French tires?

W K said:

Thats different from expressing a view. France said "hey ... does this need to be done now ... so
fast". If that election went the other way I doubt that it would have been now and so fast.
Otherwise there would be no difference between the two US parties.

No, that's *not* what France said. What France said was closer to "there is no way we will endanger
our lucrative contracts with Iraq by ever supporting any military action against them, regardless of
their aggression, conduct, or support of terrorism."

There *were* many countries that expressed the attitude you describe above. But not France.

mike

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The French are not supporting us now, and they certainly did not support us in 1988 when we
were giving S.
H. millions to help him kill Iranians.

Those damn French Fries and tires

Steve

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I was just about to buy a few set's of new tires and wanted to stay away from any french brands
I believe Michelin are made in france are any others?

Try Continentals, from Germany, or Panaracers, from Japan. By the way, proper nouns are
capitalized (e.g., "[censored]"; "Mao"; "Stalin"; "Limbaugh"😉 and the plural form of set is sets, you
knuckle-dragging droolie.

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Tim McNamara said:

Perhaps part of this is that Europeans have had two major, devastating wars on their soil in the
past century. Americans haven't had a major war on US soil since the Civil War- no one alive
remembers it.

A few months ago I was on vacation SCUBA diving in Hawaii. Oddly enough, there seemed to be a
large display concerning a war where the US involvement started with an attack on US soil. It was
quite a bit later than the US Civil War, too, happening in late 1941. I'm surprised that you
hadn't heard of it, Mr. McNamara. Of course, that may have been part of some vast conspiracy, as
some posters have alleged concerning the current Iraqi fracas. But, as a Navy veteran, I don't
think so.

Actually Hawaii was stolen from the Hawaiians to support US business interests.

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W K said:

Thats different from expressing a view. France said "hey ... does this need to be done now ...
so fast". If that election went the other way I doubt that it would have been now

and

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so fast. Otherwise there would be no difference between the two US parties.

No, that's *not* what France said. What France said was closer to "there is no way we will
endanger our lucrative contracts with Iraq by ever supporting any military action against them,
regardless of their aggression, conduct, or support of terrorism."

[censored]!

All of the lucrative oil contracts will now go to "Stealth" [censored] Cheney and friends.

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There *were* many countries that expressed the attitude you describe above. But not France.

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George-<< For chrissake, here we go again. George F. Johnson A veteran for peace

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Michelin is French. I think Avocet is as well.

I really like French women, I don't think that I can give

them up!

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Again :-( ..... a "patriot" targeting France ?!?

Better leave politics to politicians...and talk Cycling!

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You dont want to ride with French tires Pete ?!? It's up to you. Go ahead if its your way to heal
your political frustration ... us, real cyclists will ride and enjoy best products, whether there
are from France, Irak or Mars....because cycling makes a better life.

Again, leave politics to politicians....and enjoy peacefull cycling

Oh No! Patriotic Americans should support their country and its friends by buying reliable
Anglo-American brands. I, for one, have:

-replaced all my Michelin tires with Hutchinsons;

-replaced my TA cranks with Stronglights;

-junked my Bic pens in favor of Watermans;

-thrown out all my Truffaut and other French videos and replaced them with reliable fare from MGM
and Universal;

-poured out several bottles of Perrier and bought a case of Poland Spring water instead;

-cancelled any plans to visit France and commenced my own boycott of anything from Disney; we're
taking the kids to Universal/Orlando instead.

Peter Storey "Firmly in the right column - the fifth one"

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anonymous said:

Those of you boycotting French products might be interested in an article in the Wall Street
Journal.

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That is, if you are a subscriber.

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South Carolina decided that it would be the patriotic thing to do to boycott French products.
Then they discovered that there were Michelin tire plants all over South Carolina. Suddenly, the
bill that had been introduced to formalize the boycott disappeared from the State Senate.

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There are several interesting ethical questions in this behavior, but I think it points out the
problems with being short sighted.

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This syndrome is also known a the conservative approach, aka knee jerk. A liberal view would
investigate more than the most obvious aspect of an issue after having been trolled by the John
Wayne Justice perception. "I can tell black hats from white hats and to hell with liberalism.
Six-gun the [censored]!" Let's go to war! We know who the bad guys are.

Jobst Brandt [email hidden] Palo Alto CA

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Well if you are a veteran for peace I would think you would be upset

with a

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country that sells equipment including nuclear supplies and gives moral support to someone we
are at war with.

Is Lance Armstrong a traitor?

He's loyal - but only to cash and himself.

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He said he would race in the Tour de France, war or no war. Should Bush let him back in the US
if he wins the Tour?

Yes. Anyone who has eaten French fries, used a French letter, given or received a French kiss,
competed in a French sport or driven a French car should be tried for Anti-US activities in the
US. Mark Lee

Are you related to Wen Ho Lee?

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Tim McNamara said:

Perhaps part of this is that Europeans have had two major, devastating wars on their soil in the
past century. Americans haven't had a major war on US soil since the Civil War- no one alive
remembers it.

A few months ago I was on vacation SCUBA diving in Hawaii. Oddly enough, there seemed to be a
large display concerning a war where the US involvement started with an attack on US soil. It was
quite a bit later than the US Civil War, too, happening in late 1941. I'm surprised that you
hadn't heard of it, Mr. McNamara.

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Tim McNamara said:

Perhaps part of this is that Europeans have had two major,

devastating

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wars on their soil in the past century. Americans haven't had a

major

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war on US soil since the Civil War- no one alive remembers it.

A few months ago I was on vacation SCUBA diving in Hawaii. Oddly enough, there seemed to be a
large display concerning a war where the US involvement started with an attack on US soil. It was
quite a bit later than the US Civil War, too, happening in late 1941.

Yes, WWII was a major war, and yes, some action took place on US soil (mainly in US waters -- it was
principally ships that were attacked), but to suggest that there is any closeness between the amount
of fighting that took place on US soil as opposed to on European soil in WWII is, at best,
disengenuous and at worst, plain old stupid.

JT

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Oh No! Patriotic Americans should support their country and its friends by buying reliable
Anglo-American brands. I, for one, have:

-replaced all my Michelin tires with Hutchinsons;

-replaced my TA cranks with Stronglights;

-junked my Bic pens in favor of Watermans;

-thrown out all my Truffaut and other French videos and replaced them with reliable fare from MGM
and Universal;

-poured out several bottles of Perrier and bought a case of Poland Spring water instead;

I believe Calistoga water would do as well.

Pete Russell said:

Once again I will mention that in my origonal post I did not mention war or boycot just that I did
not want to buy french TIRES maby their rubber isn't as good or something it was most of you folks
that twisted it into a political thread.

Suuure.

I think this makes it into the class of lie that insults the people it is told to merely by the
suggestion that they might believe it.

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Oh No! Patriotic Americans should support their country and its friends by buying reliable
Anglo-American brands. I, for one, have:

-replaced all my Michelin tires with Hutchinsons;

-replaced my TA cranks with Stronglights;

I presume this was posted with tongue firmly in cheek? Hutchinson and Stronglight, despite the
very English-sounding names, are both French companies anyway (the latter being owned by Zefal,
the pump people)!

David E. Belcher

Dept. of Chemistry, University of York

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Oh No! Patriotic Americans should support their country and its friends by buying reliable
Anglo-American brands. I, for one, have:

-replaced all my Michelin tires with Hutchinsons;

-replaced my TA cranks with Stronglights;

I presume this was posted with tongue firmly in cheek? Hutchinson and Stronglight, despite the
very English-sounding names, are both French companies anyway (the latter being owned by Zefal,
the pump people)!

Oh dear. Well, thanks for the explanation. I think I'll pour out all my French cognac and stick to
good old Hennessey.

He didn't suggest anything about how much was fought on US soil versus how much on European
soil, did he?

I believe he was pointing out the partially incorrect statement that the US hadn't had a major war
on our soil - certainly the loss of 3000 at Pearl might count is some history books.

BB

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Tim McNamara said:

Perhaps part of this is that Europeans have had two major, devastating wars on their soil in the
past century. Americans haven't had a major war on US soil since the Civil War- no one alive
remembers it.

A few months ago I was on vacation SCUBA diving in Hawaii. Oddly enough, there seemed to be a
large display concerning a war where the US involvement started with an attack on US soil. It was
quite a bit later than the US Civil War, too, happening in late 1941. I'm surprised that you
hadn't heard of it, Mr. McNamara.

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Tim McNamara said:

Perhaps part of this is that Europeans have had two major,

devastating

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wars on their soil in the past century. Americans haven't had a

major

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war on US soil since the Civil War- no one alive remembers it.

A few months ago I was on vacation SCUBA diving in Hawaii. Oddly enough, there seemed to be a
large display concerning a war where the US involvement started with an attack on US soil. It was
quite a bit later than the US Civil War, too, happening in late 1941.

Yes, WWII was a major war, and yes, some action took place on US soil (mainly in US waters -- it
was principally ships that were attacked), but to suggest that there is any closeness between the
amount of fighting that took place on US soil as opposed to on European soil in WWII is, at best,
disengenuous and at worst, plain old stupid.

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Oh No! Patriotic Americans should support their country and its friends by buying reliable
Anglo-American brands. I, for one, have:

-replaced all my Michelin tires with Hutchinsons;

-replaced my TA cranks with Stronglights;

-junked my Bic pens in favor of Watermans;

-thrown out all my Truffaut and other French videos and replaced them with reliable fare from
MGM and Universal;

-poured out several bottles of Perrier and bought a case of Poland Spring water instead;

I believe Calistoga water would do as well.

Perrier owns Calistoga (or was that the joke?)

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"Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote

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"Peter Storey" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Oh No! Patriotic Americans should support their country and its friends by buying reliable
Anglo-American brands. I, for one, have:

-replaced all my Michelin tires with Hutchinsons;

-replaced my TA cranks with Stronglights;

-junked my Bic pens in favor of Watermans;

-thrown out all my Truffaut and other French videos and replaced them with reliable fare from
MGM and Universal;

-poured out several bottles of Perrier and bought a case of Poland Spring water instead;

I believe Calistoga water would do as well.

Perrier owns Calistoga

My goodness, now wouldn't that be ironic?

Yeah, but we can colonise them slowly. first, we colonize their language and then the rest.
Stronglight , Hutchinsons, we will send Lance to the French Tour...

Andres

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Oh No! Patriotic Americans should support their country and its friends by buying reliable
Anglo-American brands. I, for one, have:

-replaced all my Michelin tires with Hutchinsons;

-replaced my TA cranks with Stronglights;

I presume this was posted with tongue firmly in cheek? Hutchinson and Stronglight, despite the
very English-sounding names, are both French companies anyway (the latter being owned by Zefal,
the pump people)!

David E. Belcher

Dept. of Chemistry, University of York

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Yeah, but we can colonise them slowly. first, we colonize their language and then the rest.
Stronglight , Hutchinsons, we will send Lance to the French Tour...

Andres

Damn right, Andres. After all, it worked pretty well in England. Look at a current map of the place,
and you'll see places named after Boston and Gloucester MA, Chester PA, Albany NY, Camden ME,
Richmond VA, Manchester NH --- well, I could go on and on. In fact, we colonized them so well, they
even speak English!!!

France is coming along a little more slowly, but I understand they already have a town named after
Paris, Texas. Pretty soon, we'll have them doing all sorts of American things --- like making
casseroles for the church fete and buying fat-free sorbet at the supermarket.

Peter Storey

(Fortunately, England was last conquered by an ordinary fella named Norman. Can you imagine if he'd
been French?)