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  1. August 13, 2005

    Got milk? You've got problems
    By Karen Dawn, KAREN DAWN runs the animal advocacy
    media watch DawnWatch.com and is a contributor to "In Defense
    of Animals: The Second Wave" (Blackwell Publishing, 2005).

    DAIRY COWS have overtaken automobiles as the No. 1 air
    polluter in parts of California, according to a Los Angeles Times
    article. A New York Times editorial discussed "the eye-stinging,
    nose-burning smell of cattle congestion in rural California,"
    acknowledging that something had to be done. What nobody
    wants to say, in this land of milk and cookies, is that we shouldn't
    be drinking cow's milk.

    In the last edition of his "Baby and Child Care" bible, Dr. Benjamin
    Spock made it clear that cow's milk is for baby cows, not for human
    children. He wrote that it was "too rich in the saturated fats that
    cause artery blockages" and that it "slows down iron absorption."
    He suggested that it may cause ear and/or respiratory problems,
    and may be linked to childhood onset diabetes. He stressed that
    infants should drink only human breast milk and older children
    should try soy and rice milk products.

    But the dairy industry would rather you didn't know that. As it
    spends millions of dollars telling us that milk consumption will
    help us lose weight, it would rather we didn't see a study
    published in the June issue of the Archives of Pediatrics &
    Adolescent Medicine. The study found that children who drink
    more than three servings of milk daily are prone to becoming
    overweight, even if it is low-fat milk. Neither does the industry
    advertise the Harvard School of Public Health finding that
    15% of whites, 70% of African Americans and 90% of Asians
    are lactose intolerant.

    The dairy industry prefers to scare us with tales of brittle bones,
    hoping we don't notice studies showing that people in Asia, who
    consume almost no dairy products, have a significantly lower rate
    of hip fractures than people in "got milk?" America. Consistent
    with those results is Harvard University's 1997 Nurses Health
    Study, which followed 78,000 women over a 12-year period
    and found that those who consumed the most dairy foods
    broke the most bones.

    And a study published just this month in the International
    Journal of Cancer found a 13% increase in ovarian cancer
    risk in women who increased their lactose intake in amounts
    equivalent to one glass of milk per day.

    Men don't need milk either. A Harvard study published in
    1998 linked high calcium consumption to prostate cancer,
    and in this week's news, we learned that Dean Ornish's
    low-fat, vegan diet (no dairy) may block the progression
    of that disease. While touting its products as a fundamental
    part of a healthy diet, the dairy industry won't rush to tell
    us that Scott Jurek, who just won the Western States
    100-mile run - for the seventh time in a row - is vegan.

    Now, we learn that the dairy industry may also be harming
    our children by polluting the air. The Times article quoted
    an attorney for the Center on Race, Poverty & the
    Environment, who said that in Fresno, in the center of the
    nation's dairy industry, one in six children carries an inhaler
    to school.

    Instead of protecting us, the government aligns itself with
    the dairy lobby. The California Milk Advisory Board, a
    government agency, playfully took advantage of society's
    increasing concern for animal welfare with its phenomenally
    successful "happy cows" campaign, which shows extended
    bovine families grazing in meadows.

    People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals sued the
    board for false advertising, arguing that most California
    dairy cows live miserable lives on overcrowded dirt lots.
    They are artificially inseminated annually, because they
    don't produce milk without pregnancies, and are pumped
    full of hormones so that they will give 10 times as much
    milk as they would naturally. Their calves are carted off
    to veal crates. Then at about age 5, the "happy" cows
    are turned into hamburgers. PETA's suit failed - on the
    grounds that government bodies are exempt from fair
    advertising laws. Government is free to say whatever it
    wants about the conditions in which cows live, or about
    the "health benefits" of milk.

    Unfortunately, the government is unlikely to start running
    ads suggesting we follow Asia's lead and switch to tofu,
    or even kale, though both have more calcium per cup
    than cow's milk. But for your health, the environment,
    the animals, and for those kids in Fresno carrying inhalers,
    why not change your next Starbucks low-fat latte order
    to soy?

    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-dawn13aug13,0,4920117.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions

  2. pearl said:

    August 13, 2005

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    "veganism"
    "inner earth beings"
    "hollow earth"
    that goofy patent for a MANUFACTURED globe
    helium-inflated number(s) for feed:beef
    rain forest destruction
    Brazil's exports (based on *Argentina's* trade)
    Stolen French flying saucer
    Zapper
    Foot massage (as cure-all)
    Astrology
    Numerology
    Alien abduction
    bestiality
    Leprechauns
    Channeling
    Polar fountains
    Sun gazing
    Chemtrails
    AIDS and ebola conspiracy theory
    Crop circles
    sexually aroused by violent ex-convicts
    participation in skinhead subculture
    the validity of online IQ tests
    crackpot 9-11 conspiracy theories
    Jeff Rense for "news"

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  3. pearl said:

    August 13, 2005

    Got milk? You've got problems
    By Karen Dawn, KAREN DAWN runs the animal advocacy
    media watch DawnWatch.com and is a contributor to "In Defense
    of Animals: The Second Wave" (Blackwell Publishing, 2005).

    DAIRY COWS have overtaken automobiles as the No. 1 air
    polluter in parts of California, according to a Los Angeles Times
    article. A New York Times editorial discussed "the eye-stinging,
    nose-burning smell of cattle congestion in rural California,"
    acknowledging that something had to be done. What nobody
    wants to say, in this land of milk and cookies, is that we shouldn't
    be drinking cow's milk.

    In the last edition of his "Baby and Child Care" bible, Dr. Benjamin
    Spock made it clear that cow's milk is for baby cows, not for human
    children. He wrote that it was "too rich in the saturated fats that
    cause artery blockages" and that it "slows down iron absorption."
    He suggested that it may cause ear and/or respiratory problems,
    and may be linked to childhood onset diabetes. He stressed that
    infants should drink only human breast milk and older children
    should try soy and rice milk products.

    1) the "saturated fat is evil" thing has been thoroughly debunked.
    2) Spock is not a nutritionist and he knows nothing about saturated
    fats and what they may or may not do to arteries
    3) Spock has admitted that he knows nothing about raising kids
    4) Milk has nothing to do with diabetes

    Veganism is a dangerous practise and those imposing a vegan diet on a
    child should have their child removed from them and should be charged
    with neglect causing harm.

    TC

  4. "Rudy Canoza" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Faking quotes, forged posts, lies, filth, harassment.
    http://www.iol.ie/~creature/boiled%20ball.html

  5. "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    pearl said:

    August 13, 2005

    Got milk? You've got problems
    By Karen Dawn, KAREN DAWN runs the animal advocacy
    media watch DawnWatch.com and is a contributor to "In Defense
    of Animals: The Second Wave" (Blackwell Publishing, 2005).

    DAIRY COWS have overtaken automobiles as the No. 1 air
    polluter in parts of California, according to a Los Angeles Times
    article. A New York Times editorial discussed "the eye-stinging,
    nose-burning smell of cattle congestion in rural California,"
    acknowledging that something had to be done. What nobody
    wants to say, in this land of milk and cookies, is that we shouldn't
    be drinking cow's milk.

    In the last edition of his "Baby and Child Care" bible, Dr. Benjamin
    Spock made it clear that cow's milk is for baby cows, not for human
    children. He wrote that it was "too rich in the saturated fats that
    cause artery blockages" and that it "slows down iron absorption."
    He suggested that it may cause ear and/or respiratory problems,
    and may be linked to childhood onset diabetes. He stressed that
    infants should drink only human breast milk and older children
    should try soy and rice milk products.

    1) the "saturated fat is evil" thing has been thoroughly debunked.

    Ipse dixit, and false.

    Quoted message said:

    2) Spock is not a nutritionist and he knows nothing about saturated
    fats and what they may or may not do to arteries

    Dr. Benjamin Spock was absolutely right.

    Quoted message said:

    3) Spock has admitted that he knows nothing about raising kids

    Quote?

    Quoted message said:

    4) Milk has nothing to do with diabetes

    False.

    Quoted message said:

    Veganism is a dangerous practise and those imposing a vegan diet on a
    child should have their child removed from them and should be charged
    with neglect causing harm.

    False.

  6. Amen!

    "pearl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    August 13, 2005

    Got milk? You've got problems
    By Karen Dawn, KAREN DAWN runs the animal advocacy
    media watch DawnWatch.com and is a contributor to "In Defense
    of Animals: The Second Wave" (Blackwell Publishing, 2005).

    DAIRY COWS have overtaken automobiles as the No. 1 air
    polluter in parts of California, according to a Los Angeles Times
    article. A New York Times editorial discussed "the eye-stinging,
    nose-burning smell of cattle congestion in rural California,"
    acknowledging that something had to be done. What nobody
    wants to say, in this land of milk and cookies, is that we shouldn't
    be drinking cow's milk.

    In the last edition of his "Baby and Child Care" bible, Dr. Benjamin
    Spock made it clear that cow's milk is for baby cows, not for human
    children. He wrote that it was "too rich in the saturated fats that
    cause artery blockages" and that it "slows down iron absorption."
    He suggested that it may cause ear and/or respiratory problems,
    and may be linked to childhood onset diabetes. He stressed that
    infants should drink only human breast milk and older children
    should try soy and rice milk products.

    But the dairy industry would rather you didn't know that. As it
    spends millions of dollars telling us that milk consumption will
    help us lose weight, it would rather we didn't see a study
    published in the June issue of the Archives of Pediatrics &
    Adolescent Medicine. The study found that children who drink
    more than three servings of milk daily are prone to becoming
    overweight, even if it is low-fat milk. Neither does the industry
    advertise the Harvard School of Public Health finding that
    15% of whites, 70% of African Americans and 90% of Asians
    are lactose intolerant.

    The dairy industry prefers to scare us with tales of brittle bones,
    hoping we don't notice studies showing that people in Asia, who
    consume almost no dairy products, have a significantly lower rate
    of hip fractures than people in "got milk?" America. Consistent
    with those results is Harvard University's 1997 Nurses Health
    Study, which followed 78,000 women over a 12-year period
    and found that those who consumed the most dairy foods
    broke the most bones.

    And a study published just this month in the International
    Journal of Cancer found a 13% increase in ovarian cancer
    risk in women who increased their lactose intake in amounts
    equivalent to one glass of milk per day.

    Men don't need milk either. A Harvard study published in
    1998 linked high calcium consumption to prostate cancer,
    and in this week's news, we learned that Dean Ornish's
    low-fat, vegan diet (no dairy) may block the progression
    of that disease. While touting its products as a fundamental
    part of a healthy diet, the dairy industry won't rush to tell
    us that Scott Jurek, who just won the Western States
    100-mile run - for the seventh time in a row - is vegan.

    Now, we learn that the dairy industry may also be harming
    our children by polluting the air. The Times article quoted
    an attorney for the Center on Race, Poverty & the
    Environment, who said that in Fresno, in the center of the
    nation's dairy industry, one in six children carries an inhaler
    to school.

    Instead of protecting us, the government aligns itself with
    the dairy lobby. The California Milk Advisory Board, a
    government agency, playfully took advantage of society's
    increasing concern for animal welfare with its phenomenally
    successful "happy cows" campaign, which shows extended
    bovine families grazing in meadows.

    People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals sued the
    board for false advertising, arguing that most California
    dairy cows live miserable lives on overcrowded dirt lots.
    They are artificially inseminated annually, because they
    don't produce milk without pregnancies, and are pumped
    full of hormones so that they will give 10 times as much
    milk as they would naturally. Their calves are carted off
    to veal crates. Then at about age 5, the "happy" cows
    are turned into hamburgers. PETA's suit failed - on the
    grounds that government bodies are exempt from fair
    advertising laws. Government is free to say whatever it
    wants about the conditions in which cows live, or about
    the "health benefits" of milk.

    Unfortunately, the government is unlikely to start running
    ads suggesting we follow Asia's lead and switch to tofu,
    or even kale, though both have more calcium per cup
    than cow's milk. But for your health, the environment,
    the animals, and for those kids in Fresno carrying inhalers,
    why not change your next Starbucks low-fat latte order
    to soy?


    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-dawn13aug13,0,4920117.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions

    Quoted message said:


  7. Miss Havisham said:

    "Rudy Canoza" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Faking quotes

    Faking nothing, you filthy skank.

    Haven't heard from your solly yet <snicker>

  8. pearl said:

    "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    pearl said:

    August 13, 2005

    Got milk? You've got problems
    By Karen Dawn, KAREN DAWN runs the animal advocacy
    media watch DawnWatch.com and is a contributor to "In Defense
    of Animals: The Second Wave" (Blackwell Publishing, 2005).

    DAIRY COWS have overtaken automobiles as the No. 1 air
    polluter in parts of California, according to a Los Angeles Times
    article. A New York Times editorial discussed "the eye-stinging,
    nose-burning smell of cattle congestion in rural California,"
    acknowledging that something had to be done. What nobody
    wants to say, in this land of milk and cookies, is that we shouldn't
    be drinking cow's milk.

    In the last edition of his "Baby and Child Care" bible, Dr. Benjamin
    Spock made it clear that cow's milk is for baby cows, not for human
    children. He wrote that it was "too rich in the saturated fats that
    cause artery blockages" and that it "slows down iron absorption."
    He suggested that it may cause ear and/or respiratory problems,
    and may be linked to childhood onset diabetes. He stressed that
    infants should drink only human breast milk and older children
    should try soy and rice milk products.

    1) the "saturated fat is evil" thing has been thoroughly debunked.

    Ipse dixit, and false.

    No, true. You stupid skank.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    2) Spock is not a nutritionist and he knows nothing about saturated
    fats and what they may or may not do to arteries

    Dr. Benjamin Spock was absolutely right.

    He was not a nutritionist. He was wrong.

    You are a lying [censored].

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Veganism is a dangerous practise and those imposing a vegan diet on a
    child should have their child removed from them and should be charged
    with neglect causing harm.

    False.

    No, true. It's an eating disorder. It's a form of orthorexia.


  9. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Veganism is a dangerous practise and those imposing a vegan diet on a
    child should have their child removed from them and should be charged
    with neglect causing harm.

    False.

    No, true. It's an eating disorder. It's a form of orthorexia.

    I guess for all the low-carbers out there, Veganism must be pretty
    scary.

    I'm not a vegan (I'm vegetarian), but I've known numerous vegans over
    the past couple of decades, including two children who are raised vegan
    (10 and 12 years of age). The oldest vegans I know are in their late
    fifties. These are vibrant, energetic, healthy people.... and they are
    also the least-fat demographic I've observed. Interestingly, they also
    seem to have the nicest skin. But that's not the point....

    As long as you make sure you take in the proper nutrients, veganism is
    quite alright.

  10. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Veganism is a dangerous practise and those imposing a vegan diet on a
    > child should have their child removed from them and should be charged
    > with neglect causing harm.

    False.

    No, true. It's an eating disorder. It's a form of orthorexia.

    I guess for all the low-carbers out there, Veganism must be pretty
    scary.

    I'm not a vegan (I'm vegetarian), but I've known numerous vegans over
    the past couple of decades, including two children who are raised vegan
    (10 and 12 years of age). The oldest vegans I know are in their late
    fifties. These are vibrant, energetic, healthy people.... and they are
    also the least-fat demographic I've observed. Interestingly, they also
    seem to have the nicest skin. But that's not the point....

    As long as you make sure you take in the proper nutrients, veganism is
    quite alright.

    Answer this honestly. Are those two kids normal in terms of behavior
    and in terms of incidences of colds, flus and infections?

    TC

  11. If those kids hadn't turned out normally, I certainly wouldn't be here
    advocating veganism. So, yes, they are quite normal and healthy.

  12. Quoted message said:

    If those kids hadn't turned out normally, I certainly wouldn't be here
    advocating veganism. So, yes, they are quite normal and healthy.

    No behavioral problems? No hassle about their behavior at school, from
    teachers? No ear infections, colds, coughs, etc.?

    I would bet dollars to donuts that they are holy terrors who are
    consistently in trouble at school and are almost always coughing with
    runny noses and sick with ear infections.

    TC

  13. TC said:
    Quoted message said:

    If those kids hadn't turned out normally, I certainly wouldn't be here
    advocating veganism. So, yes, they are quite normal and healthy.

    No behavioral problems? No hassle about their behavior at school, from
    teachers? No ear infections, colds, coughs, etc.?

    I would bet dollars to donuts that they are holy terrors who are
    consistently in trouble at school and are almost always coughing with
    runny noses and sick with ear infections.

    TC

    http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=199842005

    Vegetarian diet 'bad for children'

    JIM MCBETH

    PARENTS who impose strict vegetarian diets on their children are doing
    them irreparable physical and mental harm, according to a study from
    the United States.

    Removing animal foods from a child's diet is "unethical" and
    damaging, and produces smaller, lethargic and less capable children,
    said Professor Lindsay Allen, of California University, who carried out
    a two-year study on 544 Kenyan children.

    But her findings drew an angry reaction from Sir Paul McCartney, the
    former Beatle and celebrity vegetarian. He claimed: "These [studies]
    are engineered by livestock people who have seen sales fall off."

    A vegetarian for 20 years, he said he had raised his children the same
    way "with no ill-effects". He went on: "This [report] is rubbish.
    Vegetarianism has been a good thing for me and my children, who are no
    shorter than other children."

    Prof Allen was unrepentant. She said: "Knowing Sir Paul is upset
    won't make me lose sleep. My work was done for the United States
    Agency for International Development, not a meat company."

    Her study found that small amounts of meat and milk in the daily diet
    of children doubled physical capability and enhanced mental acuity.

    She said: "If you're talking about feeding children, I would say it
    is unethical to withhold these foods. There are adverse effects on
    development."

    Her study involved seven-year-olds whose usual diet consisted of corn
    and beans. One group was given a supplement of meat, two groups
    received milk and a fourth group remained on the local diet.

    The changes in the "meat" children and, to a lesser extent, the "milk"
    children were dramatic, Prof Allen said. The meat group had an 80 per
    cent increase in muscle mass while in the milk group there was a 40 per
    cent increase. There was no change in the local diet group.

    "The meat supplement children were more active, talkative and playful,
    and their mental skills improved," she said. "Had these children
    received these foods earlier, we think the improvements would be even
    more dramatic."

    However, Professor Annie Anderson, of the centre for public health
    nutrition research at Dundee University, had her reservations. She
    said: "A vegan diet for children does increase the risk of poor growth
    and it requires a great deal of study."

    Prof Anderson also believed a study carried out in Africa did not
    easily transplant to Scotland. She said: "It sounds as if this was an
    area of poverty or a sub-group within a culture where all they have are
    cereals. I am not saying Prof Allen's results are untrue, but if I
    did an intervention study here, I would not assume it would work in
    Kenya."

    Kostana Azmi, from the Vegan Society, said the number of people
    switching to plant-based nutrition was increasing. "The vegan diet can
    provide you with more energy and nutrition, and is bursting with
    goodness," she said.

    VEGAN CHILD 'HEALTHY AND HAPPY'

    HE IS a healthy, energetic child, well grown, curious, and desperate to
    answer the telephone every time it rings.

    Robin Richards, two, is a vegan child, and so far his physical and
    mental development is indistinguishable from that of a child on a
    "normal" diet.

    His mother, Emily, 36, from Aberdeen, has been a vegetarian since her
    teens and a vegan, who eat no animal products whatsoever, for a decade.

    Her husband Mark, 32, was a late convert. He has been vegan for six
    years. The Richards' chose their dietary lifestyle for moral,
    environmental and health reasons.

    But while they were happy to be vegan, they thought long and hard
    before applying the same diet to their child.

    Mrs Richards said: "It was after a period of investigation. I had
    concerns, but we thoroughly researched it and were convinced that Robin
    could grow healthily.

    "When I was pregnant there were fears over the BSE crisis. We believed
    that by not eating such foods we were doing the best for Robin."

    As a baby, the child was breast-fed and as he grew, mother's milk was
    replaced by soya "milk".

    The Richards' diet consists of beans, lentils and nuts and organic
    vegetables.

    Mrs Richards added: "Robin shows no sign of being different. He did the
    right things at the appropriate time and his height and weight are
    consistent with his age.

    "The vitamins he needs which are not provided by a plant-based diet are
    replaced with supplements."

    The cost of a vegan diet is "swings and roundabouts", according to Mrs
    Richards.

    She said: "We don't have the expense of meat but our vegetables are
    organic, which costs a bit more. I reckon it evens itself out.

    "The important thing is we feel we are doing the right thing.

    "Professor Allen's findings were taken from a group of Kenyan
    children who were probably not eating a balanced diet in the first
    place.

    "I believe it would be wrong to conclude from her study that all vegan
    children in the world are undernourished."

    ****

    TC

  14. TC:

    Sorry to disappoint you, but the kids are well-behaved (even I like
    being around them, and I don't even really like kids) and they're
    healthy.

    The only health concern that I'm aware of is when one of them got lice
    (ewww) from another kid at school, but you can't blame that on their
    diet.

    You must learn to be open minded, and be open to the idea that you
    might possibly be wrong. Anyone can sift through articles and
    pick-and-choose those articles that reinforce their own biases. If you
    are truly interested in finding truth, then you must learn to see both
    sides of an argument.

  15. Quoted message said:

    TC:

    Sorry to disappoint you, but the kids are well-behaved (even I like
    being around them, and I don't even really like kids) and they're
    healthy.

    The only health concern that I'm aware of is when one of them got lice
    (ewww) from another kid at school, but you can't blame that on their
    diet.

    You must learn to be open minded, and be open to the idea that you
    might possibly be wrong. Anyone can sift through articles and
    pick-and-choose those articles that reinforce their own biases. If you
    are truly interested in finding truth, then you must learn to see both
    sides of an argument.

    My experience is that vegans/vegetarians try to pretend that they are
    vegan/vegetarians because is it supposed to be healthy rather than
    admit that they do it because of some feely save-the-world-from-itself
    agenda. And they do not hesitate to try to foist it onto impressionable
    young adults and children. And pretty much all the vegan/vegetarian
    organizations out there have been involved in highly questionable
    tactics to push their agenda onto the national and international
    stages. PETA and PCRM have both been closely linked (financially and
    otherwise) to groups and individuals who are deemed as domestic
    terrorists.

    The fact is that veganisn and vegetarianism is very unhealthy as it is
    practised by most vegans/vegetarians. And when it is imposed onto
    children by supposedly well-meaning parents, it is very detrimental to
    the childrens health.

    Without a very thorough understanding of the nutritional needs of
    humans and a very thorough knowledge of the nutritional make-up of
    foods, and constant diligence, it is extrememly difficult to ensure
    that a person is getting the optimum nutrition from strictly non-animal
    sources. And when you put a small growing child into the mix, you are
    virtually guaranteed to have some form of malnutrition along the way.
    How is a teenager going to be able to ensure proper nutrition?

    You guys are dangerous in more ways than one.

    TC

  16. Rudy Canoza said:
    pearl said:

    "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    pearl wrote:
    > August 13, 2005
    >
    > Got milk? You've got problems
    > By Karen Dawn, KAREN DAWN runs the animal advocacy
    > media watch DawnWatch.com and is a contributor to "In Defense
    > of Animals: The Second Wave" (Blackwell Publishing, 2005).
    >
    > DAIRY COWS have overtaken automobiles as the No. 1 air
    > polluter in parts of California, according to a Los Angeles Times
    > article. A New York Times editorial discussed "the eye-stinging,
    > nose-burning smell of cattle congestion in rural California,"
    > acknowledging that something had to be done. What nobody
    > wants to say, in this land of milk and cookies, is that we shouldn't
    > be drinking cow's milk.
    >
    > In the last edition of his "Baby and Child Care" bible, Dr. Benjamin
    > Spock made it clear that cow's milk is for baby cows, not for human
    > children. He wrote that it was "too rich in the saturated fats that
    > cause artery blockages" and that it "slows down iron absorption."
    > He suggested that it may cause ear and/or respiratory problems,
    > and may be linked to childhood onset diabetes. He stressed that
    > infants should drink only human breast milk and older children
    > should try soy and rice milk products.

    1) the "saturated fat is evil" thing has been thoroughly debunked.

    Ipse dixit, and false.

    No, true. You stupid skank.

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    2) Spock is not a nutritionist and he knows nothing about saturated
    fats and what they may or may not do to arteries

    Dr. Benjamin Spock was absolutely right.

    He was not a nutritionist. He was wrong.

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    You are a lying [censored].

    You are a lying little nipplehead Goober ~jonnie~.

    Now go suck some casein, growth hormones, and pus from a cow's teat.

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    Veganism is a dangerous practise and those imposing a vegan diet on a
    child should have their child removed from them and should be charged
    with neglect causing harm.

    False.

    No, true. It's an eating disorder. It's a form of orthorexia.

  17. TC said:


    My experience is that vegans/vegetarians try to pretend that they are
    vegan/vegetarians because is it supposed to be healthy rather than
    admit that they do it because of some feely save-the-world-from-itself
    agenda.

    YOUR experience with vegans? You don't come across as someone who has
    had any such experience. Your turn to be honest.... how many vegans do
    you know well? There are vegans/vegetarians out there who choose
    veganism/veggie for health reasons only.

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    And they do not hesitate to try to foist it onto impressionable
    young adults and children. And pretty much all the vegan/vegetarian
    organizations out there have been involved in highly questionable
    tactics to push their agenda onto the national and international
    stages. PETA and PCRM have both been closely linked (financially and
    otherwise) to groups and individuals who are deemed as domestic
    terrorists.

    What on earth does that have to do with anything? Are there no nut-job
    meat-eaters out there? No one I know belongs to (or supports) any of
    the organizations you mentioned.

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    The fact is that veganisn and vegetarianism is very unhealthy as it is
    practised by most vegans/vegetarians.

    Fact? For every anti-veganism article you cite, I can find an equal
    number of pro-veganism studies. The only difference is that I have 20
    years of anecdotal evidence on my side, and you rely on stereotypes
    (always a sign of ignorance or stupidity)

    Quoted message said:

    And when it is imposed onto
    children by supposedly well-meaning parents, it is very detrimental to
    the childrens health.

    Says who? And have you not imposed a diet onto your children?

    Quoted message said:

    Without a very thorough understanding of the nutritional needs of
    humans and a very thorough knowledge of the nutritional make-up of
    foods, and constant diligence, it is extrememly difficult to ensure
    that a person is getting the optimum nutrition from strictly non-animal
    sources. And when you put a small growing child into the mix, you are
    virtually guaranteed to have some form of malnutrition along the way.
    How is a teenager going to be able to ensure proper nutrition?

    You guys are dangerous in more ways than one.

    TC

    Get with the times, grampa. I bet you are a chubby net-surfer who
    thinks he knows everything because he's read a lot of "nutritional
    studies". As I said before, I belong to a group of friends/family who
    have followed veganism/vegetarianism and who are far more energetic and
    youthful than anyone else I know, not to mention a lot less chubby.
    And it's been like that for decades.

    I await your pseudo-intellectual response. No doubt you will ignore my
    20+ years of evidence and revert to quoting your favorite articles.

  18. Quoted message said:
    TC said:


    My experience is that vegans/vegetarians try to pretend that they are
    vegan/vegetarians because is it supposed to be healthy rather than
    admit that they do it because of some feely save-the-world-from-itself
    agenda.

    YOUR experience with vegans? You don't come across as someone who has
    had any such experience. Your turn to be honest.... how many vegans do
    you know well? There are vegans/vegetarians out there who choose
    veganism/veggie for health reasons only.

    Why the tirade?

    I have plenty of experience with diet, cooking, nutrition and the
    science behind it all. I also know enough about vegans and their diets,
    their activities, their groups and their general approach and reasoning
    to be more than qualified to express an opinion.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:


    And they do not hesitate to try to foist it onto impressionable
    young adults and children. And pretty much all the vegan/vegetarian
    organizations out there have been involved in highly questionable
    tactics to push their agenda onto the national and international
    stages. PETA and PCRM have both been closely linked (financially and
    otherwise) to groups and individuals who are deemed as domestic
    terrorists.

    What on earth does that have to do with anything? Are there no nut-job
    meat-eaters out there? No one I know belongs to (or supports) any of
    the organizations you mentioned.

    Again, why the rant? I've yet to meet or read about any low-carber or
    meat eater advocating killing or bombing people. SHAC does that, and
    PETA and PCRM funds SHAC.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    The fact is that veganisn and vegetarianism is very unhealthy as it is
    practised by most vegans/vegetarians.

    Fact? For every anti-veganism article you cite, I can find an equal
    number of pro-veganism studies. The only difference is that I have 20
    years of anecdotal evidence on my side, and you rely on stereotypes
    (always a sign of ignorance or stupidity)

    How about citing valid science? And you anecdotal (read biased)
    evidence means squat. Understanding the concept of veganism being an
    unhealthy diet has nothing to do with stereotypes and everything to do
    with science and commons sense nutrition.

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    Quoted message said:

    And when it is imposed onto
    children by supposedly well-meaning parents, it is very detrimental to
    the childrens health.

    Says who? And have you not imposed a diet onto your children?

    I have not imposed a dangerous diet on my children based on some absurb
    "save-the-planet-at-any-cost" mentality.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Without a very thorough understanding of the nutritional needs of
    humans and a very thorough knowledge of the nutritional make-up of
    foods, and constant diligence, it is extrememly difficult to ensure
    that a person is getting the optimum nutrition from strictly non-animal
    sources. And when you put a small growing child into the mix, you are
    virtually guaranteed to have some form of malnutrition along the way.
    How is a teenager going to be able to ensure proper nutrition?

    You guys are dangerous in more ways than one.

    TC

    Get with the times, grampa. I bet you are a chubby net-surfer who
    thinks he knows everything because he's read a lot of "nutritional
    studies". As I said before, I belong to a group of friends/family who
    have followed veganism/vegetarianism and who are far more energetic and
    youthful than anyone else I know, not to mention a lot less chubby.
    And it's been like that for decades.

    I await your pseudo-intellectual response. No doubt you will ignore my
    20+ years of evidence and revert to quoting your favorite articles.

    I am 5' 11" at 180 lbs. I've read many bio-chem textbooks, I've read
    tons of research on every side of the arguments. I cook.

    TC

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    TC:

    Sorry to disappoint you, but the kids are well-behaved (even I like
    being around them, and I don't even really like kids) and they're
    healthy.

    The only health concern that I'm aware of is when one of them got lice
    (ewww) from another kid at school, but you can't blame that on their
    diet.

    You must learn to be open minded, and be open to the idea that you
    might possibly be wrong. Anyone can sift through articles and
    pick-and-choose those articles that reinforce their own biases. If you
    are truly interested in finding truth, then you must learn to see both
    sides of an argument.

    My experience is that vegans/vegetarians try to pretend that they are
    vegan/vegetarians because is it supposed to be healthy rather than
    admit that they do it because of some feely save-the-world-from-itself
    agenda. And they do not hesitate to try to foist it onto impressionable
    young adults and children. And pretty much all the vegan/vegetarian
    organizations out there have been involved in highly questionable
    tactics to push their agenda onto the national and international
    stages. PETA and PCRM have both been closely linked (financially and
    otherwise) to groups and individuals who are deemed as domestic
    terrorists.

    Boo!!!

    Quoted message said:

    The fact is that veganisn and vegetarianism is very unhealthy as it is
    practised by most vegans/vegetarians. And when it is imposed onto
    children by supposedly well-meaning parents, it is very detrimental to
    the childrens health.

    Without a very thorough understanding of the nutritional needs of
    humans and a very thorough knowledge of the nutritional make-up of
    foods, and constant diligence, it is extrememly difficult to ensure
    that a person is getting the optimum nutrition from strictly non-animal
    sources. And when you put a small growing child into the mix, you are
    virtually guaranteed to have some form of malnutrition along the way.
    How is a teenager going to be able to ensure proper nutrition?

    You guys are dangerous in more ways than one.

    Boo!!!

  20. "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Veganism is a dangerous practise and those imposing a vegan diet on a
    child should have their child removed from them and should be charged
    with neglect causing harm.

    And Dubya never lied to us. Once again you make me laugh my ass off.

    -DF

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