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  1. Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking
    Michael Vandeman, Ph.D.
    March 5, 2004

    1. Why do people mountain bike?
    a. They say that using a bike allows them to get much farther, in the same
    amount of time, than they can by walking. They also maintain constant pressure
    on land managers, to open more and more trails to bikes. Of course, all of these
    trails are already open to them, if they choose to walk. They also frequently
    claim that closing trails to bikes "excludes" them from the parks. This could
    only be true if they were unable to walk. Of course, they are able to walk.
    There's nothing inherently wrong with bicycling instead of walking; we all like
    to save energy, when it's appropriate. Use of a bicycle to replace automobile
    use is obviously beneficial. However, by the same token, replacing hiking with
    mountain biking is obviously not beneficial.
    b. They are interested in the quantity of nature they can see, rather than the
    quality of their experience. While riding a bike, especially over terrain as
    rough as a trail, one has to be constantly paying attention to not crashing.
    That make it almost impossible to notice much else. By contrast, a hiker feels
    the ground, hears all the sounds and smells all the odors of nature and can stop
    instantly, if he/she finds something interesting. The brain thrives on
    stimulation. A biker has to travel several times as far as a hiker, to get the
    same stimulation as a hiker. (And, by the same token, motorcyclists have to
    travel several times as far as a bicyclist, and an auto user several times as
    far as a motorcyclist, since they are enclosed in a metal box.)
    c. They are interested in thrills. Riding a bike on a trail, especially a trail
    containing many obstacles, or a trail one is not familiar with, is very
    challenging. (But if mountain biking is the high point of your week, as it seems
    to be for many mountain bikers, you must be leading a pretty dull life, off of
    the bike!)
    d. They are interested in building mountain biking skills and competing with
    other mountain bikers. The thrill of racing drives people to spend more money on
    their bike, and ride it harder and more often. Racing, up to and including the
    Olympics, drives a lot of mountain biking. Of course, it is also extremely
    harmful to the parks and natural areas that are used for practice! It is hard to
    think of any other (legal) use of public lands, other than hunting, that is as
    harmful as mountain biking.

    2. What is driving the sport of mountain biking? Besides the attraction for
    participants, manufacturers and retailers of mountain bikes and mountain biking
    accessories, as well as "adventure" travel guides, make a lot of money from
    promoting mountain biking. Even some auto manufacturers (e.g. Subaru) promote
    and sponsor mountain biking, and try to use its popularity to sell more cars.
    The tourism industry also promotes mountain biking, among other attractions.

    3. What harm does mountain biking do?
    a. Most obvious is the acceleration of erosion. Knobby tires rip into the soil,
    loosening it and allowing rain to wash it away. They also create V-shaped
    grooves that make walking difficult or even dangerous. The mechanical advantage
    given by the gears and ball bearings allow a mountain biker to travel several
    times as fast as a hiker. Given their increased weight (rider plus bike), this
    results in vastly increased momentum, and hence much greater horizontal
    (shearing) forces on the soil. (Witness the skid marks from stops, starts, and
    turns.) According to Newton, every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
    Mountain bikes were built much stronger than other bikes, so that they could
    withstand the greater forces they were subject to on rough trails. These same
    forces, therefore, are being applied to the trails! To give a definite number,
    the winner of a 20-mile race here in Briones Regional Park averaged 13 MPH (the
    speed limit is 15 MPH -- where were the park rangers?).
    b. A hiker must be very careful not to accidentally step on small animals and
    plants on the trail. For a mountain biker, it is almost impossible to avoid
    killing countless animals and plants on and under the trail. They have to pay
    attention to controlling the bike, and can't afford to look carefully at what is
    on the trail, especially when travelling fast. And even if they happen to see,
    for example, a snake, it is hard for them to stop in time to avoid killing it. A
    hiker, when crossing a creek, will try to avoid getting wet, by crossing on
    stepping stones or logs. Mountain bikers, on the other hand, simply ride right
    through the creek bed, crushing any animals or plants that happen to be there.
    Mountain biking magazines are full of photos of mountain bikers throwing up
    spray, as they barrel through creeks. Not only do bikes destroy animals and
    plants as they ride across streams, they ride through streams stirring up
    sediment. The sediment in the water interferes with the oxygen uptake by aquatic
    life, for example, killing fish- and frog eggs. Young fish, insects, amphibians,
    and aquatic microorganisms are extremely sensitive to sediment in water.
    c. Bikes also allow people to travel several times as far as a hiker. This
    translates into several times the impacts, both on the trail and on the wildlife
    (to say nothing of the other trail users). Existing parklands are already
    inadequate to protect the wildlife that live there. When they are crisscrossed
    by mountain bikers and legal or illegal trails, their habitat becomes even more
    inadequate. Mountain bikers frequently advertise rides of 20-50 miles or more.
    Have you ever tried to walk that far in a day? In other words, allowing bikes in
    a park greatly increases human presence in that park and drives wildlife further
    from the resources that they need to survive, including water, food, and mates.
    d. Due to their width and speed, bikes can't safely pass each other on narrow
    trails. Therefore, policies that permit mountain biking also result in more
    habitat destruction, as trails are widened by bikers (or by hikers and
    equestrians jumping out of their way).
    e. Knobby mountain bike tires are ideal for carrying mud, and consequently
    exotic plants, fungi, and other organisms from place to place, resulting in the
    spread of exotic invasive species, such as weeds and Sudden Oak Death.
    f. Mountain biking is driving the very young and old off of the trails and hence
    out of the parks. Even able-bodied hikers and equestrians fear for their safety,
    and don't enjoy sharing the trails with bikes. (The mountain bikers claim that
    they are simply being selfish and "unwilling to share", but actually they have
    no problem sharing trails with mountain bikers; it is only their bikes that are
    a problem!)
    g. Mountain bikes, which are obviously built to go anywhere, teach children and
    anyone else who sees them that the rough treatment of nature is acceptable. This
    undoubtedly has a negative effect on people's treatment of nature.
    h. In order to mitigate bike-caused erosion, park managers have been resorting
    to extreme measures -- even in some cases putting a plastic matrix or other
    exotic material under the trail (e.g. in Pleasanton Ridge Regional Preserve,
    near Pleasanton, California)! It's hard to imagine that this will have a
    beneficial effect on the park and its wildlife….
    i. Allowing mountain bikes in a park greatly increases the damage to the trails,
    damage from "bootleg" (illegally created) trails, and the problems of conflicts
    between trail users, and hence the cost of maintaining the park. Considering how
    tight park budgets are, we can't afford the extra costs of policing, and
    repairing the damage from, mountain biking.

    4. Mountain bikers claim that their sport has no greater environmental impact
    than hiking. Is that true? If you read the "studies" that make that claim, you
    find that they don't really compare the impacts of hiking and mountain biking,
    but only the impacts per foot. If, for a moment, we assume that the studies are
    correct in their having equivalent impacts per foot, it would still follow that
    mountain biking has far greater impact per person, since mountain bikers
    typically travel so much farther than hikers. Besides overlooking distances
    travelled, those "studies" almost all ignore impacts on wildlife. And they don't
    study mountain biking under normal conditions -- only at a very slow speed.
    Actually, the comparison with hiking is irrelevant. It would only be relevant if
    we planned to allow only one of the two, and were considering which of the two
    is more harmful. In fact, no one is considering banning hiking. We are only
    considering adding mountain biking. Therefore, the only relevant question is,
    "Is mountain biking harmful"? (Of course, it is!) There is only one truly
    scientific study that I know of that compares the impacts of hiking and
    mountain biking. It found that mountain biking has a greater impact on elk than
    hiking (Wisdom, M. J., H. K. Preisler, N. J. Cimon, B. K. Johnson. 2004. Effects
    of Off-Road Recreation on Mule Deer and Elk. Transactions of the North American
    Wildlife and Natural Resource Conference 69: in press. Wisdom et al. 2).

    5. Where should mountain biking allowed? A couple of role models for wildlife
    protection are Yosemite National Park and East Bay Municipal Utility District
    (in Alameda and Contra Costa counties, California). They both restrict bicycles
    to paved roads, where they can't do much harm. Somehow bicyclists have managed
    to enjoy their sport for over a hundred years, without riding off-road.

    6. What should the policy be on trails? Closed to bikes, unless marked open.
    Signs that say "No Bikes" are quickly and repeatedly ripped out of the ground by
    mountain bikers.

    7. Isn't it discriminatory to allow hikers and equestrians on trails, but not
    mountain bikers? Mountain bikers love to say this, apparently because they think
    it will gain them some sympathy. The truth is that mountain bikers have exactly
    the same access to trails that everyone else has! It is only their bikes that
    are banned. If mountain bikers were really being discriminated against, they
    could easily go to court to gain access. However … they already have access to
    every trail in the world!

    8. Don't I have a right to mountain bike on all public lands? I am a taxpayer!
    The public has the right, through its elected representatives, to restrict how
    land is used. A federal court has already ruled that there is no right to
    mountain bike. It is a privilege, and any land manager who gives a good reason
    (such as safety or protecting the environment) can keep bikes off of trails (see
    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/mtb10.htm).

    9. Don't mountain bikers do some good things, like trail construction and trail
    maintenance? Trail construction destroys wildlife habitat both directly (by
    killing plants and animals) and indirectly (by reducing the size of the
    intervening "islands" of habitat). Moreover, mountain bikers favor trails that
    are "twisty" (sinuous), bumpy, and full of obstacles that provide thrills for
    mountain bikers. Such designs increase habitat destruction (by lengthening the
    trail) and make the trails less useful for hikers and equestrians. Trail
    maintenance sounds good, until you realize that it would hardly be necessary, if
    bikes weren't allowed there. The mountain bikers are the main reason why trail
    maintenance is necessary! Trails used only by hikers require hardly any
    maintenance. Therefore, admitting bicycles to a park greatly increases its cost
    of maintenance. Nothing is really "free", including trail construction and
    maintenance. (How does the saying go? "Beware of Trojans bearing gifts"?)

    10. But don't mountain bikers provide added safety, by being able to quickly
    summon help in the event of an emergency? I would rather trust in a cell phone,
    than a speeding mountain biker. Besides, natural areas are already one of the
    safest places you can be. In over 50 years of hiking and backpacking, I have
    never witnessed any situation requiring emergency aid. Most people go to natural
    areas partly for solitude. If we wanted to be around large, fast-moving pieces
    of machinery, we would stay in the city!

    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

  2. "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking
    Michael Vandeman, Ph.D.
    March 5, 2004

    You get the troll of the year awards, you LIAR. Here is your prize

    ****PLONK****

  3. vandeman is grade A plonk material. classic I know many MTB fans who walk as
    much as they ride.. what is this kid on about ?

    "Jason" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking
    Michael Vandeman, Ph.D.
    March 5, 2004

    You get the troll of the year awards, you LIAR. Here is your prize

    ****PLONK****

  4. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You get the troll of the year awards, you LIAR. Here is your prize

    ****PLONK****

    I second that *Plonk*

  5. On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:16:08 -0500, "Jason" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    ..
    .."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    ..news:[email hidden]...
    ..> Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking
    ..> Michael Vandeman, Ph.D.
    ..> March 5, 2004
    ..>
    ..
    ..You get the troll of the year awards, you LIAR. Here is your prize
    ..
    ..****PLONK****

    And I should care because ... ?
    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

  6. I just returned from the Grand Canyon. Erosion is a good thing. What a
    beauty.

    "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking
    Michael Vandeman, Ph.D.
    March 5, 2004

    1. Why do people mountain bike?
    a. They say that using a bike allows them to get much farther, in the same
    amount of time, than they can by walking. They also maintain constant


    pressure

    Quoted message said:

    on land managers, to open more and more trails to bikes. Of course, all of


    these

    Quoted message said:

    trails are already open to them, if they choose to walk. They also


    frequently

    Quoted message said:

    claim that closing trails to bikes "excludes" them from the parks. This


    could

    Quoted message said:

    only be true if they were unable to walk. Of course, they are able to


    walk.

    Quoted message said:

    There's nothing inherently wrong with bicycling instead of walking; we all


    like

    Quoted message said:

    to save energy, when it's appropriate. Use of a bicycle to replace


    automobile

    Quoted message said:

    use is obviously beneficial. However, by the same token, replacing hiking


    with

    Quoted message said:

    mountain biking is obviously not beneficial.
    b. They are interested in the quantity of nature they can see, rather than


    the

    Quoted message said:

    quality of their experience. While riding a bike, especially over terrain


    as

    Quoted message said:

    rough as a trail, one has to be constantly paying attention to not


    crashing.

    Quoted message said:

    That make it almost impossible to notice much else. By contrast, a hiker


    feels

    Quoted message said:

    the ground, hears all the sounds and smells all the odors of nature and


    can stop

    Quoted message said:

    instantly, if he/she finds something interesting. The brain thrives on
    stimulation. A biker has to travel several times as far as a hiker, to get


    the

    Quoted message said:

    same stimulation as a hiker. (And, by the same token, motorcyclists have


    to

    Quoted message said:

    travel several times as far as a bicyclist, and an auto user several times


    as

    Quoted message said:

    far as a motorcyclist, since they are enclosed in a metal box.)
    c. They are interested in thrills. Riding a bike on a trail, especially a


    trail

    Quoted message said:

    containing many obstacles, or a trail one is not familiar with, is very
    challenging. (But if mountain biking is the high point of your week, as it


    seems

    Quoted message said:

    to be for many mountain bikers, you must be leading a pretty dull life,


    off of

    Quoted message said:

    the bike!)
    d. They are interested in building mountain biking skills and competing


    with

    Quoted message said:

    other mountain bikers. The thrill of racing drives people to spend more


    money on

    Quoted message said:

    their bike, and ride it harder and more often. Racing, up to and including


    the

    Quoted message said:

    Olympics, drives a lot of mountain biking. Of course, it is also extremely
    harmful to the parks and natural areas that are used for practice! It is


    hard to

    Quoted message said:

    think of any other (legal) use of public lands, other than hunting, that


    is as

    Quoted message said:

    harmful as mountain biking.

    2. What is driving the sport of mountain biking? Besides the attraction


    for

    Quoted message said:

    participants, manufacturers and retailers of mountain bikes and mountain


    biking

    Quoted message said:

    accessories, as well as "adventure" travel guides, make a lot of money


    from

    Quoted message said:

    promoting mountain biking. Even some auto manufacturers (e.g. Subaru)


    promote

    Quoted message said:

    and sponsor mountain biking, and try to use its popularity to sell more


    cars.

    Quoted message said:

    The tourism industry also promotes mountain biking, among other


    attractions.

    Quoted message said:


    3. What harm does mountain biking do?
    a. Most obvious is the acceleration of erosion. Knobby tires rip into the


    soil,

    Quoted message said:

    loosening it and allowing rain to wash it away. They also create V-shaped
    grooves that make walking difficult or even dangerous. The mechanical


    advantage

    Quoted message said:

    given by the gears and ball bearings allow a mountain biker to travel


    several

    Quoted message said:

    times as fast as a hiker. Given their increased weight (rider plus bike),


    this

    Quoted message said:

    results in vastly increased momentum, and hence much greater horizontal
    (shearing) forces on the soil. (Witness the skid marks from stops, starts,


    and

    Quoted message said:

    turns.) According to Newton, every action has an equal and opposite


    reaction.

    Quoted message said:

    Mountain bikes were built much stronger than other bikes, so that they


    could

    Quoted message said:

    withstand the greater forces they were subject to on rough trails. These


    same

    Quoted message said:

    forces, therefore, are being applied to the trails! To give a definite


    number,

    Quoted message said:

    the winner of a 20-mile race here in Briones Regional Park averaged 13 MPH


    (the

    Quoted message said:

    speed limit is 15 MPH -- where were the park rangers?).
    b. A hiker must be very careful not to accidentally step on small animals


    and

    Quoted message said:

    plants on the trail. For a mountain biker, it is almost impossible to


    avoid

    Quoted message said:

    killing countless animals and plants on and under the trail. They have to


    pay

    Quoted message said:

    attention to controlling the bike, and can't afford to look carefully at


    what is

    Quoted message said:

    on the trail, especially when travelling fast. And even if they happen to


    see,

    Quoted message said:

    for example, a snake, it is hard for them to stop in time to avoid killing


    it. A

    Quoted message said:

    hiker, when crossing a creek, will try to avoid getting wet, by crossing


    on

    Quoted message said:

    stepping stones or logs. Mountain bikers, on the other hand, simply ride


    right

    Quoted message said:

    through the creek bed, crushing any animals or plants that happen to be


    there.

    Quoted message said:

    Mountain biking magazines are full of photos of mountain bikers throwing


    up

    Quoted message said:

    spray, as they barrel through creeks. Not only do bikes destroy animals


    and

    Quoted message said:

    plants as they ride across streams, they ride through streams stirring up
    sediment. The sediment in the water interferes with the oxygen uptake by


    aquatic

    Quoted message said:

    life, for example, killing fish- and frog eggs. Young fish, insects,


    amphibians,

    Quoted message said:

    and aquatic microorganisms are extremely sensitive to sediment in water.
    c. Bikes also allow people to travel several times as far as a hiker. This
    translates into several times the impacts, both on the trail and on the


    wildlife

    Quoted message said:

    (to say nothing of the other trail users). Existing parklands are already
    inadequate to protect the wildlife that live there. When they are


    crisscrossed

    Quoted message said:

    by mountain bikers and legal or illegal trails, their habitat becomes even


    more

    Quoted message said:

    inadequate. Mountain bikers frequently advertise rides of 20-50 miles or


    more.

    Quoted message said:

    Have you ever tried to walk that far in a day? In other words, allowing


    bikes in

    Quoted message said:

    a park greatly increases human presence in that park and drives wildlife


    further

    Quoted message said:

    from the resources that they need to survive, including water, food, and


    mates.

    Quoted message said:

    d. Due to their width and speed, bikes can't safely pass each other on


    narrow

    Quoted message said:

    trails. Therefore, policies that permit mountain biking also result in


    more

    Quoted message said:

    habitat destruction, as trails are widened by bikers (or by hikers and
    equestrians jumping out of their way).
    e. Knobby mountain bike tires are ideal for carrying mud, and consequently
    exotic plants, fungi, and other organisms from place to place, resulting


    in the

    Quoted message said:

    spread of exotic invasive species, such as weeds and Sudden Oak Death.
    f. Mountain biking is driving the very young and old off of the trails and


    hence

    Quoted message said:

    out of the parks. Even able-bodied hikers and equestrians fear for their


    safety,

    Quoted message said:

    and don't enjoy sharing the trails with bikes. (The mountain bikers claim


    that

    Quoted message said:

    they are simply being selfish and "unwilling to share", but actually they


    have

    Quoted message said:

    no problem sharing trails with mountain bikers; it is only their bikes


    that are

    Quoted message said:

    a problem!)
    g. Mountain bikes, which are obviously built to go anywhere, teach


    children and

    Quoted message said:

    anyone else who sees them that the rough treatment of nature is


    acceptable. This

    Quoted message said:

    undoubtedly has a negative effect on people's treatment of nature.
    h. In order to mitigate bike-caused erosion, park managers have been


    resorting

    Quoted message said:

    to extreme measures -- even in some cases putting a plastic matrix or


    other

    Quoted message said:

    exotic material under the trail (e.g. in Pleasanton Ridge Regional


    Preserve,

    Quoted message said:

    near Pleasanton, California)! It's hard to imagine that this will have a
    beneficial effect on the park and its wildlife..
    i. Allowing mountain bikes in a park greatly increases the damage to the


    trails,

    Quoted message said:

    damage from "bootleg" (illegally created) trails, and the problems of


    conflicts

    Quoted message said:

    between trail users, and hence the cost of maintaining the park.


    Considering how

    Quoted message said:

    tight park budgets are, we can't afford the extra costs of policing, and
    repairing the damage from, mountain biking.

    4. Mountain bikers claim that their sport has no greater environmental


    impact

    Quoted message said:

    than hiking. Is that true? If you read the "studies" that make that claim,


    you

    Quoted message said:

    find that they don't really compare the impacts of hiking and mountain


    biking,

    Quoted message said:

    but only the impacts per foot. If, for a moment, we assume that the


    studies are

    Quoted message said:

    correct in their having equivalent impacts per foot, it would still follow


    that

    Quoted message said:

    mountain biking has far greater impact per person, since mountain bikers
    typically travel so much farther than hikers. Besides overlooking


    distances

    Quoted message said:

    travelled, those "studies" almost all ignore impacts on wildlife. And they


    don't

    Quoted message said:

    study mountain biking under normal conditions -- only at a very slow


    speed.

    Quoted message said:

    Actually, the comparison with hiking is irrelevant. It would only be


    relevant if

    Quoted message said:

    we planned to allow only one of the two, and were considering which of the


    two

    Quoted message said:

    is more harmful. In fact, no one is considering banning hiking. We are


    only

    Quoted message said:

    considering adding mountain biking. Therefore, the only relevant question


    is,

    Quoted message said:

    "Is mountain biking harmful"? (Of course, it is!) There is only one truly
    scientific study that I know of that compares the impacts of hiking and
    mountain biking. It found that mountain biking has a greater impact on elk


    than

    Quoted message said:

    hiking (Wisdom, M. J., H. K. Preisler, N. J. Cimon, B. K. Johnson. 2004.


    Effects

    Quoted message said:

    of Off-Road Recreation on Mule Deer and Elk. Transactions of the North


    American

    Quoted message said:

    Wildlife and Natural Resource Conference 69: in press. Wisdom et al. 2).

    5. Where should mountain biking allowed? A couple of role models for


    wildlife

    Quoted message said:

    protection are Yosemite National Park and East Bay Municipal Utility


    District

    Quoted message said:

    (in Alameda and Contra Costa counties, California). They both restrict


    bicycles

    Quoted message said:

    to paved roads, where they can't do much harm. Somehow bicyclists have


    managed

    Quoted message said:

    to enjoy their sport for over a hundred years, without riding off-road.

    6. What should the policy be on trails? Closed to bikes, unless marked


    open.

    Quoted message said:

    Signs that say "No Bikes" are quickly and repeatedly ripped out of the


    ground by

    Quoted message said:

    mountain bikers.

    7. Isn't it discriminatory to allow hikers and equestrians on trails, but


    not

    Quoted message said:

    mountain bikers? Mountain bikers love to say this, apparently because they


    think

    Quoted message said:

    it will gain them some sympathy. The truth is that mountain bikers have


    exactly

    Quoted message said:

    the same access to trails that everyone else has! It is only their bikes


    that

    Quoted message said:

    are banned. If mountain bikers were really being discriminated against,


    they

    Quoted message said:

    could easily go to court to gain access. However . they already have


    access to

    Quoted message said:

    every trail in the world!

    8. Don't I have a right to mountain bike on all public lands? I am a


    taxpayer!

    Quoted message said:

    The public has the right, through its elected representatives, to restrict


    how

    Quoted message said:

    land is used. A federal court has already ruled that there is no right to
    mountain bike. It is a privilege, and any land manager who gives a good


    reason

    Quoted message said:

    (such as safety or protecting the environment) can keep bikes off of


    trails (see

    Quoted message said:

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/mtb10.htm).

    9. Don't mountain bikers do some good things, like trail construction and


    trail

    Quoted message said:

    maintenance? Trail construction destroys wildlife habitat both directly


    (by

    Quoted message said:

    killing plants and animals) and indirectly (by reducing the size of the
    intervening "islands" of habitat). Moreover, mountain bikers favor trails


    that

    Quoted message said:

    are "twisty" (sinuous), bumpy, and full of obstacles that provide thrills


    for

    Quoted message said:

    mountain bikers. Such designs increase habitat destruction (by lengthening


    the

  7. On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:53:19 -0600, "Gary" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I just returned from the Grand Canyon. Erosion is a good thing. What a
    beauty.


    We really need to stop the mountain bikers whose trail erosion led to
    the Grand Canyon.

    Happy trails,
    Gary (net.yogi.bear)
    ------------------------------------------------
    at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence

    Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
    Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

  8. "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking
    Michael Vandeman, Ph.D.
    March 5, 2004

    So mountain bikers are responsible for the extinction of the Dinosaurs right
    Mike? You do realize when you roll over in bed, you are KILLING lots of
    dust mites and other animals don't you?

    A.S.

  9. On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:01:23 GMT, Trekkie Dad <[email hidden]> wrote:

    ..In article <[email hidden]>,
    .. Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> wrote:
    ..
    ..> 1. Why do people mountain bike?
    ..
    ..Now that's a question worth discussing!
    ..
    ..There are as many reasons as there are mountain bikers. Some do it for
    ..the exercise, some for the scenery, some just enjoy being outdoors on a
    ..bike. Some enjoy the challenge of a hard climb. Others get an adrenaline
    ..rush from riding downhill. To some it's a comptetitive sport. To others
    ..it's simply recreation. Some pride themselves on finesse--"cleaning" a
    ..section of trail without putting a foot down. Others take pride in
    ..getting through the same section with out falling down.
    ..
    ..For some, it's the company and cameraderie of other riders. For others,
    ..it's all about silence and solitude. Some mountain bikers ride without
    ..stopping and stay focused on the trail. Others carry binoculars or
    ..cameras, stopping frequently to watch birds or photograph wildlife.
    ..
    ..We are often passionate about riding and protective about the trails we
    ..ride. We love them no less than those who travel by foot or horse. We
    ..don't want our trails turned into housing developments or golf courses.
    ..
    ..If you want to know why people mountain bike, don't ask a failed
    ..academic who can barely ride a bike. Ask the people who are out there
    ..riding!

    You missed the point, as usual. None of those are reasons to use a bike, because
    you can get those things without one.

    Now go back to sleep.

    ..Gary "Trekkie Dad" Colburn, Master of Music, teacher to hundreds (if not
    ..thousands) of children over the past 32 years, respected colleague,
    ..dedicated "roadie", and occasional mountain biker.

    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Mike Vandeman said:

    On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:01:23 GMT, Trekkie Dad <[email hidden]> wrote:

    .In article <[email hidden]>,
    . Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> wrote:
    .
    .> 1. Why do people mountain bike?
    .
    .Now that's a question worth discussing!
    .
    .There are as many reasons as there are mountain bikers. Some do it for
    .the exercise, some for the scenery, some just enjoy being outdoors on a
    .bike. Some enjoy the challenge of a hard climb. Others get an adrenaline
    .rush from riding downhill. To some it's a comptetitive sport. To others
    .it's simply recreation. Some pride themselves on finesse--"cleaning" a
    .section of trail without putting a foot down. Others take pride in
    .getting through the same section with out falling down.
    .
    .For some, it's the company and cameraderie of other riders. For others,
    .it's all about silence and solitude. Some mountain bikers ride without
    .stopping and stay focused on the trail. Others carry binoculars or
    .cameras, stopping frequently to watch birds or photograph wildlife.
    .
    .We are often passionate about riding and protective about the trails we
    .ride. We love them no less than those who travel by foot or horse. We
    .don't want our trails turned into housing developments or golf courses.
    .
    .If you want to know why people mountain bike, don't ask a failed
    .academic who can barely ride a bike. Ask the people who are out there
    .riding!

    You missed the point, as usual. None of those are reasons to use a bike,
    because
    you can get those things without one.

    To your little narrow mind, perhaps. It's the kind of remark we've all
    come to expect from you.

    TD

    --
    [email hidden]
    World Without Cars Dictionary of Vandemisms (2001) is available at:
    http://trekkiedad.freeservers.com/wwc.html
    ICQ# available on request

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