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  1. I am sure I am not alone in being confused about the setup and
    adjustment of front forks. I Have some Rockshox SID XC front forks
    which I can pump up to-taste with my little high pressure pump.

    My question is, I see that other forks have a red switch on the top
    which allow "lock-out" which I presume stops them being effective. Is
    this an On/Off thing or do forks exist with variable lock-out ?

    Some guy in the shop mentioned forks with a variable rebound
    adjustment too. I'm not sure whether this is desirable or just OTT ?

    Any help appreciated,
    Dave

  2. "David" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    My question is, I see that other forks have a red switch on the top
    which allow "lock-out" which I presume stops them being effective. Is
    this an On/Off thing or do forks exist with variable lock-out ?

    Some forks may have a complete lock-out that does exactly that. Others,
    Marzocchi f'rinstance, have a sort of semi lock-out that once engaged allows
    about 30mm of travel, IIRC, but at a lower ride height, a good thing IMO.
    My Duke U-Turns have adjustatble travel, 63-105mm great for lowering the
    front end for climbing and of course being able to increase the travel for
    descents not only increases bump absorbsion but also raises the front end
    for a more confidence inspiring position.

    Quoted message said:

    Some guy in the shop mentioned forks with a variable rebound
    adjustment too. I'm not sure whether this is desirable or just OTT ?

    Pretty common, if the fork has no rebound damping it will pogo, too much and
    it will stack up and cease working, having adjustment allows you to tune it
    for your weight, riding style and the terrain.

    Pete

  3. in message <[email hidden]>, David

    (') said:

    I am sure I am not alone in being confused about the setup and
    adjustment of front forks. I Have some Rockshox SID XC front forks
    which I can pump up to-taste with my little high pressure pump.

    My question is, I see that other forks have a red switch on the top
    which allow "lock-out" which I presume stops them being effective. Is
    this an On/Off thing or do forks exist with variable lock-out ?

    Some guy in the shop mentioned forks with a variable rebound
    adjustment too. I'm not sure whether this is desirable or just OTT ?

    Different suspension units (this includes suspension forks, but also
    rear shocks) have different adjustments and on the whole more is better
    provided the mechanics are adequately sorted. Essentially the problem
    is that the rider makes up a very significant proportion of the total
    weight (unlike motor vehicles where the passengers are usually at most
    a third of the total weight). Consequently, one suspension setting will
    not suit all riders, irrespective of what conditions they ride, and
    different riding conditions may merit different tuning as well.

    As you've noted you can alter the spring rate of air suspension just by
    pumping it up. So you can make it more or less plush without bottoming
    out under your weight. If you have spring forks instead of air ones,
    it's sometimes possible to change the preload on the spring and to
    adjust the spring travel, but to change the spring rate you have to
    actually take the whole spring out and replace it with one of a
    different rate. With oil damped forks you can adjust the damping either
    by opening or closing the apertures in the damper through which the oil
    is forced (the usual way on adjustable forks) or by changing the
    viscosity of the oil. Some sophisticated suspension units have a
    pressurised air chamber on each side of the piston, and this is where
    the adjustable rebound comes in. And there are variants on stable
    platform valves, which are damping valves which open differently for
    different speeds of suspension movement, and (if fitted) these are
    usually tunable too. Finally as you note there's lockout, which is
    useful if you're riding on tarmac as on good surfaces long-travel
    suspension tends to bob a bit and actually hold you back.

    General advice is to pressurise the system so that with you just sitting
    on the bike, not moving, the suspension compresses about a quarter of
    its total travel (this is called 'sag'😉. To adjust damping/rebound,
    find a smooth road with a sleeping policeman (ideal) or kerb (OK
    provided your tyres are hard enough). Pedal up to your normal riding
    speed and then go over the obstruction not pedalling and sitting as
    still as possible. If the suspension smoothly returns to its normal
    'sag' position after the obstruction that's ideal. If it overshoots and
    bounces around its sag position for a few bounces before settling down
    you need more damping. If it doesn't make it back to its sag position
    then you need less damping, or else you need to service your seals and
    bushes.

    I should say that having serviced some cheaper forks with lots of
    adjustments I'm pretty unimpressed with the mechanical construction.
    While I said above more adjustment is better because you can tune the
    forks to your weight and riding style, it's not better if it isn't
    robust enough to do the job. Good forks are expensive to make and
    involve a lot of precision engineering, so don't buy a cheap fork with
    lots of knobs to twiddle.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

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  4. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Seems to make sense to me, though I'm amazed to discover that there's
    such a thing as remote lockout. Does anyone know is this a mechanical
    thing or is it electronic? Bet it's a pricey bit of kit either way.

    Amusingly, a fork with exactly this ability was mentioned in another
    thread recently. It's the Manitou Nixon and has a lockout switch on the
    handlebars. I don't know the price but if you Google for it, you'll find
    more information.

    Jon

  5. David said:

    My question is, I see that other forks have a red switch on the top
    which allow "lock-out" which I presume stops them being effective. Is
    this an On/Off thing or do forks exist with variable lock-out ?

    Funnily enough, they brought this up in the commentary in the men's
    olympic cross country this morning. Apparently, the French rider they
    were talking about, Absalon, has a switch on the end of his bars that
    operates the fork lockout - the idea is that for the parts of the course
    where bouncy suspension would be a hindrance, he locks the forks and
    rides rigid.

    Seems to make sense to me, though I'm amazed to discover that there's
    such a thing as remote lockout. Does anyone know is this a mechanical
    thing or is it electronic? Bet it's a pricey bit of kit either way.

    d.

  6. "davek" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Seems to make sense to me, though I'm amazed to discover that there's
    such a thing as remote lockout. Does anyone know is this a mechanical
    thing or is it electronic? Bet it's a pricey bit of kit either way.

    Usually a small lever, similar to a thumb shifter, that pulls a boden cable.
    The cable can be made to replicate what you'd do manually by pulling a lever
    or rotating a pulley.

    Pete

  7. Peter B said:

    Usually a small lever, similar to a thumb shifter, that pulls a boden cable.
    The cable can be made to replicate what you'd do manually by pulling a lever
    or rotating a pulley.

    Makes sense. And shows how little I know about how sus forks work. 🙂

    d.

  8. Thanks for your comprehensive answer. I have vague recollection of
    physics damping rate, oscillation frequency and stuff, but I'd rather
    not remember to be honest :-)

    I remember when climbing up a steep hill, even with the front shock
    set pretty hard it did limit my power significantly. I'm not racing so
    a handlebar lockout may not be necessary, but a lockout of some sort
    would be useful.

    Dave

  9. in message <[email hidden]>, davek ([email hidden]'😉

    Quoted message said:
    David said:

    My question is, I see that other forks have a red switch on the top
    which allow "lock-out" which I presume stops them being effective. Is
    this an On/Off thing or do forks exist with variable lock-out ?

    Funnily enough, they brought this up in the commentary in the men's
    olympic cross country this morning. Apparently, the French rider they
    were talking about, Absalon, has a switch on the end of his bars that
    operates the fork lockout - the idea is that for the parts of the
    course where bouncy suspension would be a hindrance, he locks the
    forks and rides rigid.

    Seems to make sense to me, though I'm amazed to discover that there's
    such a thing as remote lockout. Does anyone know is this a mechanical
    thing or is it electronic? Bet it's a pricey bit of kit either way.

    The better Cannondale Lefties have electronic remote lockout; so do some
    Pace forks. Other units have cable operated remote lockout. My Jekyll
    had cable operated remote lockout on the rear shock when I got it, but
    seeing that it took up valuable space on the bars and when you need
    lockout it's because you're on a smooth track where it's easy to reach
    down to the actual lockout lever on the shock body I've taken it off.

    --
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  10. in message <[email hidden]>, David

    (') said:

    Thanks for your comprehensive answer. I have vague recollection of
    physics damping rate, oscillation frequency and stuff, but I'd rather
    not remember to be honest :-)

    I remember when climbing up a steep hill, even with the front shock
    set pretty hard it did limit my power significantly.

    That's a technique problem. I know, because it's a technique problem I
    used to have myself. You're climbing in too high a gear and not
    spinning fast enough. Try dropping down at least two gears below where
    you think you want to be and really spinning your legs. You'll find
    that not only does your suspension not bob, you'll have better traction
    and will get up the slope faster.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
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