Garmin GPS 12 advice

In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Rose
<[email hidden]> writes

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Hi All

I have the above (ageing!) GPS and I know one or two others here also use
this model, so I wonder if I could ask the following advice:

I have only recently started to 'use' the GPS in anger as it were but have
noticed one or two possible short comings? After planning a route in MM and
loading it onto the GPS, I've noticed it only allows a maximum of 30
waypoints to be displayed (20 routes each consisting of 30 waypoints). All
well and good but what happens if my planned route contains more than 30
waypoints? I have realised that after waypoint 30 I can use the 'GOTO'
function to waypoint 31 for example, but this has to be done for every
waypoint after number 30. I suppose I could split the route into two
separate routes and store them as Route 1 and Route 2 and follow it that
way, but is there an easier way of doing this that I haven't quite grasped?

I don't think so.

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Also, when out and about and having made the route 'active' in order to
follow it, when I get back home to upload the actual route taken on the day,
in order to compare it to the 'planned' route, I don't seem to be able to
find it. Does the GPS 12 allow me to follow an 'active' route and plot the
actual route taken at the same time (if you get my drift!)?

Regardless of following a route on not the GPS12 (and many others) will
record the track of where it has been if it is setup to do so. Therefore
try downloadin the Track to MM (I don't know if MM call it the track or
something else).

If there is nothing you may have tracking turned off on the GPS. Go to
the map page and move across to the OPT menu, select it and then Track
Setup. If you set Record to Wrap and Method to Auto that should suit in
most cases.

--

Dominic Sexton

Paul Rose said:

Hi All

I have the above (ageing!) GPS and I know one or two others here also use
this model, so I wonder if I could ask the following advice:

I have only recently started to 'use' the GPS in anger as it were but have
noticed one or two possible short comings? After planning a route in MM and
loading it onto the GPS, I've noticed it only allows a maximum of 30
waypoints to be displayed (20 routes each consisting of 30 waypoints). All
well and good but what happens if my planned route contains more than 30
waypoints? I have realised that after waypoint 30 I can use the 'GOTO'
function to waypoint 31 for example, but this has to be done for every
waypoint after number 30. I suppose I could split the route into two
separate routes and store them as Route 1 and Route 2 and follow it that
way, but is there an easier way of doing this that I haven't quite grasped?

No, that's the way to do it. You are limited to 30 waypoints per
route. But with 20 routes that should be plenty to split longer
routes.

Quoted message said:

Also, when out and about and having made the route 'active' in order to
follow it, when I get back home to upload the actual route taken on the day,
in order to compare it to the 'planned' route, I don't seem to be able to
find it. Does the GPS 12 allow me to follow an 'active' route and plot the
actual route taken at the same time (if you get my drift!)?

To record the actual route taken you want to record a track. The
options for this are found on the map page:

Opt > Track Setup >

IIRC the choices are

Record: Fill/Off/Wrap
Method: Auto/Time Interval

In Wrap it fills the memory and then overwrites the oldest points. I
have mine set to fill and time interval at 40 seconds which means that
I can generally forget about the track log on even the longest walks.
Setting it to fill means I don't lose the start of the walk when it is
full and at an interval of 40 seconds per point 1024 points will last
me more than eleven hours.

When you get back you download this track to your PC. I use Ozi so I
can't say exactly where the command is in MM, but it's likely to be
GPS > Download Track.

--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

"Dominic Sexton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Rose
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Hi All

I have the above (ageing!) GPS and I know one or two others here also use
this model, so I wonder if I could ask the following advice:

I have only recently started to 'use' the GPS in anger as it were but

have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

noticed one or two possible short comings? After planning a route in MM

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

loading it onto the GPS, I've noticed it only allows a maximum of 30
waypoints to be displayed (20 routes each consisting of 30 waypoints).

All

Quoted message said:

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well and good but what happens if my planned route contains more than 30
waypoints? I have realised that after waypoint 30 I can use the 'GOTO'
function to waypoint 31 for example, but this has to be done for every
waypoint after number 30. I suppose I could split the route into two
separate routes and store them as Route 1 and Route 2 and follow it that
way, but is there an easier way of doing this that I haven't quite

grasped?

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I don't think so.

Quoted message said:

Also, when out and about and having made the route 'active' in order to
follow it, when I get back home to upload the actual route taken on the

day,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in order to compare it to the 'planned' route, I don't seem to be able to
find it. Does the GPS 12 allow me to follow an 'active' route and plot

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

actual route taken at the same time (if you get my drift!)?

Regardless of following a route on not the GPS12 (and many others) will
record the track of where it has been if it is setup to do so. Therefore
try downloadin the Track to MM (I don't know if MM call it the track or
something else).

If there is nothing you may have tracking turned off on the GPS. Go to
the map page and move across to the OPT menu, select it and then Track
Setup. If you set Record to Wrap and Method to Auto that should suit in
most cases.

--

Dominic Sexton

Hi Dominic

Thanks for your reply. I checked the tracking settings and found it was
indeed set to 'off'. It had been set to Wrap and Auto but I think it must
have reverted back to its default settings somehow because all the other
settings, map datum's etc., had also reverted back to the defaults. I always
leave rechargeable batteries in the unit and I don't think they went flat so
don't know why it reverted back to the defaults etc.

Thanks again for your help. Much appreciated. I'll master this GPS yet :o)
--
Regards, Paul (R)
My Lake District walking site:
www.lakelandwalker.co.uk

"Phil Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Paul Rose said:

Hi All

I have the above (ageing!) GPS and I know one or two others here also use
this model, so I wonder if I could ask the following advice:

I have only recently started to 'use' the GPS in anger as it were but

have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

noticed one or two possible short comings? After planning a route in MM

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

loading it onto the GPS, I've noticed it only allows a maximum of 30
waypoints to be displayed (20 routes each consisting of 30 waypoints).

All

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

well and good but what happens if my planned route contains more than 30
waypoints? I have realised that after waypoint 30 I can use the 'GOTO'
function to waypoint 31 for example, but this has to be done for every
waypoint after number 30. I suppose I could split the route into two
separate routes and store them as Route 1 and Route 2 and follow it that
way, but is there an easier way of doing this that I haven't quite

grasped?

Quoted message said:

No, that's the way to do it. You are limited to 30 waypoints per
route. But with 20 routes that should be plenty to split longer
routes.

Quoted message said:

Also, when out and about and having made the route 'active' in order to
follow it, when I get back home to upload the actual route taken on the

day,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in order to compare it to the 'planned' route, I don't seem to be able to
find it. Does the GPS 12 allow me to follow an 'active' route and plot

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

actual route taken at the same time (if you get my drift!)?

To record the actual route taken you want to record a track. The
options for this are found on the map page:

Opt > Track Setup >

IIRC the choices are

Record: Fill/Off/Wrap
Method: Auto/Time Interval

In Wrap it fills the memory and then overwrites the oldest points. I
have mine set to fill and time interval at 40 seconds which means that
I can generally forget about the track log on even the longest walks.
Setting it to fill means I don't lose the start of the walk when it is
full and at an interval of 40 seconds per point 1024 points will last
me more than eleven hours.

When you get back you download this track to your PC. I use Ozi so I
can't say exactly where the command is in MM, but it's likely to be
GPS > Download Track.

Hi Phil,

Thanks for your reply. As explained in my reply to Dominic, my settings had
reverted back to the default settings somehow. However, I also intend using
the GPS for cycling and I was wondering whether I would have to alter any
settings on the GPS for this. Reading your reply I think this may be the
Auto/Time Interval settings? I have just checked the track setup again and
found the Time Interval is set to 30 seconds. A setting of 40 seconds would,
as you say, give around 11.37 hours. The default settings are Wrap/Auto and,
as Dominic stated, these would probably be ok in most circumstances.

However, taking into account that I will be using the GPS for both walking
and cycling, I would imagine the setting of 30 or 40 seconds would be too
often bearing in mind the higher travelling speeds involved when cycling?
Does anyone have any recommendations as to what settings would be best for
each? I wouldn't want to lose any part of the walk so I suppose the 'Fill'
option would be better but then if its a long walk/ride I'd miss the end?
Mind you, 11 hours should be plenty but this would obviously reduce if I
increased the time interval for cycling. So, I would imagine having the
method set to 'Time Interval' may be the better option?

Thanks again for your advice. Much appreciated. :o)

--
Regards, Paul (R)
My Lake District walking site:
www.lakelandwalker.co.uk

Paul Rose said:

However, taking into account that I will be using the GPS for both walking
and cycling, I would imagine the setting of 30 or 40 seconds would be too
often bearing in mind the higher travelling speeds involved when cycling?

Actually, the faster you travel the more often you want time based
track points.

Quoted message said:

Does anyone have any recommendations as to what settings would be best for
each? I wouldn't want to lose any part of the walk so I suppose the 'Fill'
option would be better but then if its a long walk/ride I'd miss the end?
Mind you, 11 hours should be plenty but this would obviously reduce if I
increased the time interval for cycling. So, I would imagine having the
method set to 'Time Interval' may be the better option?

I think in view of your mixed use it would be best to stick to Fill
and Auto. The thing is with track points based a fixed time interval
you will lose detail. You will possibly change direction in between
points and lose that corner. When walking it doesn't matter too much
as important things like summits are places you tend to stop at for
more than the time difference between one point and the next. If you
are on the bike you can go a hell of a way in 30 or 40 seconds.

The automatic method uses an alogorithm that does something like
predicting where the GPS will be and if it finds it isn't it will
place a trackpoint and start the prediction again. So it uses less
points when you are going at a steady speed in a straightish line but
more if you are continually changing speed and direction. I've used
auto when logging my track when driving and it lasts about five hours
before filling the memory. I'd suggest a suck it and see method to see
if Fill Auto works for your rides; do a middling length ride and see
how much memory is used.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Paul,
Not sure about your model of GPS, which I think is quite old in
technological terms. With my Garmin, you would have to split the route into
2 sections if you ran out of storage for one route. A pain I know, but it
seems that yours is an old model.
As to the tracks recording; my Venture has the option to start recording at
the start of the day. when I finish I stop recording and when I get home I
download onto MM my tracks. I have the problem that I download an "Active
Log" and a track at the same time. I simply delete the track and use the log
for all purposes.
I suspect that the major problem is that your GPS is not new enough to allow
you to carry out the functions that are now available to you.

"Paul Rose" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi All

I have the above (ageing!) GPS and I know one or two others here also use
this model, so I wonder if I could ask the following advice:

I have only recently started to 'use' the GPS in anger as it were but have
noticed one or two possible short comings? After planning a route in MM
and
loading it onto the GPS, I've noticed it only allows a maximum of 30
waypoints to be displayed (20 routes each consisting of 30 waypoints). All
well and good but what happens if my planned route contains more than 30
waypoints? I have realised that after waypoint 30 I can use the 'GOTO'
function to waypoint 31 for example, but this has to be done for every
waypoint after number 30. I suppose I could split the route into two
separate routes and store them as Route 1 and Route 2 and follow it that
way, but is there an easier way of doing this that I haven't quite
grasped?
Also, when out and about and having made the route 'active' in order to
follow it, when I get back home to upload the actual route taken on the
day,
in order to compare it to the 'planned' route, I don't seem to be able to
find it. Does the GPS 12 allow me to follow an 'active' route and plot the
actual route taken at the same time (if you get my drift!)?

--
Regards, Paul (R)
My Lake District walking site:
www.lakelandwalker.co.uk

"Phil Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Paul Rose said:

However, taking into account that I will be using the GPS for both

walking

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and cycling, I would imagine the setting of 30 or 40 seconds would be too
often bearing in mind the higher travelling speeds involved when cycling?

Actually, the faster you travel the more often you want time based
track points.

Quoted message said:

Does anyone have any recommendations as to what settings would be best

for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

each? I wouldn't want to lose any part of the walk so I suppose the

'Fill'

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

option would be better but then if its a long walk/ride I'd miss the end?
Mind you, 11 hours should be plenty but this would obviously reduce if I
increased the time interval for cycling. So, I would imagine having the
method set to 'Time Interval' may be the better option?

I think in view of your mixed use it would be best to stick to Fill
and Auto. The thing is with track points based a fixed time interval
you will lose detail. You will possibly change direction in between
points and lose that corner. When walking it doesn't matter too much
as important things like summits are places you tend to stop at for
more than the time difference between one point and the next. If you
are on the bike you can go a hell of a way in 30 or 40 seconds.

The automatic method uses an alogorithm that does something like
predicting where the GPS will be and if it finds it isn't it will
place a trackpoint and start the prediction again. So it uses less
points when you are going at a steady speed in a straightish line but
more if you are continually changing speed and direction. I've used
auto when logging my track when driving and it lasts about five hours
before filling the memory. I'd suggest a suck it and see method to see
if Fill Auto works for your rides; do a middling length ride and see
how much memory is used.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Hi Phil,

Thanks for the explanation...its making sense now ;o) I'll stick to
Fill/Auto and see what happens on a ride and walk. Thanks again, Phil.
--
Regards, Paul (R)
My Lake District walking site:
www.lakelandwalker.co.uk

"The Mad March Hare" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Paul,
Not sure about your model of GPS, which I think is quite old in
technological terms. With my Garmin, you would have to split the route

into

Quoted message said:

2 sections if you ran out of storage for one route. A pain I know, but it
seems that yours is an old model.
As to the tracks recording; my Venture has the option to start recording

at

Quoted message said:

the start of the day. when I finish I stop recording and when I get home I
download onto MM my tracks. I have the problem that I download an "Active
Log" and a track at the same time. I simply delete the track and use the

log

Quoted message said:

for all purposes.
I suspect that the major problem is that your GPS is not new enough to

allow

Quoted message said:

you to carry out the functions that are now available to you.

Thanks for the reply. It does seem I will need to split longer routes into
two separate routes. I think my GPS, although getting on a bit, is still
capable of doing what I want it to. It seems it will allow me to follow an
active route planned on MM whilst plotting a track I actually take whilst
out walking. I hadn't set the GPS up for it to do that, or at least that's
what assume was the problem! I have changed the settings and will see how
things go on my next outing.

--
Regards, Paul (R)
My Lake District walking site:
www.lakelandwalker.co.uk

"Phil Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Paul Rose said:

Hi All

I have the above (ageing!) GPS and I know one or two others here also use
this model, so I wonder if I could ask the following advice:

I have only recently started to 'use' the GPS in anger as it were but

have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

noticed one or two possible short comings? After planning a route in MM

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

loading it onto the GPS, I've noticed it only allows a maximum of 30
waypoints to be displayed (20 routes each consisting of 30 waypoints).

All

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

well and good but what happens if my planned route contains more than 30
waypoints? I have realised that after waypoint 30 I can use the 'GOTO'
function to waypoint 31 for example, but this has to be done for every
waypoint after number 30. I suppose I could split the route into two
separate routes and store them as Route 1 and Route 2 and follow it that
way, but is there an easier way of doing this that I haven't quite

grasped?

Quoted message said:

No, that's the way to do it. You are limited to 30 waypoints per
route. But with 20 routes that should be plenty to split longer
routes.

Quoted message said:

Also, when out and about and having made the route 'active' in order to
follow it, when I get back home to upload the actual route taken on the

day,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in order to compare it to the 'planned' route, I don't seem to be able to
find it. Does the GPS 12 allow me to follow an 'active' route and plot

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

actual route taken at the same time (if you get my drift!)?

To record the actual route taken you want to record a track. The
options for this are found on the map page:

Opt > Track Setup >

IIRC the choices are

Record: Fill/Off/Wrap
Method: Auto/Time Interval

In Wrap it fills the memory and then overwrites the oldest points. I
have mine set to fill and time interval at 40 seconds which means that
I can generally forget about the track log on even the longest walks.
Setting it to fill means I don't lose the start of the walk when it is
full and at an interval of 40 seconds per point 1024 points will last
me more than eleven hours.

When you get back you download this track to your PC. I use Ozi so I
can't say exactly where the command is in MM, but it's likely to be
GPS > Download Track.

Just a quick update really. Went out with the GPS today, a cycle ride
although it did involve a fair bit of walking (keeping on topic!) for one
reason or another, over the North York Moors. The GPS worked fine and
managed to record my route at the same time as following an 'active' route
which I had planned on the pc / MM etc. Had to split the route in to two
before saving it to the GPS but it worked ok. Settings were Fill/Auto for
the track setup on the GPS so this was obviously the cause of the problem
when it wasn't recording the track before. Thanks everyone for your help.
Much appreciated.
--
Regards, Paul (R)
My Lake District walking site:
www.lakelandwalker.co.uk