Quoted message said:Mark Hickey said:I agree that those who are responsible will be held
accountable.
This time the military is not looking for Lt. Cally, they
are looking for Pvt Guilty while the generals claim they
saw nothing. Not only did they see it, they instigated it.
... and you know that how, exactly (other than possibly the
one female reservist general who was supposed to be in
charge)? I thought one of the principles of justice we're
trying to protect here was the "innocent until proven
guilty thing".
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:But to assume that means every time some private in the
army does something improper we need to eliminate his or
her chain of command up to and including the president is
a little over the top, don't you think? If we sign up for
that program it'll be hard to know who the president is
on any given day. Heck, we'll probably get an opportunity
to hold the job for 15 minutes ourselves eventually.
I see you don't understand management. Let me repeat. In
this area bicyclists were harassed by Sheriff deputies who
wrote plenty of tickets. One spot in particular was a T-
intersection with a three way stop. Straight through
bicyclists passing on the non-intersecting side of the
street, when there was no traffic far and wide, would be
cited for failure to stop while equestrians could ride
merrily through on the same shoulder.
I guess I don't understand management if you describe
it that way.
Quoted message said:All this action ceased when we got a new sheriff and
suddenly the patrol cars became our friends. That is how
effective management is felt at the lowest echelons. The
tone of prison guards is molded by the instructions and
attitudes of superiors, what they encourage and what is
rewarded. Managers who say they didn't know are either
incompetent or outright lying. Take your choice with Rummy.
So your mimimum standard of performance for the Secretary of
Defense is that he knows precisely what every one of the
hundreds of thousands of his soldiers are doing all the
time. He's gonna be a very busy guy. Do you suspect the CEO
of HP knows what every one of his (or is it her?) employees
is doing this week? It wouldn't be any more difficult
(probably considerably less). If you "understand management"
you'll know the answer to my question.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:The system will allow for those who 'perpetrated the
attrocities" to be punished - rightfully so. It'll also
serve as an object lesson to the Iraqis and to those in
the region.
To whom?
I'll type slower... "to the Iraqis and those in the region".
They're not used to accountability.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:In that regard, it's a good thing.
This seems to me a non-sequitur. Could you link that with
what it is that is good about this and what it is doing for
Guantanamo prison?
Sure. They'll see that we really DO take justice seriously
when the folks who were responsible get punished. That's not
the way it's worked for 30 years in Iraq.
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