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  1. In my MUni accident a week or two back, I fell forwards and
    down a short slope and landed chin first on a rock. I
    thought I'd broken my jaw, but hadn't. I needed 7 stitches
    in my chin, and I needed a tooth to be rebuilt. The rock
    was undamaged, which is just as well as it was National
    Park property.

    Time to consider a full face helmet? I ride hundreds of
    miles a year, most of it cross country or light MUni. I'm
    more of a mud plugger than a rock hopper. So far, I have
    never hit the ground with my helmet! However, a broken jaw
    would have put me out of action for a very long time,
    causing difficulties with a range of activities from eating
    to drinking, and including wearing a motorcycle helmet or
    fencing mask, or playing harmonica. I now know how easiliy
    it could happen to me.

    So, someone in this forum suggested a Switchblade helmet. I
    did look on the internet, but I prefer to see and touch
    before I buy, so I went to my local shop, Super Cycles, in
    Nottingham.

    They had about 4 models of full face helmet in, including
    the Switchblade - and what a lovely helmet it is: light,
    elegant, stylish, well ventilated... and, in my opinion,
    totally unsuited for unicycling.

    My injury was almost exactly on the jaw line, on the
    underside of the chin. I fell forwards and did a swallow
    dive, with no opportunity to roll. My chest hit the floor
    and my head whipped forward, and the bottom of my jaw hit
    the rock. I imagine that such an accident would be fairly
    rare on a mountainbike or BMX. I could be wrong, but my
    limited experience of bicycle accidents suggests that you
    either fall sideways and roll, or you go over the
    handlebars, in which case you land in a tangled mess, but
    not usually with a full face-plant. A workmate who rides
    serious downhill mountain bike broadly agrees.

    The Switchblade, like most of the other helmets on display,
    has a lightweight, high chin guard which would protect your
    chin very well indeed if you fell and rolled. However, the
    line of the chinguard is so high that the bottom of your
    chin is almost exposed to an upward blow. (Think of being
    'uppercut' by a rock. That's more or less what happened to
    me.) Also, the chinguard projects quite a long way, which
    gives it a fair amount of leverage. Try as I might, I could
    not adjust the Switchblade (or most of the other helmets) to
    meet both of the following criteria:
    1) Comfortable enough to wear for an extended period.
    2) Secure enough not to ride up and expose the bottom of
    the jaw in the event of an 'uppercut'.

    No good at all. Beautiful, elegant, useless - not
    unlike myself.

    I bought an Odyssey Apache 2. The website is
    www.odysseybmx.com although I can't find the exact helmet
    on there. The site shows the Odyssey Apache 3 which is
    broadly the same.

    The helmet is quite heavy, being made of 4 layers of hand
    laid fibreglass. It has six vents, but is less well
    ventilated than a typical road helmet. It has a quick
    release buckle, but any adjustment of the tension is by
    laboriously pulling the webbing through the bcukle,
    unlike my 'road' helmet which can be adjusted 2 ways
    whilst on the move.

    On the head, it feels almost like a motorbike helmet. It's a
    bit heavy, but feels solid and reasuring. The chin guard
    feels like it will take a good whack, and the whole helmet
    feels secure. There is a peak which can be removed. In
    place, the peak may serve to give additional facial
    protection in the event of a face plant, and it will deflect
    twigs, leaves and so on if you're riding though the woods.

    I've just done a ride of around 8-10 miles on the 28 on a
    cold windy night. I was glad of the additional warmth of the
    full face helmet, so that probably means it will be hot on a
    summer's day ride.

    I hope never to test the helmet's impact-resisting
    properties. However, I'm reasonably satisfied that it is a
    good buy and will be suitable for downhill MUni or high
    speed Coker runs. I dare say there are plenty of similar
    helmets available. Just two things I'd like to stress:

    3) If your riding puts you at risk of this type of fall,
    consider the implications of a broken jaw. A full face
    helmet doesn't look as silly as a line of stitches on
    your chin - I know, because I've tried both.

    4) If you decide to buy one, check how it will protect you
    against a blow to the underside of the jaw. Don't just
    assume that light weight, style and high price guarantee
    the best helmet. They are all made for bicyclists, and
    we have subtly different accidents.

    I will still wear a 'normal' helmet on more moderate rides.

    --
    Mikefule - Roland Hope School of Unicycling

    Sometimes I ride like a demon, sometimes like a lemon. It's an L of a
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  2. I read your account of that accident and it sounded pretty
    nasty; I know from experience how it feels to UPD and, for a
    second, believe that you've broken something.

    I was wondering if you'd got any tips, other than wearing a
    full face helmet for avoiding this kind of jaw injury.

    Tonight I was out on my 29-er and had about 3 UPDs, all of
    which I walked out of with no problems, however, I know that
    I can't assume all UPDs will be so straightforward.

    If I undestand your description correctly the problem wasn't
    that your face hit the ground, but that your chest did and
    this caused a whiplash effect leading to your jaw hitting?

    Have you any idea what prevented your arms from taking
    the impact?

    Also, do you reckon that the fact that you were doing a drop
    was a prime factor, or could this have occurred just from
    riding forwards?

    --
    onewheeldave - Semi Skilled Unicyclist

    "He's also been known to indulge in a spot of flame juggling - but it's
    the Muni that really fires him up."

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  3. It would be exaggerating to call it a proper drop. Imagine a
    short slope down, with a step of about 8 inches down, then a
    short slope down. I went over the step and as I hit the
    bottom slope I catapulted forwards.

    As far as I can tell, the exact sequence of impacts was
    this - and it was more or less symmetrical as I went
    straight forwards:

    1) Hands hit the floor, protected by wristguards.
    2) Some of the shock transmitted up my arms cusing some
    shoulder pain later.
    3) Chest hit the floor mor or less flat.
    4) Head, which had been pulled back, whipped forwards and
    chin hit the rock.

    The rock in question was standing proud of the ground by an
    inch or two, which didn't help.

    I have had only one similar UPD, and that was on the Coker
    at high speed on the flat. On that occasion, I slid down the
    road on my belly,and managed to keep my chin off the floor.

    Tips for avoiding it? Er... buy a tricycle.

    UPDs can happen very suddenly. Usually they are no
    problem. 9 times out of ten I land on my feet, although
    occasionally I fall after a step or two. However, UPDs
    when riding down a hill can be frightening - especially if
    one of your short term objectives is to avoid trashing
    your legs on the pedals.

    I will use the Fule face helmet when this type of UPD seems
    likely: hard MUni, or high speed Cokering.

    --
    Mikefule - Roland Hope School of Unicycling

    Sometimes I ride like a demon, sometimes like a lemon. It's an L of a
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  4. Full face helmets sound like overkill to me, the chances of
    hitting your chin as you did seems very slim to me, breaking
    a wrist or leg seems like it would be much more common and
    its still low.

    The rare upd is allways out there, but a bulky downhill/bmx
    full face helmet seems like it would be more of a nucence
    and cause more upd's to me than anything else. Your accadent
    was bad and could have been much worse, but I dont think
    that its more a bad roll of the dice of life than anything
    else. I mean you could have been sprinting arround the same
    speed and tripped and had the same injury.

    Speedy Recoveries MiKE

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    odds stacked up against me I will have to fight, One Life One Wheel got
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  5. onewheeldave said:

    *I was wondering if you'd got any tips, other than wearing
    a full face helmet for avoiding this kind of jaw injury.*

    Probably learning to tuck and roll is the best way to avoid
    that type of impact injury during a hard UPD (crash).
    Martial arts training might give you the reflexes to tuck
    and roll instead of a belly flop and an excavation of the
    trail with the chin or face.

    Watching people like Kris Holm crash or bail is a lesson in
    agility. His reflexes and agility is one reason he hasn't
    been hurt doing what he does.

    Me, I'm a belly flopper. I don't have the agile reflexes or
    the tuck and roll instinct. I'm an injury waiting to happen.
    I do need to learn to tuck and roll and how to properly
    fall. I've never had any martial arts training or anything
    similar and it shows.

    It's probably a good idea for the folks wanting to ride very
    aggressively to get some martial arts training in the proper
    way to fall. And it's probably better to get that training
    when you're young and the reflexes are more trainable,
    rather than when you're older and the reflexes are more set
    in their ways.

    --
    john_childs - Guinness Mojo

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  6. john_childs said:

    *It's probably a good idea for the folks wanting to ride
    very aggressively to get some martial arts training in the
    proper way to fall. And it's probably better to get that
    training when you're young and the reflexes are more
    trainable, rather than when you're older and the reflexes
    are more set in their ways. *

    or just buy a full-face helmet

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    GILD - Waffle-[censored]

    'SPACESHIP EARTH' (therainforestsite.comhome)

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  7. GILD said:

    *

    or just buy a full-face helmet *

    That's okay if you don't think full-face helmets have a
    negative side.

    Personally, I think the most dangerous thing for a rider is
    to be tired or dehydrated, as I've had all my worst crashes
    when tired. If a full-face makes it more tiring to ride or
    makes me overheat more, then I'd not wear one.

    The trick with rolling, is that you don't need to roll head
    over heels, you can roll sideways or any which way. You just
    need to not slam straight down. Having a camelbak or other
    rucksack is particularly good for this as you roll onto your
    camelbak and don't hurt your back.

    Joe

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  8. joemarshall said:

    *The trick with rolling, is that you don't need to roll
    head over heels, you can roll sideways or any which way.
    You just need to not slam straight down. Having a camelbak
    or other rucksack is particularly good for this as you
    roll onto your camelbak and don't hurt your back.

    Joe *

    But in doing that, you might damage your camelbak! The real
    trick is to only ride in deep snow, or to not ride at all
    and spend all your time watching unicycle videos and posting
    on this site. I wouldn't recommend any of this.

    --
    paco - Proud owner of 2 opposable thumbs

    You might as well ask, which is the loudest musical instrument when it
    isn't being played.
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  9. I have a limited amount of martial arts traing, having done
    Judo many years ago. I also dance, unicycle and fence so I
    reckon my general coordination and reflexes are pretty good
    for a 41 year old.

    However, the rolling thing only works if you can dissipate
    the energy of the fall by rolling, and if you can be sure
    that you won't roll onto something worse. So if you fall
    exactly forwards, as I have done twice, then the roll will
    have to be forwards, although Iwould normally tuck one
    shoulder rather than doing a classic 'forward roll'.

    Rolling forwards down a hill may not be the best answer,
    and rolling over and hitting the next rock might be a very
    bad answer.

    Be that as it may, the protection is there for when the
    technique fails, not for when it succeeds.

    My strategy for avoiding injuries is as follows, in
    this order:
    1) Ride within my capabilities most of the time.
    2) Be selective about when I push the limits - taking into
    account surrounding obstacles and hazards which might
    exacerbate the consequences of a fall.
    3) Compensate for a temporary increase in risk by
    adjusting my speed and stance as appropriate.
    4) Run or roll out of a fall.
    5) Rely on protection such as a helmet or wristguards.

    On the occasion in question:
    6) No!
    7) Not well enough.
    8) Not nearly well enough!
    9) No realistic opportunity.
    10) Wristguards DID help; a full face helmet would
    have helped.

    I'm not a safety fascist, but I do think it's fair to share
    my experience because some of you may have made a decision
    about what you wear without fully appreciating the risk. I'm
    not a safety nerd, either. Arnold the Aardvark (Alan) will
    remember our first MUni ride together, where I wore no
    padding, gloves, or helmet, and wore a sleeveless vest and
    tried to keep up with him.

    I have now ridden a grand total of about 8 miles on a 28
    with 110 mm cranks, in the dark, in about a force 6 gusting
    7, wearing the Fule face helmet. I did not find that it
    introduced any new risks or hazards to the procedure.
    Dehydration, I'll grant you, could be a problem in the
    heat... but NOTHING makes you sweat more than a full
    Camelbak... except thinking you've broken a bone and you're
    a long way from help.

    --
    Mikefule - Roland Hope School of Unicycling

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