Gatorade A Scam?

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I've tried a few other drinks (e.g., PowerAde, Accelerade, and

Ultima--which does taste like ass) and I still like Gatorade the best
of
those.

A comparison taste-test event at your house must be really something to
see....

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My original point still stands: Just because it sells a billion,
doesn't mean that it "must" taste good.

What is your opinion on this?

I know I wasn't asked, but that's never stopped me before (-;

I think Omnipoet makes some really good points. The success of
gatorade, like the success of almost any product, has more to do
with effective business strategy than anything else. Getting to the
market first, and then succesfully making large bulk sales (e.g.
supplying fuel to road races) is key.

I share your opinion that it doesn't have to taste that good, only
"good enough". The group who it is marketed to aren't buying on taste
alone (I bet most sodas would beat gatorade on a taste test)

They don't taste substantially worse than easily available competitor
products (e.g. powerade which tastes just as bad)

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

Charlie (Pubic hair translated from Espanol) fumed:

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Jobs, I dunno why you're putting this question to Lance, when someone so passionate about this sort of question as to make it his life's work is also posting to this thread.

That's right. Global may be an idiot, but it's the troll posts that
deserve all your attention.

Charlie Pendejo said:

j> Does it mean that we can apply that principle in general - do
j> something bad knowingly and then do something good after that
j> so as to assuage the guilty conscience?

Jobs, I dunno why you're putting this question to Lance, when someone
so passionate about this sort of question as to make it his life's work
is also posting to this thread.

Of course I refer to The Vicar.

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Charlie Pendejo said:

j> Does it mean that we can apply that principle in general - do
j> something bad knowingly and then do something good after that
j> so as to assuage the guilty conscience?

Jobs, I dunno why you're putting this question to Lance, when someone
so passionate about this sort of question as to make it his life's work
is also posting to this thread.

Of course I refer to The Vicar.

two wrongs don't make a right but two wrights make an airplane.

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I prefer the bottled gatorade, but I've used both. Note: they are
different. And since powdered is what most water tables use, you have
to get used to it.

It seems to work okay for me. I haven't noticed any significant
difference in taste or benefits from powerade.

Ed

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I've tried a few other drinks (e.g., PowerAde, Accelerade, and
Ultima--which does taste like ass) and I still like Gatorade the best of
those. There may well be something I'd like more, but Gatorade is cheap
and so I don't see any reason to go looking.

Have you tried Cytomax? I had it once and liked the taste.
No idea how much it costs or what it consists of.

jobs

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Spoken like the true novice.

taken out of context like an 'ol senile fool. so DF, you're in a Half
and it's hot and you've not hydrated in 45 minutes and the only thing
ahead is a G-rade table. are you bypassing that swig/swallow?

I've done 20 years of races and I have never been in a race that only
served Gbarf. I have encountered races that serve only water or water
and H2O. To play your strawman game, if the only fluid was Gbarf I would
try to get it down to survive but not likely get too far and bail out.
The HAT run in the spring (50k) does push Gbarf and manage nicely with
just water, S!caps and carbs from the table. In tried a cup just to see
taste buds had recovered and nearly barfed after about 3 ounces.

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DF, we're not talking about theoretical ideals, etc...so please, keep

it in context. Realworld?

Realworld? Do you live on Pluto? As usual, you're talking out your ass
with a make believe straw man. Only a rookie RD would be stupid enough
to only serve a sport drink.

As for senility I think you are the one with mild dementia. You keep
insisting that you beat Donovan when in fact he crosses the line before
you as ther results show. Is this a Pluto race?

-You Uncle Doug

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If I
overthink the issue, it's a tad yucky (FD&C yellow, etc.)

this is my objection to it, it's a big dye vat. i actually like how it
tastes when i'm hot and thirsty.
hh

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should i send you $325 for the session david? actually my shrink says
since i retired my competitiveness is channeled no longer into business
but into my hobby (running). plus, it doesn't take a rocket scientist
to know that anyone who lives in manhattan, by definition, can be one
mean competitive sob. humorous to see you're still affected with how i
ripped you a while ago. let it go pal. methinks it reflects more of
you...than me. move on.

So, Lance, just curious, why do you feel the urge/need/desire
to write something "on topic" after writing off-topic stuff?
Was it because you felt bad that you wrote off-topic stuff?
Are you trying to make up for the bad thing by doing something good?
Does it mean that we can apply that principle in general - do something
bad knowingly and then do something good after that so as to assuage
the guilty conscience?

jobs

Careful, jobs - lance may 'rip you' as he has done to so many here
with his rapier-like wit and intellectual prowess.

cheers,
--
David Hirsh, director
www.absolutelyaccurate.com
Southern Ontario's Summer Race Series!

At a marathon I was involved in organizing we actually used a liquid
concentrate.

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I prefer the bottled gatorade, but I've used both. Note: they are
different. And since powdered is what most water tables use, you have
to get used to it.

It seems to work okay for me. I haven't noticed any significant
difference in taste or benefits from powerade.

Ed

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Careful, jobs - lance may 'rip you' as he has done to so many here
with his rapier-like wit and intellectual prowess.

I don't want to pile-on Lance while is he is staked down naked over the
ant hill but he does try to provoke discussion and is successful. Now,
if he would only lean to do this in a more mature and less
confrontational tone he will achieve the same ends. I often wonder if
his tongue is stiffly in cheek even during his immature outbursts of
"rapier-like wit and intellectual prowess." 😉

-DougF

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At a marathon I was involved in organizing we actually used a liquid
concentrate.

Did you make the concentrate or the G folks? Whether it's powder or
liquid concentrate there is still the age old problem of it being mixed
incorrectly by the aid station folks. It's very common in a race to go
from aid to aid and taste a significant difference in potency.

-DougF

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Doug Freese said:

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At a marathon I was involved in organizing we actually used a liquid
concentrate.

Did you make the concentrate or the G folks? Whether it's powder or
liquid concentrate there is still the age old problem of it being mixed
incorrectly by the aid station folks. It's very common in a race to go
from aid to aid and taste a significant difference in potency.

Unrelated drink-mixing story:

I worked for a organization for many years. We'd run an annual
tournament, and we'd have gatorade, iced tea, lemonade, etc, for the
competitors. The boss--known for the occasional tantrum--always insisted
that other people didn't mix the drinks right, when in fact he made them
weak as hell.

Anyway, one year we show up in the morning to start getting ready, and
someone made the mistake of mixing the drinks. They were fine, and we
probably had about 30 gallons of drink. Then the boss shows up and he
freaks out. He screams "Nobody makes the drinks but me!" and proceeds to
dump them all out on the driveway without even checking them first! Then
he made them up weak as usual.

--Harold Buck

"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson

Charlie Pendejo said:

j> Does it mean that we can apply that principle in general - do
j> something bad knowingly and then do something good after that
j> so as to assuage the guilty conscience?

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Jobs, I dunno why you're putting this question to Lance, when someone
so passionate about this sort of question as to make it his life's work
is also posting to this thread.

If you are referring to trolls, unfortunately, I don't get to see their posts.
But Lance is special. He's not a troll. However, he likes to get
under people's skins. To paraphrase his own words, he likes to
stir things up a bit.

That's fine by me. What I'd like to see is:
he can dish, but can he take it? So far,
the answer is no. Still waiting... Lance...

jobs

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Careful, jobs - lance may 'rip you' as he has done to so many here
with his rapier-like wit and intellectual prowess.

Well, David,

I'm still waiting for Lance to come and rip me apart.
I had to say goodbye to my sleep last night after I read your post.

jobs

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Charlie Pendejo said:

j> Does it mean that we can apply that principle in general - do
j> something bad knowingly and then do something good after that
j> so as to assuage the guilty conscience?

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Jobs, I dunno why you're putting this question to Lance, when someone
so passionate about this sort of question as to make it his life's work
is also posting to this thread.

If you are referring to trolls, unfortunately, I don't get to see their
posts.
But Lance is special. He's not a troll. However, he likes to get
under people's skins. To paraphrase his own words, he likes to
stir things up a bit.

That's fine by me. What I'd like to see is:
he can dish, but can he take it? So far,
the answer is no. Still waiting... Lance...

He has a particular system he follows if someone makes fun
of his err.... shortcomings. The first move is usually the overly
excited posting style.... in which...... he forgoes punctuation and
capital letters in order to...... form one sentence.... comprised of
hundreds of words... and..... emphatic dots.

The next step is that you get referred to as 'pal'. However, if he
chooses to use your real name, or his version of, he will over-use
it while posting, typing sentences such as, "listen donnie, you are
microfocused, donnie, so you better get used to me telling you
that.... donnie."

If it escalates further (i.e, he is told how ridiculous he is), he pulls
out the super-clever, "hey, relax pal... i'm just mixing it up... you
know....", not realizing that it's obvious to anyone that can read
that "mix it up" is synonymous with "trying to insult anyone within
earshot to make myself feel better because I have self-esteem
and center-of-attention issues", to lance.

If the uber-clever, innocent "mix-it-up" ruse doesn't work, then
lance changes tactics completely, proclaiming that he is now
'ready to rip' anyone who dares cross his newsgroup glory,
evoking genuine fear among the denziens of hapless runners
and trolls that occupy the group.

It gets worse though - when lance realizes his previously
described rapier-like wit and intellect *may* not be up to snuff,
the WAVA tables are pulled out to proclaim he is a better
runner, anyway. Somehow. Did someone say megalomania?

Lance has mentioned his lack of a GED when pressed about his
problems. He mentions he is working hard at getting one, and
believes it will help him sort out some of these problems.

cheers,
--
David Hirsh, director
www.absolutelyaccurate.com
Southern Ontario's Summer Race Series!

waiting for exactly what jobs? note jobs key to having fun poked at
you is that you have to state something significant, noteworthy, strike
a chord...etc. i don't recall any words/comments from you in the
context of running...worth parodizing or poking at. a gadfly is a
healthy thing.

and what's this nonsense "can i take it"? look, i can take real
world/real life challengs w/donovan in this running game and openly am.
that's real, this is infotainment, nothing less, nothing more.

do you have a specific question for me? ask away....

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waiting for exactly what jobs?

Aaah, Lance, finally...
Waiting for a response to my original question to you, which was:
--------
So, Lance, just curious, why do you feel the urge/need/desire
to write something "on topic" after writing off-topic stuff?
Was it because you felt bad that you wrote off-topic stuff?
Are you trying to make up for the bad thing by doing something good?
Does it mean that we can apply that principle in general - do something
bad knowingly and then do something good after that so as to assuage
the guilty conscience?
-------

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note jobs key to having fun poked at
you is that you have to state something significant, noteworthy, strike
a chord...etc. i don't recall any words/comments from you in the
context of running...worth parodizing or poking at. a gadfly is a
healthy thing.

Hmmm.. sounds like words of wisdom, but unfortunately they have no
relevance to the matter being discussed. All I asked was a simple
question (see above) which you still haven't answered. I never
asked you implicitly/explicitly to poke fun at me or anyone.

Also, you gotta be careful when you use words like "...in the context
of running..." By doing so, you are implying that you will only react
only if it is in the context of running. But as you might recall from
your original post, the converse of that is exactly what prompted me
to ask my specific question to you.

A red herring is usually not a healthy thing.

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and what's this nonsense "can i take it"? look, i can take real
world/real life challengs w/donovan in this running game and openly am.
that's real, this is infotainment, nothing less, nothing more.

Relax, pal, I'm doing the same. I'm just trying to stir things up a bit.
I issued you a challenge, the outcome of which is a reflector of your
real world characteristics. So, one could say that it is a real world
challenge.

To make it more explicit, infotaining, and provocative: If you are bold
enough to write off topic stuff, are you man enough to let it be as it
is or do you feel the need to weasel your way out of being accused of an
off-topic violation by inserting a line or two of on-topic stuff?

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do you have a specific question for me? ask away....

Once again, I'll just cut and paste the original post wherein lies
embedded my specific questions to you. Now, it's all up to you, Lance.
Can you answer it? Can you prove that you can honestly, yet infotainingly,
answer a simple question? To do so is not simple, but impossible is nothing.

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should i send you $325 for the session david? actually my shrink says
since i retired my competitiveness is channeled no longer into business
but into my hobby (running). plus, it doesn't take a rocket scientist
to know that anyone who lives in manhattan, by definition, can be one
mean competitive sob. humorous to see you're still affected with how i
ripped you a while ago. let it go pal. methinks it reflects more of
you...than me. move on.

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on topic....americans have too much time
http://www.firstinthirst.typepad.com/

So, Lance, just curious, why do you feel the urge/need/desire
to write something "on topic" after writing off-topic stuff?
Was it because you felt bad that you wrote off-topic stuff?
Are you trying to make up for the bad thing by doing something good?
Does it mean that we can apply that principle in general - do something
bad knowingly and then do something good after that so as to assuage
the guilty conscience?

<END ORIGINAL POST>
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jobs

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waiting for exactly what jobs?

Aaah, Lance, finally...
Waiting for a response to my original question to you, which was:
--------
So, Lance, just curious, why do you feel the urge/need/desire
to write something "on topic" after writing off-topic stuff?
Was it because you felt bad that you wrote off-topic stuff?
Are you trying to make up for the bad thing by doing something good?
Does it mean that we can apply that principle in general - do something
bad knowingly and then do something good after that so as to assuage
the guilty conscience?
-------

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note jobs key to having fun poked at
you is that you have to state something significant, noteworthy, strike
a chord...etc. i don't recall any words/comments from you in the
context of running...worth parodizing or poking at. a gadfly is a
healthy thing.

Hmmm.. sounds like words of wisdom, but unfortunately they have no
relevance to the matter being discussed. All I asked was a simple
question (see above) which you still haven't answered. I never
asked you implicitly/explicitly to poke fun at me or anyone.

Also, you gotta be careful when you use words like "...in the context
of running..." By doing so, you are implying that you will only react
only if it is in the context of running. But as you might recall from
your original post, the converse of that is exactly what prompted me
to ask my specific question to you.

A red herring is usually not a healthy thing.

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and what's this nonsense "can i take it"? look, i can take real
world/real life challengs w/donovan in this running game and openly am.
that's real, this is infotainment, nothing less, nothing more.

Relax, pal, I'm doing the same. I'm just trying to stir things up a bit.
I issued you a challenge, the outcome of which is a reflector of your
real world characteristics. So, one could say that it is a real world
challenge.

To make it more explicit, infotaining, and provocative: If you are bold
enough to write off topic stuff, are you man enough to let it be as it
is or do you feel the need to weasel your way out of being accused of an
off-topic violation by inserting a line or two of on-topic stuff?

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do you have a specific question for me? ask away....

Once again, I'll just cut and paste the original post wherein lies
embedded my specific questions to you. Now, it's all up to you, Lance.
Can you answer it? Can you prove that you can honestly, yet infotainingly,
answer a simple question? To do so is not simple, but impossible is nothing.

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should i send you $325 for the session david? actually my shrink says
since i retired my competitiveness is channeled no longer into business
but into my hobby (running). plus, it doesn't take a rocket scientist
to know that anyone who lives in manhattan, by definition, can be one
mean competitive sob. humorous to see you're still affected with how i
ripped you a while ago. let it go pal. methinks it reflects more of
you...than me. move on.

Quoted message said:

on topic....americans have too much time
http://www.firstinthirst.typepad.com/

So, Lance, just curious, why do you feel the urge/need/desire
to write something "on topic" after writing off-topic stuff?
Was it because you felt bad that you wrote off-topic stuff?
Are you trying to make up for the bad thing by doing something good?
Does it mean that we can apply that principle in general - do something
bad knowingly and then do something good after that so as to assuage
the guilty conscience?

<END ORIGINAL POST>
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jobs

You've just demonstrated an amazing capacity to use 1,000 words to say
nothing at all. You should run for political office.