Gallbladder probs & Low Carb

nanner said:

Howdy - I won't know anything till tomorrow morning but I just had a
sonogram to find out if I have gallstones.

Anyone ever have gallbladder prolems? Everyone is telling me to stay away
from eating fat and red meat now.

I mainly eat lean meat like chicken breast but I do eat red meat for dinner
about 1x a week sometimes 2. I also eat alot of fat in my diet (which I
started to limit recently to help lose more weight - it worked)

I read that gallstones are made of cholesterol, does anyone know of any
studies, links or info about gallbladder problems & LC?

Thanks

LOW FAT is alleged to be a driver for gallstones ....

http://edietsuk.co.uk/news/article.cfm/article_id,1919

Myth 4 Low carbohydrate diets cause gallbladder disease.
There is now overwhelming scientific evidence that gallstones
(responsible for more than 90% of gallbladder disease) are formed when
fat intake is low. In a study that examined the effects of a diet that
provided 27 grams of fat per day, gallstones developed in 13% of the
participants.

The reason for this is that the gallbladder will not contract unless fat
is taken in. If it doesn't contract, a condition called biliary stasis
develops - and causes the bile salts to crystallise into stones. Our
gallbladders need to be kept active to prevent stone formation.

Everyone is different. It will take some time and experimentation to
find out what works for you! When following a low carbohydrate plan, you
will control the number of grams of carbohydrate you eat and focus on
certain food groups rather than others.

Not all carbohydrate found in food is created equal. Most carbohydrate
is digested by your body and turned into glucose. However, some
carbohydrate can be digested by your body but not turned into glucose,
and some carbohydrate is not digestible at all (such as fibre, which is
eventually excreted by your body). These last two types of carbohydrate
don't have an impact on your blood-sugar levels.

Understanding the different behaviours of carbohydrate in your body can
help you make smart food choices. This will, in turn, make sticking to
your low carbohydrate plan easier and more enjoyable.

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Quoted message said:

Howdy - I won't know anything till tomorrow morning but I just had a
sonogram to find out if I have gallstones.

Anyone ever have gallbladder prolems? Everyone is telling me to stay away
from eating fat and red meat now.

I mainly eat lean meat like chicken breast but I do eat red meat for
dinner about 1x a week sometimes 2. I also eat alot of fat in my diet
(which I started to limit recently to help lose more weight - it worked)

I read that gallstones are made of cholesterol, does anyone know of any
studies, links or info about gallbladder problems & LC?

Thanks

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nanner said:

Howdy - I won't know anything till tomorrow morning but I just had a
sonogram to find out if I have gallstones.

Anyone ever have gallbladder prolems? Everyone is telling me to stay away
from eating fat and red meat now.

I mainly eat lean meat like chicken breast but I do eat red meat for
dinner about 1x a week sometimes 2. I also eat alot of fat in my diet
(which I started to limit recently to help lose more weight - it worked)

I read that gallstones are made of cholesterol, does anyone know of any
studies, links or info about gallbladder problems & LC?

Thanks

LOW FAT is alleged to be a driver for gallstones ....

http://edietsuk.co.uk/news/article.cfm/article_id,1919

Myth 4 Low carbohydrate diets cause gallbladder disease.
There is now overwhelming scientific evidence that gallstones (responsible
for more than 90% of gallbladder disease) are formed when fat intake is
low. In a study that examined the effects of a diet that provided 27 grams
of fat per day, gallstones developed in 13% of the participants.

The reason for this is that the gallbladder will not contract unless fat
is taken in. If it doesn't contract, a condition called biliary stasis
develops - and causes the bile salts to crystallise into stones. Our
gallbladders need to be kept active to prevent stone formation.

Everyone is different. It will take some time and experimentation to find
out what works for you! When following a low carbohydrate plan, you will
control the number of grams of carbohydrate you eat and focus on certain
food groups rather than others.

Not all carbohydrate found in food is created equal. Most carbohydrate is
digested by your body and turned into glucose. However, some carbohydrate
can be digested by your body but not turned into glucose, and some
carbohydrate is not digestible at all (such as fibre, which is eventually
excreted by your body). These last two types of carbohydrate don't have an
impact on your blood-sugar levels.

Understanding the different behaviours of carbohydrate in your body can
help you make smart food choices. This will, in turn, make sticking to
your low carbohydrate plan easier and more enjoyable.

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Guaranteed satisfaction
- courteous money back
- keep bonus gifts

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yes, I saw that but it was the only 1 thing about low-fat causing it. The
other 99% of things I read were the opposite - did you see other stuff
suppoting the lowfat=bad?

On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 20:15:43 -0400, "nanner" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Howdy - I won't know anything till tomorrow morning but I just had a
sonogram to find out if I have gallstones.

Anyone ever have gallbladder prolems? Everyone is telling me to stay away
from eating fat and red meat now.

I haven't had any gallbladder problems since I had mine removed in
1983. I do still have the stones - I keep them in my jewelry chest.

Fat doesn't cause the formation of stones, but the absence of it does.
Mine were caused from being on Optifast (which also caused a kidney
stone). However, once you have stones, eating fat can set off an
attack. Actually, eating anything can do the trick if you have a
blockage. My last meal before the "fatal" attack was dry toast a bit
of rice pudding. Then, I keeled over at the Westwood Playhouse during
"Little Shop of Horrors," and wound up spending the rest of the
evening in the UCLA Medical Center's emergency room.

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I read that gallstones are made of cholesterol, does anyone know of any
studies, links or info about gallbladder problems & LC?

Never read a study about that, but I've read a lot about extreme low
fat eating and the formation of stones - not to mention having every
internist I've ever seen saying the same thing.

Best to get yours taken care of. At least these days you don't wind
up with an 8-inch scar, like I have.

Myra

nanner said:

Howdy - I won't know anything till tomorrow morning but I just had a
sonogram to find out if I have gallstones.

Anyone ever have gallbladder prolems? Everyone is telling me to stay away
from eating fat and red meat now.

I mainly eat lean meat like chicken breast but I do eat red meat for dinner
about 1x a week sometimes 2. I also eat alot of fat in my diet (which I
started to limit recently to help lose more weight - it worked)

I read that gallstones are made of cholesterol, does anyone know of any
studies, links or info about gallbladder problems & LC?

there is more then one kind of gallstone - i had a single large one and
had to avoid all fat (but thankfully not sesame oil which I could use in
small quantities daily)

I ate a lot (LOT) of turkey, white fish and vegetable & took my
supplements - my problem went away. I was lucky

Dragon Mom
been lurking for years; lost most of the weight I needed to lose but
mainly low carb to control my blood sugar

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On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 20:15:43 -0400, "nanner" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Howdy - I won't know anything till tomorrow morning but I just had a
sonogram to find out if I have gallstones.

Anyone ever have gallbladder prolems? Everyone is telling me to stay away
from eating fat and red meat now.

I haven't had any gallbladder problems since I had mine removed in
1983. I do still have the stones - I keep them in my jewelry chest.

Fat doesn't cause the formation of stones, but the absence of it does.
Mine were caused from being on Optifast (which also caused a kidney
stone). However, once you have stones, eating fat can set off an
attack. Actually, eating anything can do the trick if you have a
blockage. My last meal before the "fatal" attack was dry toast a bit
of rice pudding. Then, I keeled over at the Westwood Playhouse during
"Little Shop of Horrors," and wound up spending the rest of the
evening in the UCLA Medical Center's emergency room.

Quoted message said:

I read that gallstones are made of cholesterol, does anyone know of any
studies, links or info about gallbladder problems & LC?

Never read a study about that, but I've read a lot about extreme low
fat eating and the formation of stones - not to mention having every
internist I've ever seen saying the same thing.

Best to get yours taken care of. At least these days you don't wind
up with an 8-inch scar, like I have.

Myra

Well, I still have to wait about 20 minutes before i can call the dr and
start bugging them for results. I can see why I am reading conflicting
things about LF & LC. Thanks for sharing your experience.

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nanner said:

Howdy - I won't know anything till tomorrow morning but I just had a
sonogram to find out if I have gallstones.

Anyone ever have gallbladder prolems? Everyone is telling me to stay away
from eating fat and red meat now.

I mainly eat lean meat like chicken breast but I do eat red meat for
dinner about 1x a week sometimes 2. I also eat alot of fat in my diet
(which I started to limit recently to help lose more weight - it worked)

I read that gallstones are made of cholesterol, does anyone know of any
studies, links or info about gallbladder problems & LC?

there is more then one kind of gallstone - i had a single large one and
had to avoid all fat (but thankfully not sesame oil which I could use in
small quantities daily)

I ate a lot (LOT) of turkey, white fish and vegetable & took my
supplements - my problem went away. I was lucky

Dragon Mom
been lurking for years; lost most of the weight I needed to lose but
mainly low carb to control my blood sugar

Thanks. I am waiting to ge tthe resultf from the sono this morning.

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Quoted message said:

Howdy - I won't know anything till tomorrow morning but I just had a
sonogram to find out if I have gallstones.

Anyone ever have gallbladder prolems? Everyone is telling me to stay away
from eating fat and red meat now.

I mainly eat lean meat like chicken breast but I do eat red meat for
dinner about 1x a week sometimes 2. I also eat alot of fat in my diet
(which I started to limit recently to help lose more weight - it worked)

I read that gallstones are made of cholesterol, does anyone know of any
studies, links or info about gallbladder problems & LC?

Thanks

From all my readings, low carb diets do not lead to gallstones or gall
bladder diseases.

Each human body is a unique design. Foods and lifestyles can have trends,
but overall much of what happens to us is not because of these, but
because of our own personal blueprint. It's natural for us to assume that
anything that happens has a cause that can be changed, but this sometimes
is not the case. I have to watch carbs to shed each unwanted pound while
friends of mine gorge themselves on high carb foods and stay skinny as can
be. Their bodies are obviously different from mine. On the other hand,
I'm as healthy as I can be, while people who live a cleaner lifestyle than
me suffer medical ailments.

Get yourself taken care of, and continue with the low-carb lifestyle. If
you are overweight, you are very likely to find benefits from it.

The dr said it is very common in women in thier 40s who are overweight an
dpregnant. That was me 2 years ago - only younger (2 out of 3 I guess) So -
she said while I was overweight my gallbladder was big (enlarged? dunno )
and the stones could move about freely and didn't bother me. Then I lost the
weight quickly and when my gallbladder shrunk the stones became a problem.

I do still want to lose weight but I guess I will just maintain for awhile.
I am about 140lbs now and in a sz 6. Can't complain too much about that but
I wanted to have less body fat and more muscle by the swimsuit season :o)

I had a sono yesterday, I am going to get the results this morning -
hopefully.

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Quoted message said:

Howdy - I won't know anything till tomorrow morning but I just had a
sonogram to find out if I have gallstones.

Anyone ever have gallbladder prolems? Everyone is telling me to stay away
from eating fat and red meat now.

My Dad developed gallstones after eating low fat for 6 months. After
dropping 20 lbs, he tried to resume "normal" eating. He found he couldn't
eat anything fatty without getting stomach cramps. His Doctor also
recommended staying away from the fats.

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I mainly eat lean meat like chicken breast but I do eat red meat for

dinner

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about 1x a week sometimes 2. I also eat alot of fat in my diet (which I
started to limit recently to help lose more weight - it worked)

I have read that cutting out all the fat can cause gallstone formation.
Apparently the bile dries up and forms plugs. The article said that the best
way to prevent gallstone formation was to eat some amount of fats regularly.

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I read that gallstones are made of cholesterol, does anyone know of any
studies, links or info about gallbladder problems & LC?

My Dad said that he was scheduled to get his gall bladder removed, when
a friend suggested he try a liver/gall bladder flush. It involves drinking
juices for a day, and then some epsom salts, and then I believe a 1/2 cup of
olive oil. You'll have to look it up, because I'm just telling you what I
remember hearing. The epsom salts are suppose to relax the smooth muscles
and then of course the large amount of oil stimulates the gall bladder. He's
feeling fine now and still has his gall bladder. This seems to be something
that was done long ago as a cure, but I've never heard of it before my Dad
told me about it.
I have no clue as to whether this works or not. My Dad says it does, and
swears by it. There are some sites on the net about liver, or gall bladder
flushing, but it's something that regular Doctors don't seem to be
recommending. They seem to be wanting to remove the gall bladder.

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Thanks

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The dr said it is very common in women in thier 40s who are overweight an
dpregnant. That was me 2 years ago - only younger (2 out of 3 I guess)
So - she said while I was overweight my gallbladder was big (enlarged?
dunno ) and the stones could move about freely and didn't bother me. Then
I lost the weight quickly and when my gallbladder shrunk the stones became
a problem.

I do still want to lose weight but I guess I will just maintain for
awhile. I am about 140lbs now and in a sz 6. Can't complain too much about
that but I wanted to have less body fat and more muscle by the swimsuit
season :o)

I had a sono yesterday, I am going to get the results this morning -
hopefully.

I hope the news you get is good! Swimsuit season is nearly upon us!

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told me about it.
I have no clue as to whether this works or not. My Dad says it does,

and

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swears by it. There are some sites on the net about liver, or gall bladder
flushing, but it's something that regular Doctors don't seem to be
recommending. They seem to be wanting to remove the gall bladder.

If it does work it's probably more likely with one or several small stones
than with one large one. DH had one really huge one. They took out his
gallbladder and he has 4 tiny scars.

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Tom G wrote:
:: Dad told me about it. I have no clue as to whether this works or
:: not. My Dad says it does, and swears by it. There are some sites on
:: the net about liver, or gall bladder flushing, but it's something
:: that regular Doctors don't seem to be recommending. They seem to be
:: wanting to remove the gall bladder.

They can't make many recommending a flush, whereas a removal of the gall
bladders keeps the paychecks coming...

Doesn't seem as if one has much to lose by trying the flush, those I tend to
be distrustful of such things...

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Tom G wrote:
:: Dad told me about it. I have no clue as to whether this works or
:: not. My Dad says it does, and swears by it. There are some sites on
:: the net about liver, or gall bladder flushing, but it's something
:: that regular Doctors don't seem to be recommending. They seem to be
:: wanting to remove the gall bladder.

They can't make many recommending a flush, whereas a removal of the gall
bladders keeps the paychecks coming...

They may not recommend it for numerous (unknown to me) reasons. Perhaps
there is a risk of doing damage that would require emergency surgery, like a
total blockage of a large stone being dislodged, and then getting stuck at a
constriction of the duct.

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Doesn't seem as if one has much to lose by trying the flush, those I tend

to

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be distrustful of such things...

I haven't tried it, and I tend to think as you do, that most "natural"
cures are bogus. It's more likely that it does flush out blockages, but
doesn't cure the cause. Most of the websites say that the flush should be
done once to 3 times a year for maintenance. So maybe the blockages are
caused by disease, and the flush is just curing the symptoms. Or maybe
blockages are not all that uncommon as age progresses. I don't really know.
My Dad was quite uncomfortable for a good many months. He had asked me if
I knew anything about gall stones, as his Doctor told him he possibly had
some. From what I read, low fat diets can often be a trigger. It seems that
when the bile is not used, it dries up and can cause a blockage.
One of the things I read, was in a forum, such as this one, where a woman
claimed that a group of her and her friends went on low fat diets and lost a
lot of weight. A couple of them also had to get their gall bladders removed.
I believe there is a link. My Dad was also doing low fat. Nanner said she
was doing low fat recently too, to drop the last few lbs. This discussion
came up several months ago as well. Low fat was also suspected then.
There are different types of stones as well. Some are calcified, like a
kidney stone, and may not be caused by inactivity of bile. I don't think a
liver flush is recommended for this type. Surgery is probably the best
method for that.
An x-ray didn't show anything, but the symptoms of pain on his right side
after eating fatty foods, kept pointing to gall bladder problems. The Doc
told him that he may have to get it removed, and in fact had scheduled him
for surgery. It's been 3 months since doing the flush, and he says he feels
great. He has no problems eating hamburgers anymore.
There doesn't appear to be any straight answers out there. It is just as
controversial as lo-carb diets being the best way to eat.

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told me about it.
I have no clue as to whether this works or not. My Dad says it does,

and

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swears by it. There are some sites on the net about liver, or gall

bladder

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flushing, but it's something that regular Doctors don't seem to be
recommending. They seem to be wanting to remove the gall bladder.

If it does work it's probably more likely with one or several small stones
than with one large one. DH had one really huge one. They took out his
gallbladder and he has 4 tiny scars.

I really can't say one way or the other whether it is a good idea. I've
never been one for believing such things as; soft laser therapy, magnetism,
colon flushing, etc. It seems plausible to me though, that if the bile is
dried out temporarily, then a flush could fix that. If the blockages are due
to calcium deposits or disease, then this wouldn't be a cure. It would be a
shame if some gall bladders are being removed for no good reason.

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There is a definite correlation between losing weight on a low-fat diet and
gallstones. I couldn't find anything specific to low-carb, but here are a
couple of sites that talk about very low calorie dieting and gallbladder
problems. Very low calorie diets are by definition low-fat.

http://my.webmd.com/content/article/46/2731_1665

http://www.annecollins.com/diet-news/gallstones-low-cal-diet.htm

Tom G said:

My Dad developed gallstones after eating low fat for 6 months. After
dropping 20 lbs, he tried to resume "normal" eating. He found he couldn't
eat anything fatty without getting stomach cramps. His Doctor also
recommended staying away from the fats.

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Bev