FS: Bacchetta Aero

"JoeG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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It has a Reynolds Ouzo Pro Aero fork, which probably shaves 3/4 pound off the weight.

Wow, that stock Kinesis carbon aero fork must be heavy. Funny, I weighed the Kinesis aluminum fork
on my Strada and it only weighed 1-1/2 pounds total WITH the front brake caliper attached.

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"JoeG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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It has a Reynolds Ouzo Pro Aero fork, which probably shaves 3/4 pound off the weight.

Wow, that stock Kinesis carbon aero fork must be heavy. Funny, I weighed the Kinesis aluminum fork
on my Strada and it only weighed 1-1/2 pounds total WITH the front brake caliper attached.

From my digital scale: Stock Kinesis carbon Aero fork: 723 grams Reynolds Ouzo Pro Aero fork
: 394 grams

Zach Kaplan

Please do not email me asking for my LOWEST price. I'm asking $3000.00 plus the actual cost of
shipping. Slightly lower offers will be entertained. Substantially lower offers are a waste of your
time, with all due respect.

"JoeG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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$3000.00 OBO Please don't call with lowball offers - if you must

negotiate,

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please do it in good faith. This is Seattle area, and you pay the shipping or pickup, or I will
deliver up to 200 miles from Seattle.

email [email hidden] with questions or to make an offer

Okay, now that we got that out of the way, it's just a normal Aero, purchased spring of this year.
There's nothing wrong it, excellent condition. How many miles? ?? It's really hard to answer this
question, because I have 6 bikes, but maybe a thousand or so?

Why am I selling it? I have Stiletto fever. I've run out of room in the bikeroom - if I get
another bike, one has to go. I tried selling the Fold Rush, no takers. It looks like the Aero is
getting voted off the island.

It has upgraded wheeset to the Spartacus Pro's (which are standard now,

but

Quoted message said:

weren't when I bought it), and a Reynolds Ouzo Pro Aero fork, which

probably

Quoted message said:

shaves 3/4 pound off the weight. It also has some rigged-up water bottle holders; these work with
a slimmer bottle size (Elite Patao cages; Bajiji bottles) - I will include a pair of these
bottles. If you like hydration bladders then you won't care about this.

Dura/Ace barcons instead of twistgrip shifters. Otherwise, it's stock. I'm including a Radical
Designs Solo bag, and the Lowrider panniers. These

last

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are REALLY cool - require no rack - they hook onto the M5 seat, weigh only 520 grams (!), and will
hold 2x12.5 liters. See www.radicaldesign.nl/en/a...niers.html for a picture. The weight
distribution's is awesome, and subjectively doesn't seem to slow me down much - I suspect this
might vary with different size riders - I'm not huge by any means, but 200 lbs., and I might have
a wider 'shadow' than some which probably shields part of the higher part of the panniers. Or
maybe not.

The Solo bag is at: www.radicaldesign.nl/en/a..._bags.html

Don't ask me to quote the weight of the bike - just go weigh an Aero at

your

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dealer and subtract 3/4 lb. and you'll be close.

Here's your chance to go fast, be cool, wow your friends. It's been proven that titanium bike
owners live longer and are better lovers.

It's a medium - I'm 5' 10"

"joeg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Please do not email me asking for my LOWEST price. I'm asking $3000.00 plus the actual cost of
shipping. Slightly lower offers will be entertained. Substantially lower offers are a waste of
your time, with

all

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due respect.

"JoeG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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$3000.00 OBO Please don't call with lowball offers - if you must

negotiate,

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please do it in good faith. This is Seattle area, and you pay the

shipping

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or pickup, or I will deliver up to 200 miles from Seattle.

email [email hidden] with questions or to make an offer

Okay, now that we got that out of the way, it's just a normal Aero, purchased spring of this
year. There's nothing wrong it, excellent condition. How many miles? ?? It's really hard to
answer this question, because I have 6 bikes, but maybe a thousand or so?

Why am I selling it? I have Stiletto fever. I've run out of room in the bikeroom - if I get
another bike, one has to go. I tried selling the

Fold

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Rush, no takers. It looks like the Aero is getting voted off the island.

It has upgraded wheeset to the Spartacus Pro's (which are standard now,

but

Quoted message said:

weren't when I bought it), and a Reynolds Ouzo Pro Aero fork, which

probably

Quoted message said:

shaves 3/4 pound off the weight. It also has some rigged-up water bottle holders; these work
with a slimmer bottle size (Elite Patao cages;

Bajiji

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

bottles) - I will include a pair of these bottles. If you like hydration bladders then you won't
care about this.

Dura/Ace barcons instead of twistgrip shifters. Otherwise, it's stock.

I'm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

including a Radical Designs Solo bag, and the Lowrider panniers. These

last

Quoted message said:

are REALLY cool - require no rack - they hook onto the M5 seat, weigh

only

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

520 grams (!), and will hold 2x12.5 liters. See www.radicaldesign.nl/en/a...niers.html for a
picture. The weight distribution's is awesome, and subjectively doesn't seem to slow me down
much - I suspect this might vary with different size riders - I'm not

huge

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by any means, but 200 lbs., and I might have a wider 'shadow' than some which probably shields
part of the higher part of the panniers. Or

maybe

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not.

The Solo bag is at: www.radicaldesign.nl/en/a..._bags.html

Don't ask me to quote the weight of the bike - just go weigh an Aero at

your

Quoted message said:

dealer and subtract 3/4 lb. and you'll be close.

Here's your chance to go fast, be cool, wow your friends. It's been

proven

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that titanium bike owners live longer and are better lovers.

... which is a difference of 0.7253134 lb. 1 1/2 lb is 680.3886 grams.

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JV

"Zach Kaplan Cycles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"TimH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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"JoeG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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It has a Reynolds Ouzo Pro Aero fork, which probably shaves 3/4 pound off the weight.

Wow, that stock Kinesis carbon aero fork must be heavy. Funny, I

weighed

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the Kinesis aluminum fork on my Strada and it only weighed 1-1/2 pounds total WITH the front
brake caliper attached.

From my digital scale: Stock Kinesis carbon Aero fork: 723 grams Reynolds Ouzo Pro Aero fork :
394 grams

Zach Kaplan

The Kinesis Airfoil is a great fork; does a terrific job of stabilizing the front wheel (and
therefore, the handling of the bike) if you're using deep rim aero wheels in crosswinds (the
Spartacus rims on the bike are not particularly deep or aerodynamic, btw, but in theory one MIGHT
put 60 mm rims on the bike - it's that kind of bike), but it ain't light. It's a boat anchor. It's
a great example of Bacchetta doing a superb job of spec'ing the bike with effective components
that aren't excessively pricey. I replaced the fork because I'm a gearhead; if I still had the old
fork I'd put it back on to sell. I very much doubt that the fancy Reynolds fork adds any
appreciable difference to my speed on any course. Or subtracts any, for that matter. The Kinesis
Airfoil is the same fork that Quintana Roo used to put on their triathlon bikes, called the
'Carbonaero' - it was hot stuff in the late 90's. The Reynolds fork is more like 2001's hot fork -
I'm not sure what this week's cool 650c aero fork is. I put the Reynolds fork on because I was
very familiar with the product and liked it, and I was (probably extremely foolishly) getting
wieght-weenie-ish about the bike.

I think the stock Aero's are plenty light, and the upgrade to this fork is not going to make
anyone's life that much (if any) better - but that's what's on the bike (I think Mr. Pinto has the
same fork on his personal bike).

"Jim Verheul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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... which is a difference of 0.7253134 lb. 1 1/2 lb is 680.3886 grams.

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JV

"Zach Kaplan Cycles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"TimH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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"JoeG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> It has a Reynolds Ouzo Pro Aero fork, which probably shaves 3/4 pound off the weight.

Wow, that stock Kinesis carbon aero fork must be heavy. Funny, I

weighed

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the Kinesis aluminum fork on my Strada and it only weighed 1-1/2

pounds

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total WITH the front brake caliper attached.

From my digital scale: Stock Kinesis carbon Aero fork: 723 grams Reynolds Ouzo Pro Aero fork :
394 grams

Zach Kaplan

Jim Verheul said:

... which is a difference of 0.7253134 lb. 1 1/2 lb is 680.3886 grams....

"Zach Kaplan Cycles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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From my digital scale: Stock Kinesis carbon Aero fork: 723 grams Reynolds Ouzo Pro Aero fork :
394 grams

No, it is not. Since Zach Kaplan provides a measurement with three significant figures, it is
incorrect to state the converted value of that figure to seven significant digits.

Using a fraction implies that the measurement is only accurate to the quantity represented by the
inverse of the denominator, therefore to maintain the same approximate degree of precision, 1 1/2
pounds should be converted to 700 grams-force.

Tom Sherman

What x-seam or body size is recommended for the medium frame size

Thanks
Terry

"joeg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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It's a medium - I'm 5' 10"

"joeg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Please do not email me asking for my LOWEST price. I'm asking $3000.00 plus the actual cost of
shipping. Slightly lower offers will be entertained. Substantially lower offers are a waste of
your time, with

all

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due respect.

"JoeG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

$3000.00 OBO Please don't call with lowball offers - if you must

negotiate,

Quoted message said:

please do it in good faith. This is Seattle area, and you pay the

shipping

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

or pickup, or I will deliver up to 200 miles from Seattle.

email [email hidden] with questions or to make an offer

Okay, now that we got that out of the way, it's just a normal Aero, purchased spring of this
year. There's nothing wrong it, excellent condition. How many miles? ?? It's really hard to
answer this

question,

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because I have 6 bikes, but maybe a thousand or so?

Why am I selling it? I have Stiletto fever. I've run out of room in

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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bikeroom - if I get another bike, one has to go. I tried selling the

Fold

Quoted message said:

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Rush, no takers. It looks like the Aero is getting voted off the

island.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It has upgraded wheeset to the Spartacus Pro's (which are standard

now,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

but

Quoted message said:

weren't when I bought it), and a Reynolds Ouzo Pro Aero fork, which

probably

Quoted message said:

shaves 3/4 pound off the weight. It also has some rigged-up water

bottle

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

holders; these work with a slimmer bottle size (Elite Patao cages;

Bajiji

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

bottles) - I will include a pair of these bottles. If you like

hydration

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

bladders then you won't care about this.

Dura/Ace barcons instead of twistgrip shifters. Otherwise, it's stock.

I'm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

including a Radical Designs Solo bag, and the Lowrider panniers. These

last

Quoted message said:

are REALLY cool - require no rack - they hook onto the M5 seat, weigh

only

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

520 grams (!), and will hold 2x12.5 liters. See www.radicaldesign.nl/en/a...niers.html for a
picture. The weight distribution's is awesome, and subjectively doesn't seem to slow me

down

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

much - I suspect this might vary with different size riders - I'm not

huge

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

by any means, but 200 lbs., and I might have a wider 'shadow' than

some

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

which probably shields part of the higher part of the panniers. Or

maybe

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Quoted message said:

not.

The Solo bag is at: www.radicaldesign.nl/en/a..._bags.html

Don't ask me to quote the weight of the bike - just go weigh an Aero

at

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

your

Quoted message said:

dealer and subtract 3/4 lb. and you'll be close.

Here's your chance to go fast, be cool, wow your friends. It's been

proven

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that titanium bike owners live longer and are better lovers.

What do you do for a living, grade lab reports?? ;-) No argument from me Tom. You are correct.

JV

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Jim Verheul said:

... which is a difference of 0.7253134 lb. 1 1/2 lb is 680.3886 grams....

"Zach Kaplan Cycles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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From my digital scale: Stock Kinesis carbon Aero fork: 723 grams Reynolds Ouzo Pro Aero fork :
394 grams

No, it is not. Since Zach Kaplan provides a measurement with three significant figures, it is
incorrect to state the converted value of that figure to seven significant digits.

Using a fraction implies that the measurement is only accurate to the quantity represented by the
inverse of the denominator, therefore to maintain the same approximate degree of precision, 1 1/2
pounds should be converted to 700 grams-force.

Tom Sherman

True the stock fork is a tad heavy, however as most know its the aerodynamic properties that
Bacchetta selected this fork for. I run the HED disk/HED-3 combo on my AERO for flat to rolling
terrain. I go to a lighter wheelset for hill climbing. Gearhead?..Since I own a candystore I can
have the candy I want...so can Zach. However, I have foun that dropping 18 lbs has done more for my
speed than anything I have done to the AERO thus far...Ta..Ta!

--
Jude....///Bacchetta AERO St. Michaels and Tilghman Island.. Maryland Wheel Doctor Cycle and Sports,
Inc 1-800-586-6645 "joeg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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The Kinesis Airfoil is a great fork; does a terrific job of stabilizing

the

Quoted message said:

front wheel (and therefore, the handling of the bike) if you're using deep rim aero wheels in
crosswinds (the Spartacus rims on the bike are not particularly deep or aerodynamic, btw, but in
theory one MIGHT put 60 mm rims on the bike - it's that kind of bike), but it ain't light. It's a
boat anchor. It's a great example of Bacchetta doing a superb job of spec'ing the bike with
effective components that aren't excessively

pricey.

Quoted message said:

I replaced the fork because I'm a gearhead; if I still had the old fork

I'd

Quoted message said:

put it back on to sell. I very much doubt that the fancy Reynolds fork adds any appreciable
difference to my speed on any course. Or subtracts any, for that matter. The Kinesis Airfoil is
the same fork that Quintana Roo used to put on their triathlon bikes, called the 'Carbonaero' - it
was hot stuff in the late 90's. The Reynolds fork is more like 2001's hot fork - I'm not sure what
this week's cool 650c aero fork is. I put the Reynolds fork on because I was very familiar with
the product and liked

it,

Quoted message said:

and I was (probably extremely foolishly) getting wieght-weenie-ish about

the

Quoted message said:

bike.

I think the stock Aero's are plenty light, and the upgrade to this fork is not going to make
anyone's life that much (if any) better - but that's what's on the bike (I think Mr. Pinto has the
same fork on his personal bike).

"Jim Verheul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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... which is a difference of 0.7253134 lb. 1 1/2 lb is 680.3886 grams.

joshmadison.comconvertOpen ↗

JV

"Zach Kaplan Cycles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"TimH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> "JoeG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> "]news:[email hidden]...
> > It has a Reynolds Ouzo Pro Aero fork, which probably shaves 3/4 pound off the weight.
>
> Wow, that stock Kinesis carbon aero fork must be heavy. Funny, I

weighed

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> the Kinesis aluminum fork on my Strada and it only weighed 1-1/2

pounds

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Quoted message said:

> total WITH the front brake caliper attached.

From my digital scale: Stock Kinesis carbon Aero fork: 723 grams Reynolds Ouzo Pro Aero fork :
394 grams

Zach Kaplan

Jim Verheul said:

What do you do for a living, grade lab reports?? ;-) No argument from me Tom. You are correct.

I taught a materials testing laboratory for three semesters while I was in graduate school, and
I did make a point of pointing out the incorrect use of significant digits when grading
laboratory reports.

Tom Sherman - Near the confluence of the Mississippi and Rock Rivers

Sold - thanks to all who responded.

"JoeG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

$3000.00 OBO Please don't call with lowball offers - if you must

negotiate,

Quoted message said:

please do it in good faith. This is Seattle area, and you pay the shipping or pickup, or I will
deliver up to 200 miles from Seattle.

email [email hidden] with questions or to make an offer

Okay, now that we got that out of the way, it's just a normal Aero, purchased spring of this year.
There's nothing wrong it, excellent condition. How many miles? ?? It's really hard to answer this
question, because I have 6 bikes, but maybe a thousand or so?

Why am I selling it? I have Stiletto fever. I've run out of room in the bikeroom - if I get
another bike, one has to go. I tried selling the Fold Rush, no takers. It looks like the Aero is
getting voted off the island.

It has upgraded wheeset to the Spartacus Pro's (which are standard now,

but

Quoted message said:

weren't when I bought it), and a Reynolds Ouzo Pro Aero fork, which

probably

Quoted message said:

shaves 3/4 pound off the weight. It also has some rigged-up water bottle holders; these work with
a slimmer bottle size (Elite Patao cages; Bajiji bottles) - I will include a pair of these
bottles. If you like hydration bladders then you won't care about this.

Dura/Ace barcons instead of twistgrip shifters. Otherwise, it's stock. I'm including a Radical
Designs Solo bag, and the Lowrider panniers. These

last

Quoted message said:

are REALLY cool - require no rack - they hook onto the M5 seat, weigh only 520 grams (!), and will
hold 2x12.5 liters. See www.radicaldesign.nl/en/a...niers.html for a picture. The weight
distribution's is awesome, and subjectively doesn't seem to slow me down much - I suspect this
might vary with different size riders - I'm not huge by any means, but 200 lbs., and I might have
a wider 'shadow' than some which probably shields part of the higher part of the panniers. Or
maybe not.

The Solo bag is at: www.radicaldesign.nl/en/a..._bags.html

Don't ask me to quote the weight of the bike - just go weigh an Aero at

your

Quoted message said:

dealer and subtract 3/4 lb. and you'll be close.

Here's your chance to go fast, be cool, wow your friends. It's been proven that titanium bike
owners live longer and are better lovers.

With all due respect to Bacchetta, I think they selected this fork because of its
price-to-effectiveness-and-zoot-factor ratio. It's an excellent choice, as I said. Probably even
better than the Reynolds at maintaining stability in crosswinds if you're riding a deep rim on the
front (i.e. 50 mm or greater). I think John Cobb proclaimed the Reynolds as the most 'aero' fork,
based on wind tunnel testing - I would guess that's some aggregation of front-on and side drag
figures. And the Reynolds is obviously a lot lighter.

whatever - either fork is a good choice, and the Aero is less than 4K, which is good strategy on
Bacchetta's part.

"Jude T. McGloin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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True the stock fork is a tad heavy, however as most know its the aerodynamic properties that
Bacchetta selected this fork for. I run the HED disk/HED-3 combo on my AERO for flat to
rolling terrain. I go to a lighter wheelset for hill climbing. Gearhead?..Since I own a
candystore I can have the candy I

want...so

Quoted message said:

can Zach. However, I have foun that dropping 18 lbs has done more for my

speed

Quoted message said:

than anything I have done to the AERO thus far...Ta..Ta!

--
Jude....///Bacchetta AERO St. Michaels and Tilghman Island.. Maryland Wheel Doctor Cycle and
Sports, Inc 1-800-586-6645 "joeg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The Kinesis Airfoil is a great fork; does a terrific job of stabilizing

the

Quoted message said:

front wheel (and therefore, the handling of the bike) if you're using

deep

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

rim aero wheels in crosswinds (the Spartacus rims on the bike are not particularly deep or
aerodynamic, btw, but in theory one MIGHT put 60 mm rims on the bike - it's that kind of bike),
but it ain't light. It's a boat anchor. It's a great example of Bacchetta doing a superb job of
spec'ing the bike with effective components that aren't excessively

pricey.

Quoted message said:

I replaced the fork because I'm a gearhead; if I still had the old fork

I'd

Quoted message said:

put it back on to sell. I very much doubt that the fancy Reynolds fork adds any appreciable
difference to my speed on any course. Or subtracts any, for that matter. The Kinesis Airfoil is
the same fork that

Quintana

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Roo used to put on their triathlon bikes, called the 'Carbonaero' - it

was

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

hot stuff in the late 90's. The Reynolds fork is more like 2001's hot fork - I'm not sure what
this week's cool 650c aero fork is. I put the Reynolds fork on because I was very familiar with
the product and liked

it,

Quoted message said:

and I was (probably extremely foolishly) getting wieght-weenie-ish about

the

Quoted message said:

bike.

I think the stock Aero's are plenty light, and the upgrade to this fork

is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

not going to make anyone's life that much (if any) better - but that's what's on the bike (I
think Mr. Pinto has the same fork on his personal bike).

"Jim Verheul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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... which is a difference of 0.7253134 lb. 1 1/2 lb is 680.3886 grams.

joshmadison.comconvertOpen ↗

JV

"Zach Kaplan Cycles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "TimH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > "JoeG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > > It has a Reynolds Ouzo Pro Aero fork, which probably shaves 3/4 pound off the weight.
> >
> > Wow, that stock Kinesis carbon aero fork must be heavy. Funny, I
weighed
> > the Kinesis aluminum fork on my Strada and it only weighed 1-1/2

pounds

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> > total WITH the front brake caliper attached.
>
> From my digital scale: Stock Kinesis carbon Aero fork: 723 grams Reynolds Ouzo Pro Aero fork
> : 394 grams
>
> Zach Kaplan

joeg said:

... whatever - either fork is a good choice, and the Aero is less than 4K, which is good strategy
on Bacchetta's part.

It is worth noting the ATP Vision dropped the price of the R-68 Saber to match the price of the
Bacchetta Aero.

Are the R-68 and Aero framesets produced by the same company?

Tom Sherman - Near the confluence of the Mississippi and Rock Rivers

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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joeg said:

... whatever - either fork is a good choice, and the Aero is less than 4K,

which

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

is good strategy on Bacchetta's part.

It is worth noting the ATP Vision dropped the price of the R-68 Saber to match the price of the
Bacchetta Aero.

Are the R-68 and Aero framesets produced by the same company?

Tom Sherman - Near the confluence of the Mississippi and Rock Rivers

You sure you don't mean R-65? I see no R-68 listed on Vision's page

Mark Leuck said:

You sure you don't mean R-65? I see no R-68 listed on Vision's page

In the 2003 Recumbent Directory published in RCN [1], the Vision R-68 Saber is listed as having a
titanium frame, carbon fork and a price of $3800 US. The information in the directory is provided to
RCN by the manufacturers, so one would assume that either the R-68 is temporarily unavailable or
dropped from ATP Vision's lineup.

[1] RCN #74 (March/April 2003, pp. 26-27)

Tom Sherman - Near the confluence of the Mississippi and Rock Rivers

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"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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joeg said:

... whatever - either fork is a good choice, and the Aero is less than 4K,

which

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

is good strategy on Bacchetta's part.

It is worth noting the ATP Vision dropped the price of the R-68 Saber to match the price of the
Bacchetta Aero.

Are the R-68 and Aero framesets produced by the same company?

Tom Sherman - Near the confluence of the Mississippi and Rock Rivers

You sure you don't mean R-65? I see no R-68 listed on Vision's page

Like he said, "(they) dropped the ... R-68 Saber"

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Vision took dealer orders for R-68's then advised the dealers they would not make any "this year".

the R-64 and R-65 are good designs, but have lower level components, compared to their competition.
My hunch is Vision is in trouble. Gator Bob Siegel "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Mark Leuck said:

You sure you don't mean R-65? I see no R-68 listed on Vision's page

In the 2003 Recumbent Directory published in RCN [1], the Vision R-68 Saber is listed as having a
titanium frame, carbon fork and a price of $3800 US. The information in the directory is provided
to RCN by the manufacturers, so one would assume that either the R-68 is temporarily unavailable
or dropped from ATP Vision's lineup.

[1] RCN #74 (March/April 2003, pp. 26-27)

Tom Sherman - Near the confluence of the Mississippi and Rock Rivers