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  1. Gabe (bentnut)

    Quoted message said:

    Just wanted to say that I am pleased that in your last message, you added


    that you wanted me to continue writing this Calfee/Fast Freddy thread.

    Quoted message said:

    Your spelling has improved btw, but the word response has no C in it.

    Quoted message said:

    I will have to check with Cambie about the length of the Recumboni. I was


    told by someone (in the bent industry) who would know and (who posts here) that the Recumboni WAS 6
    inches shorter than a GRR...so for now I will assume you are correct on the length of the Recumboni.

    Quoted message said:

    Wow, Fast Freddy and the other guy have done a (combined) 200,000 miles on


    bents. Not bad, but SOLO I've done a tad over 140,000 bent....so I'm not THAT impressed and you
    folks live in a nice warm climate without snow, ice and minus 20-40 C. wind-chill to ride in. You
    think Fast Freddy could handle 140K in the weather I ride in?

    Quoted message said:

    As for the Calfee coming out as a Non-Track bent for the masses. My


    mistake, I thought someone wrote it was to be sold for track use and designed to be socked.

    Quoted message said:

    As for the Calfee coming out in (different) sizes to suit different


    riders...re: my statement that the bent cannot come in a different size for that fairing to
    work...again I read into this something that was not there...my mistake again.

    Quoted message said:

    I don't have the message you posted to refer to, one of my cats stepped on


    the Delete key while I was doing my 1st reply and your message is gone and so I am winging it trying
    to remember the points you made that I agree/disagree with. Maybe post the message again and I'll
    find a few other points to address.

    Oh Yeah...why my crusade? Well there was no crusade until Fast Freddy offered me the $1,000.00 and
    THEN it became personal.

    As for where are all the people who are supporting what I write....I don't think they want to get
    Hate Letters from Fast Freddy, so they asked me to NOT use their names on this NG. I did however
    receive one Email of support that floored me. It was from a Senior Executive of a large U.S.
    Automaker who said my standing up to Fast Freddy has shown to him that I have balls and he'd like to
    get involved in Marketing my trikes...how nice. Another letter came from a Venture Capitalist and
    the 3rd from a company offering to do machining of parts (free) to keep my trike prices
    low.....since I am doing these trikes as a Non-Profit venture.

    For me this whole Flame War has turned out pretty good....I am not complaining at all.

    My only regret is people who I was under the impression were willing to tolerate me...have turned to
    support Fast Freddy and his $3,000.00 bent venture.

  2. "Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]... .

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Wow, Fast Freddy and the other guy have done a (combined) 200,000 miles


    on

    Quoted message said:

    bents. Not bad, but SOLO I've done a tad over 140,000 bent....so I'm not THAT impressed and you
    folks live in a nice warm climate without snow, ice and minus 20-40 C. wind-chill to ride in. You
    think Fast Freddy could


    handle

    Quoted message said:

    140K in the weather I ride in?

    Gosh Josh you racked up a lot of miles last month. On January 31, 2003 you said you had ridden a
    mere 86,000 miles bent. So that would make February 2003 a 50,000 + mile month for you.

    Quoted message said:

    "Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>... <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    No really...I am a very good cyclist who is approaching a 1/4 million


    miles

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    riding and I'm still alive (my sanity is however in question). Oh


    Yeah...on

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    bents my total distance is a mere 86,000 miles.

    Actually Josh, I think it's your memory that's in question.

    Skip

  3. Quoted message said:

    Gosh Josh you racked up a lot of miles last month. On January 31, 2003


    you

    Quoted message said:

    said you had ridden a mere 86,000 miles bent. So that would make February 2003 a 50,000 + mile
    month for you.

    Quoted message said:

    "Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>... <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    No really...I am a very good cyclist who is approaching a 1/4 million


    miles

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    riding and I'm still alive (my sanity is however in question). Oh


    Yeah...on

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    bents my total distance is a mere 86,000 miles.

    Actually Josh, I think it's your memory that's in question.

    Skip

    In fairness, Skip, Joshua has stated that he's put a lot of miles on mtb's, too.

    Rich

    nearly 900 miles, but who's counting?

  4. I was going to correct that 140K figure but had to take a phone call and just got back on the PC 20
    minutes ago. Actual was 90,000 bent Plus 14,000 on E-Bents and ICE-Bents (104,000). I had the number
    4 in the wrong place....104,000 not 140,000

    "skip" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]... .

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Wow, Fast Freddy and the other guy have done a (combined) 200,000


    miles

    Quoted message said:

    on

    Quoted message said:

    bents. Not bad, but SOLO I've done a tad over 140,000 bent....so I'm not THAT impressed and you
    folks live in a nice warm climate without snow,


    ice

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and minus 20-40 C. wind-chill to ride in. You think Fast Freddy could


    handle

    Quoted message said:

    140K in the weather I ride in?

    Gosh Josh you racked up a lot of miles last month. On January 31, 2003


    you

    Quoted message said:

    said you had ridden a mere 86,000 miles bent. So that would make February 2003 a 50,000 + mile
    month for you.

    Quoted message said:

    "Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>... <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    No really...I am a very good cyclist who is approaching a 1/4 million


    miles

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    riding and I'm still alive (my sanity is however in question). Oh


    Yeah...on

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    bents my total distance is a mere 86,000 miles.

    Actually Josh, I think it's your memory that's in question.

    Skip

  5. "Joshua Goldberg" skrev

    Quoted message said:

    My only regret is people who I was under the impression were willing to tolerate me...have turned
    to support Fast Freddy and his $3,000.00 bent venture.

    Ah the good old "If you're not for us you're against us"-idea? Luckily not everyone thinks (?)
    like Dubya and we are perfectly able to tolerate you while at the same time thinking that bike is
    pretty cool. ;-)

    Regards Mikael

  6. Wheelbases:

    Recumboni: 70" Tour Easy / Gold Rush XL: 70.5" Tour Easy / Gold Rush S: 63"

    One can conclude with a reasonable degree of accuracy that the overall length of an LWB is wheelbase
    + half front wheel diameter + half rear wheel diameter + front tyre sidewall height + rear tyre
    sidewall height, and most bike tyres have the sidewall height as near as makes no odds the same as
    their width. Which suggests an overall length of:

    Recumboni: 93" (front wheel 37-406, rear wheel 47-559) Tour Easy / GRR XL SS: 94" (front wheel
    28-451, rear wheel 28-622)

    The Stiletto (or whatever) is shortened in comparison to an equivalent Tour Easy by virtue of the
    remote steering - compare its fork rake with that of a Tour Easy - but only by a couple of inches
    at most. Some doodling on the photo of the Calfee/Markham machine suggests a wheelbase of ~63",
    which makes a certain amount of sense as Freddy is no giant. I would not care to comment on the
    overall length without knowing the wheel sizes, but I'm sure Gabe can fill in the blanks should he
    so desire.

    Dave Larrington - legslarry.crosswinds.netlegslarry.crosswinds.net
    ===========================================================
    Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter
    bhpc.org.ukbhpc.org.uk
    ===========================================================

  7. "Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]... <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Gabe (bentnut)

    I did however receive one Email of support that floored me. It was from a Senior Executive of a
    large U.S. Automaker who said my standing up to Fast Freddy has shown to him that I have balls and
    he'd like to get involved in Marketing my trikes...how nice.

    Wow Josh this guy must really like your balls.

    Another

    Quoted message said:

    letter came from a Venture Capitalist and the 3rd from a company offering


    to

    Quoted message said:

    do machining of parts (free) to keep my trike prices low.....since I am doing these trikes as a
    Non-Profit venture.

    It really warms my heart to see a Venture Capitalist with an interest in a Non-Profit venture. I
    always thought of all the Capitalist Pigs the Venture Capitalist Pigs were the biggest, fattest, and
    most greedy. Maybe you are mistaken and it really was a Benture Capitalist interested in your bent
    adventure. Anyway, a company that offers to do your machining for free - well they have to be
    special. Maybe they are non-profit too.

    Quoted message said:


    My only regret is people who I was under the impression were willing to tolerate me...have turned
    to support Fast Freddy and his $3,000.00 bent venture.


    Not me man, I love you. Fast Freddy is mean and his bicycle is silly. Hope this makes you
    feel better.

    Skip

  8. What...you don't like the way President G.W.Bush thinks?

    IMO Dubya has done more to improve the Canadian economy that any U.S.President since L.B.J., kind of
    a shame what he's done to the U.S. economy though.
    -----------------------------------------------------
    "Mikael Seierup" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Joshua Goldberg" skrev

    Quoted message said:

    My only regret is people who I was under the impression were willing to tolerate me...have
    turned to support Fast Freddy and his $3,000.00 bent venture.

    Ah the good old "If you're not for us you're against us"-idea? Luckily not everyone thinks (?)
    like Dubya and we are perfectly able to tolerate you while at the same time thinking that bike is
    pretty cool.


    ;-)

    Quoted message said:


    Regards Mikael

  9. Okay If anyone cares to go back and do a search of Google you'll find where my 6 inches info came
    from. I had originally written that the Recumboni was longer and lower than a TE and then a person
    who would know posted the messgae correcting me...saying the Recumboni was lower, but was 6 inches
    shorter than the TE. I don't want to name the person, but his measurement guote is there. Cannot
    remember, but I think he also gave the length difference between the RANS V2 and the Recumboni. The
    time frame was between April and Sept.2002
    -------------------------------------------------------------
    "Dave Larrington" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Wheelbases:

    Recumboni: 70" Tour Easy / Gold Rush XL: 70.5" Tour Easy / Gold Rush S: 63"

    One can conclude with a reasonable degree of accuracy that the overall length of an LWB is
    wheelbase + half front wheel diameter + half rear


    wheel

    Quoted message said:

    diameter + front tyre sidewall height + rear tyre sidewall height, and


    most

    Quoted message said:

    bike tyres have the sidewall height as near as makes no odds the same as their width. Which
    suggests an overall length of:

    Recumboni: 93" (front wheel 37-406, rear wheel 47-559) Tour Easy / GRR XL SS: 94" (front wheel
    28-451, rear wheel 28-622)

    The Stiletto (or whatever) is shortened in comparison to an equivalent


    Tour

    Quoted message said:

    Easy by virtue of the remote steering - compare its fork rake with that of


    a

    Quoted message said:

    Tour Easy - but only by a couple of inches at most. Some doodling on the photo of the
    Calfee/Markham machine suggests a wheelbase of ~63", which makes a certain amount of sense as
    Freddy is no giant. I would not care


    to

    Quoted message said:

    comment on the overall length without knowing the wheel sizes, but I'm


    sure

    Quoted message said:

    Gabe can fill in the blanks should he so desire.

    Dave Larrington - legslarry.crosswinds.netlegslarry.crosswinds.net
    ===========================================================
    Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter
    bhpc.org.ukbhpc.org.uk
    ===========================================================

  10. "Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was going to correct that 140K figure but had to take a phone call and just got back on the PC
    20 minutes ago. Actual was 90,000 bent Plus 14,000 on E-Bents and ICE-Bents (104,000). I


    had

    Quoted message said:

    the number 4 in the wrong place....104,000 not 140,000

    Josh, actually your mistake was so simple I'm amazed you didn't catch it. It doesn't involve ice
    bents, e-bents, or your cats revising your postings while you were on the telephone. You simply
    confused miles and kilometers. 86,000 miles = 140,000 km + or - a few thou. This kind of thing
    happens all the time to those who must constantly do mental factoring of km / miles conversions.
    Could happen to any Canadian. You know with all those miles, over all those years, on so many
    different HPVs, little mistakes like this are just bound to crop up form time to time.

    So there you go dude. You are still ok in my book.

    Skip

  11. I blame my cat fighting with me for more realestate on my keyboard for this...guote = quote and
    messgae = message. She gave up and is snoozing on my Scanner.
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    "Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Okay If anyone cares to go back and do a search of Google you'll find where my


    6

    Quoted message said:

    inches info came from. I had originally written that the Recumboni was longer and lower than a TE
    and then a person who would know posted the messgae correcting me...saying the Recumboni was
    lower, but was 6 inches shorter than the TE. I don't


    want

    Quoted message said:

    to name the person, but his measurement guote is there. Cannot remember, but I think he also gave
    the length difference between


    the

    Quoted message said:

    RANS V2 and the Recumboni. The time frame was between April and Sept.2002
    -------------------------------------------------------------
    "Dave Larrington" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Wheelbases:

    Recumboni: 70" Tour Easy / Gold Rush XL: 70.5" Tour Easy / Gold Rush S: 63"

    One can conclude with a reasonable degree of accuracy that the overall length of an LWB is
    wheelbase + half front wheel diameter + half rear


    wheel

    Quoted message said:

    diameter + front tyre sidewall height + rear tyre sidewall height, and


    most

    Quoted message said:

    bike tyres have the sidewall height as near as makes no odds the same as their width. Which
    suggests an overall length of:

    Recumboni: 93" (front wheel 37-406, rear wheel 47-559) Tour Easy / GRR XL SS: 94" (front wheel
    28-451, rear wheel 28-622)

    The Stiletto (or whatever) is shortened in comparison to an equivalent


    Tour

    Quoted message said:

    Easy by virtue of the remote steering - compare its fork rake with that


    of

    Quoted message said:

    a

    Quoted message said:

    Tour Easy - but only by a couple of inches at most. Some doodling on


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    photo of the Calfee/Markham machine suggests a wheelbase of ~63", which makes a certain amount
    of sense as Freddy is no giant. I would not care


    to

    Quoted message said:

    comment on the overall length without knowing the wheel sizes, but I'm


    sure

    Quoted message said:

    Gabe can fill in the blanks should he so desire.

    Dave Larrington - legslarry.crosswinds.netlegslarry.crosswinds.net
    ===========================================================
    Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter
    bhpc.org.ukbhpc.org.uk
    ===========================================================


  12. Did he just use the words "thinks" and "President G.W.Bush" in the same sentence? Now I *know*
    Joshua has gone mad...

    Dave Larrington - legslarry.crosswinds.netlegslarry.crosswinds.net
    ===========================================================
    Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter
    bhpc.org.ukbhpc.org.uk
    ===========================================================

  13. You are still okay in my book.

    Now you have everyone wondering how much I paid you to write this. *I have been in Canada since
    late 69 and I still have not figured out the Metric thing and luckily the Toronto Police accept
    this conversion ignorance as a valid excuse when I get pulled over for doing 38 mph in a 40 kph
    speed zone.

    *Was remembering last night. I used to belong to a thing called the "Million Mile Club", don't know
    of those Clubs still exist. The idea was members had to log a (minimum) of 400 miles weekly on a
    bicycle in order to stay in the Club. The idea was by age 65-80 a member would reach 1 million miles
    pedaling. For 2 years I went to a Univ. that was 20 miles from my apt., I'd ride to the campus in
    the morning, ride home for lunch and ride back to the campus and ride home after my last class (80
    miles a day) and on weekends I'd ride in a group 100 miles. So for 2 years I logged 72,000 miles.

    Now I ride 16-17 miles per day (about 6,000 miles a year)
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    "skip" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was going to correct that 140K figure but had to take a phone call and just got back on the PC
    20 minutes ago. Actual was 90,000 bent Plus 14,000 on E-Bents and ICE-Bents (104,000). I


    had

    Quoted message said:

    the number 4 in the wrong place....104,000 not 140,000

    Josh, actually your mistake was so simple I'm amazed you didn't catch it. It doesn't involve ice
    bents, e-bents, or your cats revising your postings while you were on the telephone. You simply
    confused miles and


    kilometers.

    Quoted message said:

    86,000 miles = 140,000 km + or - a few thou. This kind of thing happens


    all

    Quoted message said:

    the time to those who must constantly do mental factoring of km / miles conversions. Could happen
    to any Canadian. You know with all those


    miles,

    Quoted message said:

    over all those years, on so many different HPVs, little mistakes like this are just bound to crop
    up form time to time.

    So there you go dude. You are still ok in my book.

    Skip

  14. Joshua said:

    If anyone cares to go back and do a search of Google you'll find where my 6 inches info came from.

    So I did. On the one hand, Bryan Ball stated, on June 24th 2002, "my large size Tour Easy was a good
    4-6 inches longer". On the other, one "JDW" wrote, on January 8th 2002, "The bike is about the same
    length as the XL Stratus". I took my numbers from Cambie's and Easy Racer's web sites, so:

    1. one of the manufacturers is posting incorrect figures, or
    2. one or other of the bikes has changed since last June, or
    3. Bryan's Tour Easy got stretched, or
    4. Bryan made an error when measuring.

    FWIW, RANS say that the XL Stratus has a 70.25" wheelbase, from which one can infer a length of
    ~92.5". The standard Stratus has a 66" wb. The Recumboni is lower than the RANS or Easy Racers
    machines (though a Rotator Pursuit is lower still).

    Dave Larrington - legslarry.crosswinds.netlegslarry.crosswinds.net
    ===========================================================
    Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter
    bhpc.org.ukbhpc.org.uk
    ===========================================================

  15. The Venture Capitalist is cool, he is a big supporter of all things bent, he wants to distribute my
    products for me in the U.S. and he has removed Easy Racers/Calfee off his list of companies he wants
    to know. Thing is, some people here have said they will (never) buy anything I sell and that is fine
    with me, but that might prove somewhat difficult for them unless they also abandon cycling
    altogether...re: some of the products I am the North American distributor for (such as Disc Brakes)
    will be showing up on bents and Mtbs made by other companies....not on Easy Racer/Calfee though, I
    think they'd rather shove a grenade down their pants before dealing with me.

    I am a Virgin to this whole Cycling business area, I've always loved cycling, but (never) thought
    about making a living from it. I had cousins who setup bike shops and I saw those cousins get
    stinkin rich and then their businesses failed and they moved on. I saw that the key reason for their
    failure was they stopped cycling and started driving Jags and Rovers and stopped connecting to other
    cyclists and what their customers needed/wanted. As they got richer they shifted away from quality
    Italian bikes and went for cheap Nishiki, Fuji, Sekine and generic bikes...bigger profit share
    routine to get them better cars and 2nd homes.

    I have NO desire to make $ selling bents and honestly I will shut this venture down IF I start
    making $ from it...I think this is why Fast Freddy and I are on different planets. We both appear
    to be very into cycling, but cycling pays his rent and allows him to offer folks like me $1,000.
    to shut the F**K up when someone rains on his parade. I don't get all twisted and threaten people
    when people run me down...hmmm (unless that running me down involves a car) and then it is Open
    Season on autos.

    I have been taking a Poll of all my friends, asking them IF I come across as someone who is mean and
    nasty the way GABE claims I was towards Fast Freddy.

    Seems my friends never thought to mention to me that I CAN be
    insensitive/mean/nasty/vindictive/warped/morbid/critical/sardonic (not sure what that
    meant)/hateful/disrespectful/cryptic and a few others that makes me look like the Spawn of Satan.

    Geez...remind me to NOT take anymore Polls of my friends.

    I am NOT apologizing (YET) to Fast Freddy for what I wrote ALTHOUGH that $1,000.00 would be nice
    Fred nudge nudge wink wink.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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    "skip" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]... <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Gabe (bentnut)

    I did however receive one Email of support that floored me. It was from a Senior Executive of a
    large U.S.


    Automaker

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    who said my standing up to Fast Freddy has shown to him that I have


    balls

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and he'd like to get involved in Marketing my trikes...how nice.

    Wow Josh this guy must really like your balls.

    Another

    Quoted message said:

    letter came from a Venture Capitalist and the 3rd from a company


    offering

    Quoted message said:

    to

    Quoted message said:

    do machining of parts (free) to keep my trike prices low.....since I am doing these trikes as a
    Non-Profit venture.

    It really warms my heart to see a Venture Capitalist with an interest in a Non-Profit venture. I
    always thought of all the Capitalist Pigs the


    Venture

    Quoted message said:

    Capitalist Pigs were the biggest, fattest, and most greedy. Maybe you are mistaken and it really
    was a Benture Capitalist interested in your bent adventure. Anyway, a company that offers to do
    your machining for free - well they have to be special. Maybe they are non-profit too.

    Quoted message said:


    My only regret is people who I was under the impression were willing to tolerate me...have
    turned to support Fast Freddy and his $3,000.00 bent venture.


    Not me man, I love you. Fast Freddy is mean and his bicycle is silly.


    Hope

    Quoted message said:

    this makes you feel better.

    Skip

  16. SO...you found the 6 inch quote eh

    Hope GABE sees this too. It is nice when I am found to be correct....it has happened so rarely
    as of late.
    --------------------------------------------------------
    "Dave Larrington" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Joshua said:

    If anyone cares to go back and do a search of Google you'll find where my 6 inches info
    came from.

    So I did. On the one hand, Bryan Ball stated, on June 24th 2002, "my


    large

    Quoted message said:

    size Tour Easy was a good 4-6 inches longer". On the other, one "JDW" wrote, on January 8th 2002,
    "The bike is about the same length as the XL Stratus". I took my numbers from Cambie's and Easy
    Racer's web sites, so:

    1. one of the manufacturers is posting incorrect figures, or
    2. one or other of the bikes has changed since last June, or
    3. Bryan's Tour Easy got stretched, or
    4. Bryan made an error when measuring.

    FWIW, RANS say that the XL Stratus has a 70.25" wheelbase, from which one can infer a length of
    ~92.5". The standard Stratus has a 66" wb. The Recumboni is lower than the RANS or Easy Racers
    machines (though a Rotator Pursuit is lower still).

    Dave Larrington - legslarry.crosswinds.netlegslarry.crosswinds.net
    ===========================================================
    Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter
    bhpc.org.ukbhpc.org.uk
    ===========================================================

  17. "Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]... <snip>

    ...I went to a Univ. that was 20 miles from my apt., I'd

    Quoted message said:

    ride to the campus in the morning, ride home for lunch and ride back to


    the

    Quoted message said:

    campus and ride home after my last class (80 miles a day)...

    That's where that 186 IQ of yours must have kicked in. If I had ridden a bicycle for 4 1/2 to 5 1/2
    hours during the school day it would have taken me about 15 years to graduate.

    Skip

  18. What can I say...I was a Republican and I cannot speak poorly of any President while he is still in
    power, especially when Dubya has the ability to reduce Canada to dust if so desires.
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    "Dave Larrington" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Did he just use the words "thinks" and "President G.W.Bush" in the same sentence? Now I *know*
    Joshua has gone mad...

    Dave Larrington - legslarry.crosswinds.netlegslarry.crosswinds.net
    ===========================================================
    Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter
    bhpc.org.ukbhpc.org.uk
    ===========================================================

  19. "Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    Thing is, some people here have said they will (never) buy anything I


    sell....

    You're non-profit. It doesn't matter. Screw 'em.

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  20. And when did I give you the impression I was Finished going to University? I began University 33
    years ago and I have a Logistics Mngmnt. exam at 1 pm today. In total I've been in University 8
    years and in College 5 (not counting Part-time courses).

    You are assuming I have a Life beyond school...I don't, my wife won't allow
    it.
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    "Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    ...I went to a Univ. that was 20 miles from my apt., I'd

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    ride to the campus in the morning, ride home for lunch and ride back to


    the

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    campus and ride home after my last class (80 miles a day)...

    That's where that 186 IQ of yours must have kicked in. If I had ridden a bicycle for 4 1/2 to 5
    1/2 hours during the school day it would have taken me about 15 years to graduate.

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