Freire out of Tour

Claro said:

There is no "boil"

Of course, just as There Is No Spoon. I don't know what the
accepted medical terms are for boil / cyst / carbuncle, but
I do know you don't want to sit on your perineum for 4 hours
a day when it is kaputt.

Claro said:

As a practicing emergency physician for 15 years, I can
tell you that the reason given - the doctors told him he
must be off the bike 10 days after "a boil was removed
from his butt" is a load of excrement. There is no "boil",
unless it were some sort of metastatic cancer that would
REQUIRE that. There is something foul smelling coming from
that butt story I'll tell you. It smell like doping to me.

I sure hope I never end up in your emergency room Sport.

-- Boils and "in-grown hairs": Both of these are from
bacterial infections. "In-grown hairs," or folliculitis, is
not such a problem, occurs frequently where you have a lot
of rubbing and a lot of hair in tight clothing, and tend to
heal on their own without causing pain. On the other hand,
boils, or furuncle, which look a lot like acne are from
bacterial infections, and can become large, hard, and
really, really hurt! You really don't want to get a boil in
the wrong place, or your bike won't seem so friendly to you
anymore! If this is a frequent problem, ask your physician
about preventative treatment with anti-bacterial ointments.
The important lesson here is to always wear clean shorts,
and to get out of your cycling clothes as soon as you can
after a ride.

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To Crockett and Dronkert, Ok so it hurts a bit at the time.
After an I&D and some strong antibiotics the infection
should clear in a day or two leaving a small incision that
should be less painful than some road rash. Perhaps it could
take a little longer, but in almost all typical cases, it is
healed within a week and the pain is mostly gone well before
that. You must remember that these guys are professional
athletes and their career is built on participation in the
Tour and similar big ticket events. They are not wimpy and
have been know to complete the enite Tour with a broken
clavicle - something FAR more painful than a zit 10 days
after it was drained.

As far as being my patient in the ED, I'd treat you like I
would any other person with a boil on their butt and a very
low tolerance for pain. I'd also realize that you were not
World Road Race Champion or Tour De France material, but I'd
keep that to myself.

Quoted message said:

From: "Claro"

Quoted message said:

To Crockett and Dronkert, Ok so it hurts a bit at the time.
After an I&D and some strong antibiotics the infection
should clear in a day or two leaving a small incision that
should be less painful than some road rash. Perhaps it
could take a little longer, but in almost all typical
cases, it is healed within a week and the pain is mostly
gone well before that. You must remember that these guys
are professional athletes and their career is built on
participation in the Tour and similar big ticket events.
They are not wimpy and have been know to complete the enite
Tour with a broken clavicle - something FAR more painful
than a zit 10 days after it was drained.

As far as being my patient in the ED, I'd treat you like I
would any other person with a boil on their butt and a very
low tolerance for pain. I'd also realize that you were not
World Road Race Champion or Tour De France material, but
I'd keep that to myself.

Now, *with content* (IMHO)

Quoted message said:

From: "Claro"

Quoted message said:

You must remember that these guys are professional
athletes and their career is built on participation in the
Tour and similar big ticket events. They are not wimpy and
have been know to complete the enite Tour with a broken
clavicle - something FAR more painful than a zit 10 days
after it was drained.

At least a couple of names come up. Merckx, Kelly. Boils,
out of races. Also not wimps by all accounts.

Quoted message said:

Perhaps it could take a little longer, but in almost all
typical cases, it is healed within a week and the pain is
mostly gone well before that.

Maybe the ten days was a form of quarrantine, IOW mandatory
rest (not just a pain issue).

Quoted message said:

I'd also realize that you were not World Road Race Champion
or Tour De France material, but I'd keep that >to myself.

And the put-down. Atta boy, doc. --TP

Claro said:

To Crockett and Dronkert, Ok so it hurts a bit at the
time. After an I&D and some strong antibiotics the
infection should clear in a day or two leaving a small
incision that should be less painful than some road rash.
Perhaps it could take a little longer, but in almost all
typical cases, it is healed within a week and the pain is
mostly gone well before that. You must remember that these
guys are professional athletes and their career is built
on participation in the Tour and similar big ticket
events. They are not wimpy and have been know to complete
the enite Tour with a broken clavicle - something FAR more
painful than a zit 10 days after it was drained.

As far as being my patient in the ED, I'd treat you like I
would any other person with a boil on their butt and a
very low tolerance for pain. I'd also realize that you
were not World Road Race Champion or Tour De France
material, but I'd keep that to myself.

Well now [censored], Davey holds Accounting Designations in
several countries.

What he does not do, however, is go shouting off his big
mouth about this that or the other TaxPayer cheating on his
Income Taxes even more so when he has no idea whether
someone is or is not cheating.

So please don't go shouting your big mouth off about whether
a racer is or is not taking DRUGS

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Quoted message said:

To Crockett and Dronkert, Ok so it hurts a bit at the
time. After an I&D and some strong antibiotics the
infection should clear in a day or two leaving a small
incision that should be less painful than some road rash.
Perhaps it could take a little longer, but in almost all
typical cases, it is healed within a week and the pain is
mostly gone well before that. You must remember that these
guys are professional athletes and their career is built
on participation in the Tour and similar big ticket
events. They are not wimpy and have been know to complete
the enite Tour with a broken clavicle - something FAR more
painful than a zit 10 days after it was drained.

As far as being my patient in the ED, I'd treat you like I
would any other person with a boil on their butt and a
very low tolerance for pain. I'd also realize that you
were not World Road Race Champion or Tour De France
material, but I'd keep that to myself.

Do a search for Baden Cooke on how he suffered last fall
when there were no races on the line, simply from the flight
back to OZ after crotch surgery.

This issue is not if a boil hurts - of course it does. The
issue is if one would confidently predict that it would put
one out of an extremely important event 10 DAYS AFTER IT WAS
TREATED. That, my friends, is HIGHLY UNUSUAL, especially for
a world class athlete who has been shown to be capable of
dealing with much more pain than that in the past. I repeat,
10 DAYS AFTER it is treated. Think about it. Something there
is very fishy.

Davey, it would be reasonable for you to suspect someone of
cheating if their books did not balance, and if they were a
public figure such as government official in volved in
taxation, I'd say the right thing to do would be to raise
the issue for further exploration.

Claro said:

As a practicing emergency physician for 15 years, I can
tell you that the reason given - the doctors told him he
must be off the bike 10 days after "a boil was removed
from his butt" is a load of excrement. There is no "boil",
unless it were some sort of metastatic cancer that would
REQUIRE that. There is something foul smelling coming from
that butt story I'll tell you. It smell like doping to me.

Some rather vivid imagery there.

Steve

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Quoted message said:

To Crockett and Dronkert, Ok so it hurts a bit at the
time. After an I&D and some strong antibiotics the
infection should clear in a day or two leaving a small
incision that should be less painful than some road rash.
Perhaps it could take a little longer, but in almost all
typical cases, it is healed within a week and the pain is
mostly gone well before that. You must remember that these
guys are professional athletes and their career is built
on participation in the Tour and similar big ticket
events. They are not wimpy and have been know to complete
the enite Tour with a broken clavicle - something FAR more
painful than a zit 10 days after it was drained.

Even a boil that is removed from the area where you must
sit? I don't think so.

Quoted message said:

As far as being my patient in the ED, I'd treat you like I
would any other person with a boil on their butt and a
very low tolerance for pain. I'd also realize that you
were not World Road Race Champion or Tour De France
material, but I'd keep that to myself.

On 06/20/2004 08:25 AM, in article [email hidden],

Claro said:

This issue is not if a boil hurts - of course it does. The
issue is if one would confidently predict that it would
put one out of an extremely important event 10 DAYS AFTER
IT WAS TREATED. That, my friends, is HIGHLY UNUSUAL,
especially for a world class athlete who has been shown to
be capable of dealing with much more pain than that in the
past. I repeat, 10 DAYS AFTER it is treated. Think about
it. Something there is very fishy.

Don't you think that being off the bike, unable to train,
for 10-days might make you lose enough fitness that you
would no longer be an asset to your team during an event as
important as the Tour?

While it is possible (or even likely) that Freire would not
have any more pain after 10-days, the team management has a
responsibility to its sponsors to bring the best possible
team to the Tour, so they substitute a rider who does not
lose 10-days of training time and thus is closer to peak
fitness on July 3.

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Davey, it would be reasonable for you to suspect someone
of cheating if their books did not balance, and if they
were a public figure such as government official in volved
in taxation, I'd say the right thing to do would be to
raise the issue for further exploration.

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Quoted message said:

As a practicing emergency physician for 15 years, I can
tell you that the reason given - the doctors told him he
must be off the bike 10 days after "a boil was removed
from his butt" is a load of excrement. There is no "boil",
unless it were some sort of metastatic cancer that would
REQUIRE that. There is something foul smelling coming from
that butt story I'll tell you. It smell like doping to me.

Tell that to Oscar Sevilla who, if I remember correctly,
missed most of last year because of similar problems.

Quoted message said:

From: "Claro"

Quoted message said:

The issue is if one would confidently predict that it
would put one out of an extremely important event 10 DAYS
AFTER IT WAS TREATED. That, my friends, is HIGHLY UNUSUAL,
especially for a world class athlete who has been shown to
be capable of dealing with much more pain than that in the
past. I repeat, 10 DAYS AFTER it is treated. Think about
it. Something there is very fishy.

Thought about it. Only *might* be "fishy".

Is this Walsh spillover? Dope is everywhere?

You gonna tell me an incision heals completely in ten days?
I had a friend who "let a boil go" and had a very nasty
infection that could have easily killed him (according to
the treating docs). Hence, a responsible doctor might
"advise" staying off the bike (and out of bike shorts) until
the skin was fully healed. Note, like the Walsh book, the
butt in question is not in evidence here. Thank you. --TP

Claro said:

Davey, it would be reasonable for you to suspect someone
of cheating if their books did not balance, and if they
were a public figure such as government official in volved
in taxation, I'd say the right thing to do would be to
raise the issue for further exploration.

At last. Someone willing to come out and tell the truth
about Enron, WTC, Oklahoma, Waco, Abu Ghraib, monica, JFK,
Nixon, Casper Hauser. The whole damn lid is gonna come off
now I tell ya thanks to our new found friend with the
willingness to raise all of these issues for further
exploration.

Next time on ER...

Claro said:

a broken clavicle - something FAR more painful than a zit
10 days after it was drained.

Well, there's gradations in everything, right? Just finished
today's training of 6x 7' out of the saddle @53x13/14, 3'
rest. Very satisfying, when back at home. Like always, it
made me think of the story about Gert-Jan Theunisse; how he
had such a nasty infection that he couldn't sit down for
weeks. He still wanted to ride, so just removed the saddle
and post and continued his regular lots-of-hours-a-day
training. Respect. ("Madness! Madness, I say."😉

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Quoted message said:

As a practicing emergency physician for 15 years, I can
tell you that the reason given - the doctors told him he
must be off the bike 10 days after "a boil was removed
from his butt" is a load of excrement. There is no "boil",
unless it were some sort of metastatic cancer that would
REQUIRE that. There is something foul smelling coming from
that butt story I'll tell you. It smell like doping to me.

You may be an experienced physician but you seem not to
understand the principles of aerobic performance. After 48
hours off of a training regiment the drop in aerobic
capacity is already measurable, and after 10 days it's
quite serious.

-Sonarrat.

Claro said:

You must remember that these guys are professional
athletes and their career is built on participation in the
Tour and similar big ticket events.

I thought Freire's career was built on hitting top form less
than a handful of extremely big one day events (MSR, Amstel
Gold, World Championships) and anything that would risk that
should be avoided.

JT

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Claro said:

a broken clavicle - something FAR more painful than a
zit 10 days after it was drained.

Well, there's gradations in everything, right? Just
finished today's training of 6x 7' out of the saddle
@53x13/14, 3' rest. Very satisfying, when back at home.
Like always, it made me think of the story about Gert-Jan
Theunisse; how he had such a nasty infection that he
couldn't sit down for weeks. He still wanted to ride, so
just removed the saddle and post and continued his regular
lots-of-hours-a-day training. Respect. ("Madness! Madness,
I say."😉

And what about Nicolas Barone in the Tour of 1957? He
suffered from two boils and could't sit down for a moment.
Everybody told him to abandon, but he was first in the
classification of the most combatitive rider and that meant
5000 francs, which was a lot of money in the '50's. So
during five stages - among which two in the Pyrenees and a
TT - his butt didn't touch his saddle. He finished five
times last but every time within the time
limit. To add to his misfortune, in the TT he lost his first
place in the combatitive classification to Anquetil.
But all's well that end's well: in the last stage to
Paris his pain was much less, so he attacked all day
and reconquered his first place.

Benjo Maso