Frame alignment question

* * Chas said:

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There was a MO house in the '70s BikeBarn > Bikeology in Youngstown,

OH. I

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think they became Nashbar.

For the record, the original name was Bike Warehouse.

Arni Nashbar changed it to Bike Nashbar when the company's lawyer told
him the original name was too generic to defend from copyright
infringement.

- Frank Krygowski

Thanks for the info. I knew it was something like that. Bike Warehouse was
a pretty good place to deal with. I used to anticipate getting their
catalog. Even though we had a pro bike shop, there were lots of things
that we couldn't readily get and a quick call to Bike Warehouse did the
trick.

There was another MO house down in Santa Monica??? that also put out
regular catalogs. They were the ones that flooded the market with
previously hard to get European frames of sometimes questionable quality -
they looked great though.

Are you thinking of Bikeology, later known as Supergo? (And now RIP,
absorbed by the Performance monster)?

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Palo Alto was another good MO house.

Chas.

Phil said:

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I remember back in the 1970s having to file dropouts in order to get a
wheel to sit in straight. I saw a beautiful new Bob Jackson from that
era that had one chainstay 1/2" shorter than the other.... but the
paint was perfect.

1/2"? I'm guessing a wheel couldn't be inserted in to that one, huh?

--
Phil

So Phil, why now 'non' squid in training??

* * Chas said:

There was a MO house in the '70s BikeBarn > Bikeology in Youngstown, OH. I
think they became Nashbar.

Bikeology was in California, later became Supergo, then bought out by
Performance. Bike Warehouse was in Youngstown, OH and became Bike
Nashbar, and then just Nashbar. Also bought out by Performance.

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In the late '70s they imported large numbers of frames from Colnago, Bob
Jackson, Mercian and others.

I actually ordered a Bob Jackson from Bikecology circa 1977. When
delivery kept being delayed, I canceled the order. Based on what you
say below, I'm glad I did!

Art Harris

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The frames looked beautiful but some of them were real junk. A customer
brought in this particular Bob Jackson and complained that it wanted to
ride in a circle. I took it around the block and it didn't track for
@#$^&.

I put it up on the stand, checked the forks and removed the rear wheel. At
that point it was obvious that one chainstay was 1/2" shorter than the
other. Someone had bent the dropouts so that a wheel would go in and out
easier but it came that way from the factory.

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* * Chas said:

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> There was a MO house in the '70s BikeBarn > Bikeology in

Youngstown,

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OH. I

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> think they became Nashbar.

For the record, the original name was Bike Warehouse.

Arni Nashbar changed it to Bike Nashbar when the company's lawyer

told

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him the original name was too generic to defend from copyright
infringement.

- Frank Krygowski

Thanks for the info. I knew it was something like that. Bike Warehouse

was

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a pretty good place to deal with. I used to anticipate getting their
catalog. Even though we had a pro bike shop, there were lots of things
that we couldn't readily get and a quick call to Bike Warehouse did

the

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trick.

There was another MO house down in Santa Monica??? that also put out
regular catalogs. They were the ones that flooded the market with
previously hard to get European frames of sometimes questionable

quality -

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they looked great though.

Are you thinking of Bikeology, later known as Supergo? (And now RIP,
absorbed by the Performance monster)?

Yes, I think that it was Bikeology down in LaLa land. They started off
great but success went to their heads.

Chas.

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* * Chas said:

There was a MO house in the '70s BikeBarn > Bikeology in Youngstown,

OH. I

Quoted message said:

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think they became Nashbar.

Bikeology was in California, later became Supergo, then bought out by
Performance. Bike Warehouse was in Youngstown, OH and became Bike
Nashbar, and then just Nashbar. Also bought out by Performance.

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In the late '70s they imported large numbers of frames from Colnago,

Bob

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Jackson, Mercian and others.

I actually ordered a Bob Jackson from Bikecology circa 1977. When
delivery kept being delayed, I canceled the order. Based on what you
say below, I'm glad I did!

Art Harris

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The frames looked beautiful but some of them were real junk. A

customer

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brought in this particular Bob Jackson and complained that it wanted

to

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ride in a circle. I took it around the block and it didn't track for
@#$^&.

I put it up on the stand, checked the forks and removed the rear

wheel. At

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that point it was obvious that one chainstay was 1/2" shorter than the
other. Someone had bent the dropouts so that a wheel would go in and

out

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easier but it came that way from the factory.

Yes, it was Bikeology in LaLa land. They started out great but success got
to them. Bike Warehouse was always great to deal with.

I picked up 2 Colnago frames from a shop in Denver in November, 1978. They
had ordered a dozen frames in the fall of 1977 and it took a year to get
them. Since it was the beginning of winter they made me a great deal on
them.

The paint and lug work was much better than on the frames coming from
Bikeology at that time. These were maybe some of the last "good" Colnagos
from that era.

Bob Jackson frames were noted for their finish, they were some of the
prettiest from that time. Looking back, I think that it may have been the
clearcoat that made the difference.

I read an interview with Bob Jackson with accompanying photos. He was
just starting on a frame and the interviewer discussed some of the frame
building processes with him. The first picture shows old Bob brazing a
down tube into a bottom bracket held in a bench vice. The interviewer went
on to describe how Bob grabbed a tube and filed both ends to "miter" it.
Bob finished brazing the frame by the end of the interview. The next step
was "cold setting". All of this was attributed to great British
craftsmanship.

"Measure once, cut twice."

Chas.

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Phil said:

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I remember back in the 1970s having to file dropouts in order to
get a wheel to sit in straight. I saw a beautiful new Bob Jackson
from that era that had one chainstay 1/2" shorter than the
other.... but the paint was perfect.

1/2"? I'm guessing a wheel couldn't be inserted in to that one, huh?

--
Phil

So Phil, why now 'non' squid in training??

I'm taking a new direction... going to be entering the job market soon.
Won't have time to ride bikes (moto or otherwise) that much.

--
Phil

In article <[email hidden]>, Phil, Non-Squid

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I'm taking a new direction... going to be entering the job market soon.
Won't have time to ride bikes (moto or otherwise) that much.

Another recommendation against gainful employment!