and like
    it for exactly the reason you project. Of course I have a
    triple chain wheel.

    --
    Michael Press

  3. Quoted message said:

    Get the 13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23-25.
    I use the nine speed 13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23, and like
    it for exactly the reason you project. Of course I have a
    triple chain wheel.

    For the Etape? If you're trying to finish within the time limits, there are
    going to be situations where you're going to want to soft-pedal in a tall
    gear while drafting big guys on gradual descents. I'm not a fan of huge
    gears (I run a compact 50/34 12/27), but I don't think I'd want to sacrifice
    the 12/53 in favor of a 13/53 just to keep an 18t cog. I'd also be concerned
    about possibly running out of gas by the time you hit the bottom of the
    final climb (Alpe d'Huez) and really wishing you had that 27t for at least
    the first kilometer of the climb, where it's pretty steep.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

    "Michael Press" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    Henry said:

    I'm planing on using a 38 x 25 as my bottom gear this year, hope it's
    enough.
    What I don't like about the Shimano 12-25 cassette is the ratios are
    too narrow at the 25 end.
    12,13,14,15,16,17,19,21,23,25
    The jump between the 17 and 19 is a lot bigger than the 23 and 25 in
    terms of development.
    My idea is to go with
    12,14,15,16,17,18,19,21,23,25
    and I'll still have my 18.

    Anyone see any problem (apart from asthetic) with loosing the 13 in
    favour of the 18?
    (I'm guessing the 13 wouldn't get much of a look in on the descents
    anyway.)

    Get the 13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23-25.
    I use the nine speed 13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23, and like
    it for exactly the reason you project. Of course I have a
    triple chain wheel.

    --
    Michael Press

  4. Mike Jacoubowsky said:
    Quoted message said:

    Get the 13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23-25.
    I use the nine speed 13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23, and like
    it for exactly the reason you project. Of course I have a
    triple chain wheel.

    For the Etape? If you're trying to finish within the time limits, there are
    going to be situations where you're going to want to soft-pedal in a tall
    gear while drafting big guys on gradual descents. I'm not a fan of huge
    gears (I run a compact 50/34 12/27), but I don't think I'd want to sacrifice
    the 12/53 in favor of a 13/53 just to keep an 18t cog. I'd also be concerned
    about possibly running out of gas by the time you hit the bottom of the
    final climb (Alpe d'Huez) and really wishing you had that 27t for at least
    the first kilometer of the climb, where it's pretty steep.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

    "Michael Press" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    Henry said:

    I'm planing on using a 38 x 25 as my bottom gear this year, hope it's
    enough.
    What I don't like about the Shimano 12-25 cassette is the ratios are
    too narrow at the 25 end.
    12,13,14,15,16,17,19,21,23,25
    The jump between the 17 and 19 is a lot bigger than the 23 and 25 in
    terms of development.
    My idea is to go with
    12,14,15,16,17,18,19,21,23,25
    and I'll still have my 18.

    Anyone see any problem (apart from asthetic) with loosing the 13 in
    favour of the 18?
    (I'm guessing the 13 wouldn't get much of a look in on the descents
    anyway.)

    Get the 13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23-25.
    I use the nine speed 13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23, and like
    it for exactly the reason you project. Of course I have a
    triple chain wheel.

    --
    Michael Press

    Fair point about the 27; I'll consider it but I didn't have one on the
    '04 Etape and still managed the Puy Mary with a 38 x 25. Wan't much fun
    though.

    The point I was trying to make was: is there any problem dropping the
    13T sprocket at the bottom of the cluster... 12-14-15- etc?

    Maybe I'll just stick with Shimano's standard 12-25 or 12-27 ratios,
    doubt the 13T will get much of a look in though.

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    Henry said:

    Fair point about the 27; I'll consider it but I didn't have one on the
    '04 Etape and still managed the Puy Mary with a 38 x 25. Wan't much fun
    though.

    The point I was trying to make was: is there any problem dropping the
    13T sprocket at the bottom of the cluster... 12-14-15- etc?

    _ Not in my experience. Unless you've got the horsepower to spin
    out a 53x14 on the flat all the gears beyond that are for
    descending and the jump from 12 to 14 is not a problem.
    It's definitely not a problem for the brifters and deraillers.

    _ Booker C. Bense

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  6. Henry said:

    I'm planing on using a 38 x 25 as my bottom gear this year, hope it's
    enough.
    What I don't like about the Shimano 12-25 cassette is the ratios are
    too narrow at the 25 end.
    12,13,14,15,16,17,19,21,23,25
    The jump between the 17 and 19 is a lot bigger than the 23 and 25 in
    terms of development.
    My idea is to go with
    12,14,15,16,17,18,19,21,23,25
    and I'll still have my 18.

    Anyone see any problem (apart from asthetic) with loosing the 13 in
    favour of the 18?
    (I'm guessing the 13 wouldn't get much of a look in on the descents
    anyway.)

    The jump from 12 to 14 may be slightly disjointed due to th eramps not
    lining up too well. But its not much of a concern. It will work fine
    enough without the 13.

    Why hope your 38x25 is low enough? Why not get some very cheap Shimano
    9 speed cassettes and build up a cassette with a lower gear. The best
    way to make sure the shifting is still good is to just replace the last
    cog with a bigger cog. Using cassettes with all loose cogs of course.
    Such as the HG50, HG60, HG70, 105, Tiagra, LX, Deore levels. Not the
    Ultegra or Dura Ace or XT or XTR cassettes with the riveted together
    cogs on aluminum carriers.

    Shimano makes a 13-23 HG70 loose cogset. 13-14-15-16-17-19-21-23-25.
    Replace the 25 with a 28 cog from a 11-32 9 speed cassette. 11-32
    cogsets are as common as bugs. You now have a tightly spaced cogset
    with a bailout gear. Or take a 13-23 cogset,
    13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23 and replace the 23 with a 28 cog. Big jump
    on the last shift, but you won't make it very often and when you make
    it you will stay in that gear for the rest of the way up the mountain.

    Changing the last cog on a cassette is a great way to improve the
    ratios the factory forces upon bicyclists. It has no appreciable
    affect on shifting because you rarely use that last cog.

  7. Henry said:

    I'm planing on using a 38 x 25 as my bottom gear this year, hope it's
    enough.
    What I don't like about the Shimano 12-25 cassette is the ratios are
    too narrow at the 25 end.
    12,13,14,15,16,17,19,21,23,25
    The jump between the 17 and 19 is a lot bigger than the 23 and 25 in
    terms of development.
    My idea is to go with
    12,14,15,16,17,18,19,21,23,25
    and I'll still have my 18.

    IIRC, the stock 12-27 addresses your problem with narrow
    ratios at the 25 end: it's like the 12-25, but has 24,27 instead
    of 23,25. You don't get an 18 but you get to keep the 16.

    I'd always go with taking the extra low gear as insurance,
    but that is just my preference.

    Quoted message said:


    Anyone see any problem (apart from asthetic) with loosing the 13 in
    favour of the 18?
    (I'm guessing the 13 wouldn't get much of a look in on the descents
    anyway.)

  8. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Henry wrote:
    I'm planing on using a 38 x 25 as my bottom gear this year, hope it's
    enough.
    What I don't like about the Shimano 12-25 cassette is the ratios are
    too narrow at the 25 end.
    12,13,14,15,16,17,19,21,23,25
    The jump between the 17 and 19 is a lot bigger than the 23 and 25 in
    terms of development.
    My idea is to go with
    12,14,15,16,17,18,19,21,23,25
    and I'll still have my 18.

    IIRC, the stock 12-27 addresses your problem with narrow
    ratios at the 25 end: it's like the 12-25, but has 24,27 instead
    of 23,25. You don't get an 18 but you get to keep the 16.

    I'd always go with taking the extra low gear as insurance,
    but that is just my preference.

    Quoted message said:


    Anyone see any problem (apart from asthetic) with loosing the 13 in
    favour of the 18?
    (I'm guessing the 13 wouldn't get much of a look in on the descents
    anyway.)

    There's a site
    http://www.roseversand.de/output/controller.aspx?cid=156&detail=2&detail2=279
    that sells individual Shimano sprockets which looks fairly good, if
    anyone else interested in customizing their ratios.

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