You've just demonstrated an amazing capacity to use 1,000 words to say nothing at all. You should run for political office.
Thanks for the compliment, man. Isn't that what we all dreamed of when we were kids? Studies have shown that 42% of kids want to be a train driver and 26.2% want to be a politician when they grow up.
Btw, not to be nitpicky, but more so in the greater interest of humankind, the next time you decide to reply to a long post with one or two sentences, please don't put them at the bottom forcing people to scroll down for ages. Instead, use top posting.
Btw, not to be nitpicky, but more so in the greater interest of humankind, the next time you decide to reply to a long post with one or two sentences, please don't put them at the bottom forcing people to scroll down for ages. Instead, use top posting.
Brilliant, my man! This shall help trolls everywhere to be more efficient in their duties. I shall be sure to pass this tip along indefinitely.
Btw, not to be nitpicky, but more so in the greater interest of humankind, the next time you decide to reply to a long post with one or two sentences, please don't put them at the bottom forcing people to scroll down for ages. Instead, use top posting.
Most people who know how to properly use their newsreaders don't top post, but they don't bottom post either. They insert their responses beneath the point, sentence, question, paragraph, etc. to which their response pertains, while deleting quoted text not being responded to or needed for context. This is interweaving, and reads like a discussion or a recording/printing of a conversation.
The responses are placed beneath the relevant text because, believe it or not, that's how many people are taught to read and write, and is a long established way in a variety of text media, e.g. newspapers.
Gatorabarf was a case of perfect timing and incredible marketing. The reason it shows up at so many races is cost, either very low or donated. Almost every 5k through the marathon that I have run or volunteered serves G. It's not until you get into ultra races that you will get a better composition drink from maltodextrin.
Many people know that Gatorade was invented by the University of Florida for the Florida Gators football team. However, far fewer people know the there was a competing product from in-state rival Florida State. Like VHS vs. Beta, Gatorade was the inferior product,
The beta is still running like a champ after 20 years of use.
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Spoken like the true novice.
taken out of context like an 'ol senile fool. so DF, you're in a Half and it's hot and you've not hydrated in 45 minutes and the only thing ahead is a G-rade table. are you bypassing that swig/swallow?
I've done 20 years of races and I have never been in a race that only served Gbarf.
I've run only one race where they served something other than Gatorade. That was the Wine Country Half Marathon in Nappa CA. They served Cytomax, my favorite sports drink. Usually, with 2 months pre-marathon, I'll shift fluids and actually go out and buy Gatorade so that I can re-train myself to process the stuff. The day after the marathon I'm back to Cytomax. It not only tastes better, but the slow burn of the maltodextrin-base is apparent in my long run performance
I've tried a few other drinks (e.g., PowerAde, Accelerade, and Ultima--which does taste like ass) and I still like Gatorade the best of those. There may well be something I'd like more, but Gatorade is cheap and so I don't see any reason to go looking.
Have you tried Cytomax? I had it once and liked the taste.
I like it. I prefer the Orange or the new Apple Berry flavor.
The main thing with Cytomax is that it is a maltodextrin based drink. This gives you a slower burn over the course of a long run. Compared to something like Gatorade which can give you a sudden lift, but followed by a dip in energy. The advantage Gatorade has is that it is cheap to make, and therefore cheaper to buy. Fructose and sucrose is cheap compared to maltodextrin. If you're going for a short run of 1 to 2 hours you could probably survive OK on Gatorade. But I wouldn't trust it on longer runs. Additionally, on long runs Gatorade upsets my stomach once I'm running for 3 hours or more. Unfortunately, most marathons serve Gatorade, so rather than bring my own Cytomax, I force myself to get used to Gatorade. Usually I start training with it about 2 months before my goal marathon. I get immediately off the stiff after that.
I've run only one race where they served something other than Gatorade. That was the Wine Country Half Marathon in Nappa CA. They served Cytomax, my favorite sports drink. Usually, with 2 months pre-marathon, I'll shift fluids and actually go out and buy Gatorade so that I can re-train myself to process the stuff. The day after the marathon I'm back to Cytomax. It not only tastes better, but the slow burn of the maltodextrin-base is apparent in my long run performance
ever think about carrying two bottles on a belt in a race so you can bring the drink that works for you? or is that too fred for real runners (not sarcasm, i have no idea what real runners think and do)
hh, not about to drink that scary stuff they provide at races
I've run only one race where they served something other than Gatorade. That was the Wine Country Half Marathon in Nappa CA. They served Cytomax, my favorite sports drink. Usually, with 2 months pre-marathon, I'll shift fluids and actually go out and buy Gatorade so that I can re-train myself to process the stuff. The day after the marathon I'm back to Cytomax. It not only tastes better, but the slow burn of the maltodextrin-base is apparent in my long run performance
ever think about carrying two bottles on a belt in a race so you can bring the drink that works for you?
Yes. I've contempated this several times. It has been discussed here often. One idea that I almost tried was to carry my own Cytomax powder and mix it with the water served during the race. However, when push comes to shove I'll go with whatever slime they'll serve at the race in order to avoid the hassle of carrying anything.
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or is that too fred for real runners (not sarcasm, i have no idea what real runners think and do)
I'm not sure what you mean, but if I ever find a real runner, I'll be sure to ask her.
or is that too fred for real runners (not sarcasm, i have no idea what real runners think and do)
I'm not sure what you mean, but if I ever find a real runner, I'll be sure to ask her.
i just mean that every sport seems to have it's own weird little customs and prejudices, but i don't know what they are for running (except that you have to wear those funny short loose shorts that show your butt when you're sprinting for the finish line, anything else is right out!)
but i can see that mixing your own stuff during a race might not be speedy enough, or you might want to concentrate on other things during a race. h
or is that too fred for real runners (not sarcasm, i have no idea what real runners think and do)
I'm not sure what you mean, but if I ever find a real runner, I'll be sure to ask her.
i just mean that every sport seems to have it's own weird little customs and prejudices, but i don't know what they are for running
Yes, I guess there are a few. Some actually make sense. You decide which ones.
Some of these are my own, but most were stolen from CoolRunning.com
Real runners don't...
* wear cotton * wear headphones while running * jog (or real joggers don't run) * wear gizmos (gps, hrm, etc.) * use the porta-potties once the race has started * jog in place at stoplights (they stop, put their hands on their hips and wait if they have to for the cars to go by) * stop to pet dogs * use fuel belts (they stash water in the bushes) * throw their empty gel packets on the ground * worry about sweat stains on their clothes * worry how other people see them * talk on cell phones while running * know what bikers mean by "on your left" * need wheels to propel themselves * get embarassed if they break wind in the starting corrals * think twice about eating 2 double whoppers with cheese, then washing it down with a large diet coke * think it odd to suddenly get up off the couch at 10:30pm and say "I'm going for a run," even if it is the second run of the day * listen to their doctors when told to stop running * wear long running pants when it's over 60 degrees * run with a jacket tied around their waist (when it was never cold enough to need the jacket anyway) * run a 5k on a cool day carrying a 1/2 gallon jug of Gatorade * walk 3 abreast on the inside lanes of the local track * Gallo-walk * stretch for 20 minutes waiting for the local 5 or 10K to start * run with plastic bottles of brand name water * wear old fashioned cotton sweat pants * wear sneakers * talk on a cell phone while running
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I've run only one race where they served something other than Gatorade. That was the Wine Country Half Marathon in Nappa CA. They served Cytomax, my favorite sports drink.
I also use this in training. I'm just mixed two jugs for a training run this morning. One year at the Vermont City Marathon the served Cytomax but with a slight twist, they changed flavors at ever aid station. That sounds like a interesting approach but the apple went over like pungent and loud flatulence in church. People were spitting it out. They went back to GA the next year. I don't know what they serve since I gave up road thons.
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i just mean that every sport seems to have it's own weird little customs and prejudices, but i don't know what they are for running (except that you have to wear those funny short loose shorts that show your butt when you're sprinting for the finish line, anything else is right out!)
Well H, I'll show you mine if you show me yours.
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but i can see that mixing your own stuff during a race might not be speedy enough, or you might want to concentrate on other things during a race.
I don't what a real runner is either but carrying two bottles is heavy so what you gain in drink you lose is heft. I have two bottle belt but only break it out when it's a long time between aid. I did carry Cytomax in little zip lock bags in my last race and it worked out just fine. I don't think it cost me 10 seconds to empty what little fluid remained in the jug, dump the powder and hand it to the volunteer to fill. In trail races this few seconds you may lose are trivial when you consider the benefits of a proper fluid. Besides, while they added the water I grazed the table for food and tossed down a coke or Mountain Dew. Multi-processing of sorts. 😉
Neither Ultra nor Gatorade has protein or aa or other fancy stuff, but Ultra is only about 50% more expensive than Gatorade for same volume. The others with protein or aa are 3.2 to 4.6 times as expensive, and Accelerade seems to use mostly sugar. There's other ingredients that may contribute subtantially to cost, but a lot seems to be driven by protein or aa.
Yes, that's absolutely correct. Protein supplements of any kind are more expensive, specific amino acids even more so.
Bulk maltodextrin is less than $2/lb (see supplementdirect "complex carbs" powder for example). Even cheap bulk whey protein is substantially more expensive than this. Once you go to the more expensive/refined stuff, prices jump rapidly.
The main thing with Cytomax is that it is a maltodextrin based drink. This gives you a slower burn over the course of a long run. Compared to something like Gatorade which can give you a sudden lift, but followed by a dip in energy. The advantage Gatorade has is that it is cheap to make, and therefore cheaper to buy. Fructose and sucrose is cheap compared to maltodextrin. If you're going for a short run of 1 to 2 hours you could probably survive OK on Gatorade. But I wouldn't trust it on longer runs.
Thanks for the info.
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Additionally, on long runs Gatorade upsets my stomach once I'm running for 3 hours or more.
I remember when I ran my marathon a few years ago, I had Gatorade after never having had it before. I ended up throwing up all of it at the end.
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Unfortunately, most marathons serve Gatorade, so rather than bring my own Cytomax, I force myself to get used to Gatorade. Usually I start training with it about 2 months before my goal marathon. I get immediately off the stiff after that.
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At a marathon I was involved in organizing we actually used a liquid concentrate.
Did you make the concentrate or the G folks? Whether it's powder or liquid concentrate there is still the age old problem of it being mixed incorrectly by the aid station folks. It's very common in a race to go from aid to aid and taste a significant difference in potency.
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The concentrate was straight from Gatorade. We mixed it according to the instructions and I was supervising the mixing. No watering it down either! (At least the second year).
Also, your taste changess during exercise as well. What tastes too sweet at the start and taste just right after a couple of hours.
One year we dropped off the concentrate at the aid stations and had them mix it on the spot--no telling what happened then.
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Also, your taste changess during exercise as well. What tastes too sweet at the start and taste just right after a couple of hours.
I find and many others find just the opposite to be true. If it tastes too sweet or too much flavor at the start, in long races it becomes repulsive. Those that make the SUCCEED products(targeted for ultra races) specifically turn down the taste and it has only a hint of flavor. At first it catches you off guard with the light flavor but I'll be a witness, you can drink it for a lot more hours. In addition with a light flavor one can add a flavor and not create some gross combination.
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One year we dropped off the concentrate at the aid stations and had them mix it on the spot--no telling what happened then.
I have no doubt it varied. I think it would make for an interesting experiment to pick a marathon and take a sample at each aid station.
Unrelated but it reminds me of running friend recapping Kardong's Thirty Phone Booths to Boston. Kardong to cover one of the Boston Marathons did the course some day(s) before and located telephones roughly each mile and called them during the race to ask the answerer about the race. This was before cell phones and he was allowed to ride with the press.
normally i would say that you were getting the better part of the deal here as my butt has caused some interesting remarks such as "i've finally seen a white girl with a real butt", etc. but right now that part of me is red and chafed and sore and not very pretty.
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I don't what a real runner is either
i'm supposing here that a real runner is someone who would care about the few minutes (or whatever) lost by not relying utterly on the drinks provided by the r.o. i can't imagine drinking a drink i didn't like in training for a whole month just because that was what they were serving at the next race i was going to- i would just bring my own stuff and not care about the time lost. (but i don't care if phil does it, just describing the opposite point of view so you'll know what i'm talking about)
i usually only bring one bottle, if any, when running, but i've used two when running for more than 2 hours in the summer. i think i would just bring the powder in a race though myself, if i felt i could trust that all the stations would be manned and not just set up with a big container and then abandoned (i've seen this on organized training runs and there's no way i'm drinking from an unattended container) h
i'm supposing here that a real runner is someone who would care about the few minutes (or whatever) lost by not relying utterly on the drinks provided by the r.o. i can't imagine drinking a drink i didn't like in training for a whole month just because that was what they were serving at the next race i was going to
I am not totally repulsed by Gatorade (as others are). So it is something I can get used to. For me, the benefits of using aid stations outweigh the benefits of bringing my own. Runners that gag at the mere thought of gatobarf may lean towards bringing their own concoction.
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- i would just bring my own stuff and not care about the time lost. (but i don't care if phil does it, just describing the opposite point of view so you'll know what i'm talking about)
