Gaelic pronounciation

Munro Magic have the correct pronunciation for each munro. Might not
help your gaelic but will help with hill names.

www.munromagic.com

anthony kavanagh said:

I'm a bit ashamed of myself because in spite of the fact I've done over two
thirds of the Munros I still cannot pronounce the names to my satisfaction.
It's my failing but I can't make any sense of the phonetic aides in the
guide books either.

If you're not averse to Flash the pronounciation of the name is a
feature of the pages at http://www.munromagic.com/
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anthony kavanagh said:

I'm a bit ashamed of myself because in spite of the fact I've done over
two
thirds of the Munros I still cannot pronounce the names to my
satisfaction.
It's my failing but I can't make any sense of the phonetic aides in the
guide books either.

If you're not averse to Flash the pronounciation of the name is a
feature of the pages at http://www.munromagic.com/
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks

A good site, although a (native) Gaelic-speaking friend of mine did
criticise some of the pronunciations.

Pat Macguire

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anthony kavanagh said:

I'm a bit ashamed of myself because in spite of the fact I've done over
two
thirds of the Munros I still cannot pronounce the names to my
satisfaction.
It's my failing but I can't make any sense of the phonetic aides in the
guide books either.

If you're not averse to Flash the pronounciation of the name is a
feature of the pages at http://www.munromagic.com/
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks

A good site, although a (native) Gaelic-speaking friend of mine did
criticise some of the pronunciations.

Pat Macguire

Ah but you start getting into arguments about Skye Gaelic versus Lewis
Gaelic etc. and some of the local variations are quite noticeable.

Just remember that An Teallach is pronounced like Ann Teelack, Ladhar
Bheinn like Ladder Bin and you'll be fine. As for Sgurr nan
Ceathreamhnan - just make it up.

druidh

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As for Sgurr nan
Ceathreamhnan - just make it up.

Sugar and a cream tea?

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anthony kavanagh wrote:

>I'm a bit ashamed of myself because in spite of the fact I've done
>over two
>thirds of the Munros I still cannot pronounce the names to my
>satisfaction.
>It's my failing but I can't make any sense of the phonetic aides in the
>guide books either.

If you're not averse to Flash the pronounciation of the name is a
feature of the pages at http://www.munromagic.com/
-- Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks

A good site, although a (native) Gaelic-speaking friend of mine
did criticise some of the pronunciations.
Pat Macguire

Ah but you start getting into arguments about Skye Gaelic versus Lewis
Gaelic etc. and some of the local variations are quite noticeable.

Just remember that An Teallach is pronounced like Ann Teelack, Ladhar
Bheinn like Ladder Bin and you'll be fine. As for Sgurr nan
Ceathreamhnan - just make it up.

Skurr nan creamcake

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Martin Richardson
272/284 Munros - 4% to go 34/34 'Furths'- 0% to go
56/89 Donalds - 37% to go 494/1554 Marilyns - 68% to go
376/525 Hewitts - 28% to go (E=178/178; W=137/137; I=61/211)

anthony kavanagh said:

I'm a bit ashamed of myself because in spite of the fact I've done over two
thirds of the Munros I still cannot pronounce the names to my satisfaction.
It's my failing but I can't make any sense of the phonetic aides in the
guide books either. I've looked,
and asked, for audio tapes or CDs in places like Nevisport in Fort William
but without any success, Any ideas please?

To really pronounce anything like properly in a foreign language I think
you probably need to get fully used to the component sounds. My initial
attempts at pronouncing Dutch sounds like the ui diphthong were, I have
it on good authority, nowhere near, but I couldn't tell what I was doing
wrong. The problem was that sound doesn't exist in English so I wasn't
used to sounding it. I wouldn't be at all surprised if most of the
"correct" pronunciations of Gaelic names going around are actually at
least slightly anglicised to fit an English language sound palette.
Executive summary: learn Gaelic to do it properly or (my solution) don't
worry that much.

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:59:36 +0000, Peter Clinch <[email hidden]>
wrote:

|anthony kavanagh wrote:
|> I'm a bit ashamed of myself because in spite of the fact I've done over two
|> thirds of the Munros I still cannot pronounce the names to my satisfaction.
|> It's my failing but I can't make any sense of the phonetic aides in the
|> guide books either. I've looked,
|> and asked, for audio tapes or CDs in places like Nevisport in Fort William
|> but without any success, Any ideas please?
|
|To really pronounce anything like properly in a foreign language I think
|you probably need to get fully used to the component sounds. My initial
|attempts at pronouncing Dutch sounds like the ui diphthong were, I have
|it on good authority, nowhere near, but I couldn't tell what I was doing
|wrong. The problem was that sound doesn't exist in English so I wasn't
|used to sounding it. I wouldn't be at all surprised if most of the
|"correct" pronunciations of Gaelic names going around are actually at
|least slightly anglicised to fit an English language sound palette.
|Executive summary: learn Gaelic to do it properly or (my solution) don't
|worry that much.

The problem is that native English speakers do not understand that there
are such things as "component" sounds. I say "bath" with a short "a"
others say "barth" with a long "a". Still less do they associate letters
with sounds, The classic example is that "fish" could be spelled "ghoti"
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Dave Fawthrop said:

The problem is that native English speakers do not understand that there
are such things as "component" sounds. I say "bath" with a short "a"
others say "barth" with a long "a". Still less do they associate letters
with sounds

I don't think that's a fair generalisation. At school I was taught to
tackle words I'd not come across by "sounding them out", and my sister
in her job as a primary teacher will asks pupils looking for a spelling
to try themselves first by building up from sounds. Neither of those
will work at all if you can't associate sounds with letters, or groups
of letters.

But ask a Dutchman and an Englishman how to pronounce boom and you'll
get two different answers because the sound groups work differently.
That's not a problem because the same sound is in the palette, but ask
an Englishman to have a go at huis and he'll probably miss. Ask him to
repeat it after a Dutchman and he'll /still/ probably miss quite a few
times. Took me /a long time/ to say that word where Roos felt I was
getting a good approximation of what it's meant to sound like, I just
wasn't familiar with how to make the sound. Roos has some problems with
English words, even though she speaks English very well. Typically she
just can't tell any obvious difference between words with sounds I can
differentiate easily, because those sounds aren't there in Dutch.

Pete.
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On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:34:10 +0000, Peter Clinch <[email hidden]>
wrote:

|I don't think that's a fair generalisation. At school I was taught to
|tackle words I'd not come across by "sounding them out",

The child who does not suss out that this system only works for *some*
words is exceptionally dull, or speaks a very strange version of English.
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On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:34:10 +0000, Peter Clinch <[email hidden]>
wrote:

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|I don't think that's a fair generalisation. At school I was taught to
|tackle words I'd not come across by "sounding them out",

The child who does not suss out that this system only works for *some*
words is exceptionally dull, or speaks a very strange version of English.

Nonetheless, that it works for many is a pretty sure indication that
sounds and letters share a good degree of correlation.

That said...

The was a young lady from Slough
Who came down with a very bad cough
She wasn't to know
it would last until now
I do hope the girl will pull through

Pete.
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Fran said:

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As for Sgurr nan
Ceathreamhnan - just make it up.

Sugar and a cream tea?

It is usually Chrysanthemum but that is almost as hard to spell as the
real name :-)
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druidh said:

An Teallach

Ann Chellack

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Ladhar Bheinn

Lar Venn

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Sgurr nan Ceathreamhnan

Skur nan Kerevan

Easy really

;-)

Chris

Chris Gilbert said:

druidh wrote:

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Quoted message said:

An Teallach

Quoted message said:

Ann Chellack

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Easy really

And also quite wrong... The trailing ch sound is a soft one, not a hard
ck. As Iain Banks laments in "Raw Spirit", the word Scots use for
"lake" does *not* sound the same as "lock". It can't be spelled
phonetically in English, because that sound doesn't exist in the English
sound palette.

Pete.
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Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

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On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:34:10 +0000, Peter Clinch <[email hidden]>
wrote:

|I don't think that's a fair generalisation. At school I was taught to
|tackle words I'd not come across by "sounding them out",

The child who does not suss out that this system only works for *some*
words is exceptionally dull, or speaks a very strange version of English.

The Welsh generally speak better English than the English do !

Example "made" and "maid" they pronounced quite differently when spoken
by a Welshman.
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Chris Gilbert said:

druidh wrote:

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Quoted message said:

An Teallach

Quoted message said:

Ann Chellack

Quoted message said:

Easy really

And also quite wrong... The trailing ch sound is a soft one, not a hard
ck. As Iain Banks laments in "Raw Spirit", the word Scots use for "lake"
does *not* sound the same as "lock". It can't be spelled phonetically in
English, because that sound doesn't exist in the English sound palette.

Says Peter Clinck ;-)

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Chris Gilbert said:

druidh said:

An Teallach

Ann Chellack

Noooo

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Ladhar Bheinn

Lar Venn

Hmmm

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Sgurr nan Ceathreamhnan

Skur nan Kerevan

and that one's just SO far from the truth
:-)

druidh

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Chris Gilbert said:

druidh wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

An Teallach

Quoted message said:

Ann Chellack

Quoted message said:

Easy really

And also quite wrong... The trailing ch sound is a soft one, not a hard
ck. As Iain Banks laments in "Raw Spirit", the word Scots use for "lake"
does *not* sound the same as "lock". It can't be spelled phonetically in
English, because that sound doesn't exist in the English sound palette.

It does after a skin full ;-)

druidh

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druidh said:

An Teallach

Ann Chellack

Noooo

Hmmm, well I'll settle for Chyelluck, where the ck is the soft one
Pete was referring to. The emphasis is on the Ch at the beginning,
which in itself is soft and on its way to a 'Sh'. The 'u' is shallow.

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Ladhar Bheinn

Lar Venn

Hmmm

I'll give you an extra 'a' in Lar, then. Laar Venn

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Sgurr nan Ceathreamhnan

Skur nan Kerevan

and that one's just SO far from the truth
:-)

As if, cheeky bogger. And your version is what ..... ?
;-)

Chris