Gas: $3.00, Biking Priceless

Quoted message said:

Please take a look at this great T-shirt for the bicylist in your
family.

http://omnivoreink.com/PricelessTees.html

Full color back: Gas pump with text: Gas: $3.00

Surreal front: Bicyclist with text: Priceless

Only $15.00 inclusive for this double-sided T-shirt!

Will help to spread the word that bikers have more fun and take better
care of the environment!

And will also help line the posters pockets with some nice green.

Ken
--
You never have the wind with you - either it is against you or you're
having a good day. ~Daniel Behrman, The Man Who Loved Bicycles

Homepage: http://kcm-home.tripod.com/

Ken M said:

And will also help line the posters pockets with some nice green.

Ken

Are you suggesting that others who post on the rec.bicycles.*** groups who
operate bicycle shops (and other bicycle oriented places) are doing their
work/sales for no charge/profit? If so, you surely must be jesting :-)

Ken

Ken Pisichko said:

Ken M wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And will also help line the posters pockets with some nice green.

Quoted message said:

Are you suggesting that others who post on the rec.bicycles.***
groups who operate bicycle shops (and other bicycle oriented places)
are doing their work/sales for no charge/profit? If so, you surely
must be jesting :-)

I don't recall Peter or Andy or Sheldon or any others STARTING a thread by
posting something for sale. See the difference?

Bill "not a fine distinction" S.

Sorni said:

Ken Pisichko said:

Ken M wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And will also help line the posters pockets with some nice green.

Quoted message said:

Are you suggesting that others who post on the rec.bicycles.***
groups who operate bicycle shops (and other bicycle oriented places)
are doing their work/sales for no charge/profit? If so, you surely
must be jesting :-)

I don't recall Peter or Andy or Sheldon or any others STARTING a thread by
posting something for sale. See the difference?

Yes. I see that some folks may object to others posting a "note" regarding
some money-making venture. Bad form, perhaps. But then, perhaps not. That
said, it still happens. Something about the "pursuit of happiness" perhaps...

I doubt that the OP will make a fortune or even make a full time living out of
selling those T-shirts.

The fellows you mention are in a full time service business catering to
bicyclists. Thank goodness for them! I have been given some great advice from
several (?) of them. That said, they make money by doing their business. I
hope their friendly contributions and advice are a form of free advertisement
for their exceptional skills and knowledge I would make an argument that their
contributions and free advertisements of their services CONTINUE. They help
the "adventure".

In closing, personally see nothing wrong with advertising a $15 T-shirt
stating that bicycles are better than cars. I won't elaborate on the validity
of the message, but I believe it is quite valid - and should be advertised.
Just my opinion. It is OK that you differ in opinion - differing opinions keep
LIFE progressing.... Remember also that there are nations that have started up
because of a difference of opinion - including the formation of the 13
Colonies (aka The USA) and it's breaking away by force from England. - I
believe it was called "The war of Insurrection" by the folks in England some
200+ years ago. Just an observation ;-)

Ken

Ken Pisichko said:

Sorni said:

Ken Pisichko said:

Ken M wrote:

Quoted message said:

> And will also help line the posters pockets with some nice green.

Quoted message said:

Are you suggesting that others who post on the rec.bicycles.***
groups who operate bicycle shops (and other bicycle oriented places)
are doing their work/sales for no charge/profit? If so, you surely
must be jesting :-)

I don't recall Peter or Andy or Sheldon or any others STARTING a
thread by posting something for sale. See the difference?

Yes. I see that some folks may object to others posting a "note"
regarding some money-making venture. Bad form, perhaps. But then,
perhaps not. That said, it still happens. Something about the
"pursuit of happiness" perhaps...

I doubt that the OP will make a fortune or even make a full time
living out of selling those T-shirts.

The fellows you mention are in a full time service business catering
to bicyclists. Thank goodness for them! I have been given some great
advice from several (?) of them. That said, they make money by doing
their business. I hope their friendly contributions and advice are a
form of free advertisement for their exceptional skills and knowledge
I would make an argument that their contributions and free
advertisements of their services CONTINUE. They help the "adventure".

In closing, personally see nothing wrong with advertising a $15
T-shirt stating that bicycles are better than cars. I won't elaborate
on the validity of the message, but I believe it is quite valid - and
should be advertised. Just my opinion. It is OK that you differ in
opinion - differing opinions keep LIFE progressing....

I was merely commenting on YOUR comment about Ken's comment. (The other
Ken's comment, not your... hey, wait a second. Um..............)

Not that I particularly care, but there is a rec.bicycles./marketplace/
designed for buyers and sellers (AFAIK -- don't read it).

Would your opinion change if the OP starts posting his product(s) for sale
3-4 times a day, every day, for, say, days (or weeks) on end? Where does
entrepreneurship end and spamming begin?

Now, if he were a "regular" in this group, and merely had a little sig link
or something, that would be different I suppose. (However, most would still
not appreciate him /starting threads/ about his products, I'd wager.)

Quoted message said:

Remember also
that there are nations that have started up because of a difference
of opinion - including the formation of the 13 Colonies (aka The USA)
and it's breaking away by force from England. - I believe it was
called "The war of Insurrection" by the folks in England some 200+
years ago. Just an observation ;-)

Put it on a t-shirt and peddle it! ;-)

Bill "not named Ken" S.

Sorni said:

Not that I particularly care, but there is a rec.bicycles./marketplace/
designed for buyers and sellers (AFAIK -- don't read it).

Oh. Perhaps the OP did not know about it. I did not.

Quoted message said:

Would your opinion change if the OP starts posting his product(s) for sale
3-4 times a day, every day, for, say, days (or weeks) on end? Where does
entrepreneurship end and spamming begin?

I merely commented on his one-time (posting).

Quoted message said:

Now, if he were a "regular" in this group, and merely had a little sig link
or something, that would be different I suppose. (However, most would still
not appreciate him /starting threads/ about his products, I'd wager.)

So much for the pursuit of happiness ;-) Bad form is still bad form - in my
opinion.

Take care and enjoy bicycling. I tell my friends i get a "hundred miles per
pound of fat" - and have never been challenged on the thermodynamics of that
statement ;-)

Ken

Sorni said:

Ken Pisichko said:

Sorni said:

Ken Pisichko wrote:

>Ken M wrote:

>>And will also help line the posters pockets with some nice green.

>Are you suggesting that others who post on the rec.bicycles.***
>groups who operate bicycle shops (and other bicycle oriented places)
>are doing their work/sales for no charge/profit? If so, you surely
>must be jesting :-)

I don't recall Peter or Andy or Sheldon or any others STARTING a
thread by posting something for sale. See the difference?

Yes. I see that some folks may object to others posting a "note"
regarding some money-making venture. Bad form, perhaps. But then,
perhaps not. That said, it still happens. Something about the
"pursuit of happiness" perhaps...

I doubt that the OP will make a fortune or even make a full time
living out of selling those T-shirts.

The fellows you mention are in a full time service business catering
to bicyclists. Thank goodness for them! I have been given some great
advice from several (?) of them. That said, they make money by doing
their business. I hope their friendly contributions and advice are a
form of free advertisement for their exceptional skills and knowledge
I would make an argument that their contributions and free
advertisements of their services CONTINUE. They help the "adventure".

In closing, personally see nothing wrong with advertising a $15
T-shirt stating that bicycles are better than cars. I won't elaborate
on the validity of the message, but I believe it is quite valid - and
should be advertised. Just my opinion. It is OK that you differ in
opinion - differing opinions keep LIFE progressing....

I was merely commenting on YOUR comment about Ken's comment. (The other
Ken's comment, not your... hey, wait a second. Um..............)

Not that I particularly care, but there is a rec.bicycles./marketplace/
designed for buyers and sellers (AFAIK -- don't read it).

Would your opinion change if the OP starts posting his product(s) for sale
3-4 times a day, every day, for, say, days (or weeks) on end? Where does
entrepreneurship end and spamming begin?

Now, if he were a "regular" in this group, and merely had a little sig link
or something, that would be different I suppose. (However, most would still
not appreciate him /starting threads/ about his products, I'd wager.)

Quoted message said:

Remember also
that there are nations that have started up because of a difference
of opinion - including the formation of the 13 Colonies (aka The USA)
and it's breaking away by force from England. - I believe it was
called "The war of Insurrection" by the folks in England some 200+
years ago. Just an observation ;-)

Put it on a t-shirt and peddle it! ;-)

Bill "not named Ken" S.

Thanks Bill. Well argued out. Saves me the effort. I agree with all you
said.

Ken
--
You never have the wind with you - either it is against you or you're
having a good day. ~Daniel Behrman, The Man Who Loved Bicycles

Homepage: http://kcm-home.tripod.com/

Sorni said:

Ken Pisichko said:

Sorni said:

Ken Pisichko wrote:

>Ken M wrote:

>>And will also help line the posters pockets with some nice green.

>Are you suggesting that others who post on the rec.bicycles.***
>groups who operate bicycle shops (and other bicycle oriented places)
>are doing their work/sales for no charge/profit? If so, you surely
>must be jesting :-)

I don't recall Peter or Andy or Sheldon or any others STARTING a
thread by posting something for sale. See the difference?

Yes. I see that some folks may object to others posting a "note"
regarding some money-making venture. Bad form, perhaps. But then,
perhaps not. That said, it still happens. Something about the
"pursuit of happiness" perhaps...

I doubt that the OP will make a fortune or even make a full time
living out of selling those T-shirts.

The fellows you mention are in a full time service business catering
to bicyclists. Thank goodness for them! I have been given some great
advice from several (?) of them. That said, they make money by doing
their business. I hope their friendly contributions and advice are a
form of free advertisement for their exceptional skills and knowledge
I would make an argument that their contributions and free
advertisements of their services CONTINUE. They help the "adventure".

In closing, personally see nothing wrong with advertising a $15
T-shirt stating that bicycles are better than cars. I won't elaborate
on the validity of the message, but I believe it is quite valid - and
should be advertised. Just my opinion. It is OK that you differ in
opinion - differing opinions keep LIFE progressing....

I was merely commenting on YOUR comment about Ken's comment. (The other
Ken's comment, not your... hey, wait a second. Um..............)

Not that I particularly care, but there is a rec.bicycles./marketplace/
designed for buyers and sellers (AFAIK -- don't read it).

Would your opinion change if the OP starts posting his product(s) for sale
3-4 times a day, every day, for, say, days (or weeks) on end? Where does
entrepreneurship end and spamming begin?

A good definition of spam, is an off topic message, that is posted for
personal gain. Because Usenet is largely unmoderated, all anyone can
do, is find out who his IP is and launch a complaint. The other option,
is to filter them out.

Personally I use Thunderbird, and have a filter I call plonk, and folks
like the OP simply find themselved plonked.

Now, one posting, once in a while, is okay, as long as you don't have
10,000 people doing it. Personally I find "highracer" and his 1400
aliases much more annoying.

W

In article <[email hidden]>, Ken Pisichko <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I doubt that the OP will make a fortune or even make a full time living out of
selling those T-shirts.

Pretty much the opposite, I would hope. The archives will forever show
omnivoreink.com as spammers.

The Wogster said:

Personally I use Thunderbird, and have a filter I call plonk, and folks
like the OP simply find themselved plonked.

I also use thunderbird, and have a whole list of "sender is" email
addresses in there, along with some keywords like
"highracer,hrs,jimmymac" etc, etc, etc.

Quoted message said:

Now, one posting, once in a while, is okay, as long as you don't have
10,000 people doing it. Personally I find "highracer" and his 1400
aliases much more annoying.

highracer seems to be off pouting about his blog being shutdown.

Ken
--
You never have the wind with you - either it is against you or you're
having a good day. ~Daniel Behrman, The Man Who Loved Bicycles

Homepage: http://kcm-home.tripod.com/

I put my URL on a couple of the other Google Bike groups (not this
one), and was a little embarrassed by a similar chain of responses and
"spamming accusations". I only did it once, but I got the message, and
I agree that the Marketplace group should be used for this. So
whenever I have a new product now, I put it there.

I'm curious what others think about making a statement (ie Alternative
Transportation) with your bicycle clothing. Certainly your back is
much larger than a bumper sticker, so it should be a great promotional
venue.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

I'm curious what others think about making a statement (ie Alternative
Transportation) with your bicycle clothing.

Lately I've been enjoying making such a statement by wearing ordinary
street clothing while riding. The statement I hope to make is: "one
doesn't have to change into special cycling togs just to run short
errands on a bike around town." And that's not to diss cycling togs --
I use & appreciate them too, on my longer and more recreational rides[*].

And I like wearing tee shirts in the summer. But summer sure seems
a long way off right now.

Quoted message said:

Certainly your back is
much larger than a bumper sticker, so it should be a great promotional
venue.

I've been known to moon some drivers behind me who get too obnoxious
with their horns. Maybe I should get a tattoo. Or two. Not that
my bum is that much bigger than a bumper sticker either. I've never
thought of it as a promotional venue.

cheers,
Tom

[*] If I can get up early enough tomorrow (and there aren't any
rain-induced landslides along the way,) I think I'll ride up to
Deep Cove for a coffee & donut. They have good donuts up there.

--
-- Nothing is safe from me.
Above address is just a spam midden.
I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca

Quoted message said:

I'm curious what others think about making a statement (ie Alternative
Transportation) with your bicycle clothing. Certainly your back is
much larger than a bumper sticker, so it should be a great promotional
venue.

I think this particular shirt doesn't make much of a statement because
most drivers won't see both (or either) sides and won't get it.

I think the true message is preaching to the choir, bonding with other
transportational cyclists. Also it's not especially clever or well done
so it doesn't make me go for the Visa card, but if it were I might.

--
Check out my bike blog!
http://diabloscott.blogspot.com

[email hidden] wrote:
:> I'm curious what others think about making a statement (ie
:> Alternative Transportation) with your bicycle clothing. Certainly
:> your back is much larger than a bumper sticker, so it should be a
:> great promotional venue.

If you ever watch pro boxing, you'll sometimes see the boxers with some kind
of stupid ad on their backs. Perhaps that's effective in gaining name
recognition.....apparently it must be else why would people pay for it?

Personally, you'll never see me wearing any kind of signage. If I wear a
jersey while riding, it's become 1) I want to be seen, and 2) I want to be
comfortable. Others may feel differently.

Roger Zoul said:

[email hidden] wrote:
:> I'm curious what others think about making a statement (ie
:> Alternative Transportation) with your bicycle clothing. Certainly
:> your back is much larger than a bumper sticker, so it should be a
:> great promotional venue.

If you ever watch pro boxing, you'll sometimes see the boxers with some kind
of stupid ad on their backs. Perhaps that's effective in gaining name
recognition.....apparently it must be else why would people pay for it?

Personally, you'll never see me wearing any kind of signage. If I wear a
jersey while riding, it's become 1) I want to be seen, and 2) I want to be
comfortable. Others may feel differently.

Well how about the woman that tattooed some casino name on her forehead
for a bidder on ebay? INSANE! I think it was "GoldenPalace.com" or
something like that.

Ken
--
You never have the wind with you - either it is against you or you're
having a good day. ~Daniel Behrman, The Man Who Loved Bicycles

Homepage: http://kcm-home.tripod.com/