Forks and disc brakes

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Hello,

I'm looking to build a new full suspension MTB and would like to fit disc brakes. What XC fork can
I best use to fit disc brakes,

Rock Shox SID Marzocchi Marathon SL Manitou Skareb

Also which is the better disc brake choise, Magura Louise or FOrmula B4 pro?

greeting, from holland,

Joost Smeets

I've been very happy with my Marzocchi Marathon (air spring) and Hope Mini hydraulic disc brake
combo on my Intense Tracer. The 1999 SID I had was very flexy and the damping cartridge either blew
on the first ride or was largely inneffective. I've no experience with the Manitou.

Mike

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Hello,

I'm looking to build a new full suspension MTB and would like to fit disc brakes. What XC fork can
I best use to fit disc brakes,

Rock Shox SID Marzocchi Marathon SL Manitou Skareb

Also which is the better disc brake choise, Magura Louise or FOrmula B4 pro?

greeting, from holland,

Joost Smeets

Unless you are a top 5 XC rider in your country, sponsored and with a private mechanic I would
stay away from the B4 (pro, team or else). Sure they brake decently (for someone under the
70kilo-155lb mark) for the first year, then problems arrise. IMHO, its too fragile for anything
else than pro XC racing.

BTW - Marzocchi Marathon (not the 2002 model), either S or SL.

S.B.

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Unless you are a top 5 XC rider in your country, sponsored and with a private mechanic I would
stay away from the B4 (pro, team or else). Sure they brake decently (for someone under the
70kilo-155lb mark) for the

first

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year, then problems arrise. IMHO, its too fragile for anything else than

pro

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XC racing.

BTW - Marzocchi Marathon (not the 2002 model), either S or SL.

S.B

I have the 2002 Marathon S. It's a great fork! And lighter than the 2003 models. What's your
beef with it?
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BTW - Marzocchi Marathon (not the 2002 model), either S or SL.

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I have the 2002 Marathon S. It's a great fork! And lighter than the

2003

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models. What's your beef with it?

That it's not beef-Y enough? (arr-arr.)

I have the '02 Marathon S, too, but I use V-brakes. Chris at Speedgoat suggested that the '03 was a
better choice for disk brakes, as it was stiffer than the 2002 model. Having never owned/used disks,
don't really know if difference would be discernable...

Bill "just BS-in' about SB's meaning" S.

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BTW - Marzocchi Marathon (not the 2002 model), either S or SL.

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I have the 2002 Marathon S. It's a great fork! And lighter than the

2003

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models. What's your beef with it?

That it's not beef-Y enough? (arr-arr.)

I have the '02 Marathon S, too, but I use V-brakes. Chris at Speedgoat suggested that the '03 was
a better choice for disk brakes, as it was stiffer than the 2002 model. Having never owned/used
disks, don't really know if difference would be discernable...

Bill "just BS-in' about SB's meaning" S.

I also have the '02 and Hope Mini's no complaints about lack of 'stiffness' here. ;^) I did have a
problem with the negative cartridge filling with oil and getting stuck down lowering my travel. I
rebuilt the fork myself using Bel-Ray 7wt fork oil and have had no problems since.

Mike

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I have the '02 Marathon S, too, but I use V-brakes. Chris at Speedgoat suggested that the '03
was a better choice for disk brakes, as it was stiffer than the 2002 model. Having never
owned/used disks, don't

really

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know if difference would be discernable...

Bill "just BS-in' about SB's meaning" S.

I also have the '02 and Hope Mini's no complaints about lack of

'stiffness'

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here. ;^) I did have a problem with the negative cartridge filling with oil and getting stuck
down lowering my travel. I rebuilt the fork myself using Bel-Ray 7wt fork oil and have had no
problems since.

Mike

I've no problems at all with it using Hayes discs either. As a matter of fact, there used to be
an issue of the brakes sometimes chattering under heavy braking, only on occasion and only when
I used a SID XC with the Hayes. I _think_ that was a flex issue attributable to the fork. The
Marzocchi seems to have totally eliminated that. I hope I don't have to mess with the negative
cartridge. So far so good. I also learned eventually that mine was not leaking air from the
negative chamber, either, as some other have reported. It was in fact just losing enough air
while removing the pump that when I rechecked it on future rides, it was always lower than
expected. Now, I just pump it a good 15psi or so higher than I actually want to attain, and it
works out okay. I confirmed this by pumping it up, then immediately after removing the pump, I
would check it out, and it was always down from where I had set it. Doesn't seem to be leaking
down at all; I just had to learn that little caveat involved in setting it up.
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I have the '02 Marathon S, too, but I use V-brakes. Chris at

Speedgoat

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suggested that the '03 was a better choice for disk brakes, as it was stiffer than the 2002
model. Having never owned/used disks, don't

really

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know if difference would be discernable...

Bill "just BS-in' about SB's meaning" S.

I also have the '02 and Hope Mini's no complaints about lack of

'stiffness'

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here. ;^) I did have a problem with the negative cartridge filling

with

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oil and getting stuck down lowering my travel. I rebuilt the fork

myself

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using Bel-Ray 7wt fork oil and have had no problems since.

Mike

I've no problems at all with it using Hayes discs either. As a matter

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fact, there used to be an issue of the brakes sometimes chattering under heavy braking, only on
occasion and only when I used a SID XC with the Hayes. I _think_ that was a flex issue
attributable to the fork. The Marzocchi seems to have totally eliminated that. I hope I don't have
to mess with the negative cartridge. So far so

good.

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I also learned eventually that mine was not leaking air from the negative chamber, either, as some
other have reported. It was in fact just losing enough air while removing the pump that when I
rechecked it on future

rides,

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it was always lower than expected. Now, I just pump it a good 15psi or so higher than I actually
want to attain, and it works out okay. I confirmed this by pumping it up, then immediately after
removing the pump, I would check it out, and it was always down from where I had set it. Doesn't
seem to be leaking down at all; I just had to learn that little caveat involved in setting it up.
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You'll know when you release the pressure from the negative cartridge and it spews fork oil all over
and it runs down the fork leg into your disc caliper. :^( The cartridge maintenance isn't that bad.

Mike

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You'll know when you release the pressure from the negative cartridge and

it

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spews fork oil all over and it runs down the fork leg into your disc caliper. :^( The cartridge
maintenance isn't that bad.

Man, I hope I don't get to learn that! I don't want to learn that!!! Glad to hear the fix
isn't bad, though. I haven't had to touch the fork other than air setup and spraying
stanchions with silicone before every other ride or so to keep it buttery smooth. I have my
old SID XC still waiting for me to tear it down and replace the O-rings and oil, so I hope I
get the gumption to learn that first. I'm hoping I can get away with a couple years of use on
the Marathon before I'm forced to tear into it, but that might be too optimistic. I better get
the SID ready sometime this winter so that at least I won't be left forkless if the Marathon
gives any trouble.
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BTW - Marzocchi Marathon (not the 2002 model), either S or SL.

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I have the 2002 Marathon S. It's a great fork! And lighter than the

2003

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models. What's your beef with it?

That it's not beef-Y enough? (arr-arr.)

I have the '02 Marathon S, too, but I use V-brakes. Chris at Speedgoat suggested that the '03 was a
better choice for disk brakes, as it was stiffer than the 2002 model. Having never owned/used
disks, don't really know if difference would be discernable...

I hear mechanical disks are only as good as v brakes, if you are riding in dry conditions.
Hydraulics are supposed to be better though.

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Bill "just BS-in' about SB's meaning" S.

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"Michael Dart" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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You'll know when you release the pressure from the negative cartridge

and

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it

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spews fork oil all over and it runs down the fork leg into your disc caliper. :^( The cartridge
maintenance isn't that bad.

Man, I hope I don't get to learn that! I don't want to learn that!!! Glad to hear the fix
isn't bad, though. I haven't had to touch the

fork

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other than air setup and spraying stanchions with silicone before every other ride or so to keep
it buttery smooth. I have my old SID XC still waiting for me to tear it down and replace the
O-rings and oil, so I hope I get the gumption to learn that first. I'm hoping I can get away with
a couple years of use on the Marathon before

I'm

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forced to tear into it, but that might be too optimistic. I better get the SID ready sometime this
winter so that at least I won't be left forkless

if

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the Marathon gives any trouble.
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It's really not that big a deal. Just keep a rag ready to catch any oil that may come out. There is
only an ounce of oil in that leg for lubrication, but it'll ruin a set of brake pads if you get it
on them. But you can still ride the fork after you put air back in. It only took me a couple
hours/beers one evening to do maintenance on it. I put a rigid fork on my hardtail rather than ride
that SID again.

Mike

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On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:35:07 GMT, "Sorni" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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I have the '02 Marathon S, too, but I use V-brakes. Chris at Speedgoat suggested that the '03 was
a better choice for disk brakes, as it was stiffer than the 2002 model. Having never owned/used
disks, don't really know if difference would be discernable...

I hear mechanical disks are only as good as v brakes, if you are riding in dry conditions.
Hydraulics are supposed to be better though.

You heard wrong, mech. disk vs. V-brakes. You're correct about hydraulics, however.
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"Michael Dart" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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You'll know when you release the pressure from the negative cartridge and

it

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spews fork oil all over and it runs down the fork leg into your disc caliper. :^( The cartridge
maintenance isn't that bad.

Man, I hope I don't get to learn that! I don't want to learn that!!! Glad to hear the fix
isn't bad, though. I haven't had to touch the fork other than air setup and spraying
stanchions with silicone before every other ride or so to keep it buttery smooth. I have my
old SID XC still waiting for me to tear it down and replace the O-rings and oil, so I hope I
get the gumption to learn that first. I'm hoping I can get away with a couple years of use on
the Marathon before I'm forced to tear into it, but that might be too optimistic. I better get
the SID ready sometime this winter so that at least I won't be left forkless if the Marathon
gives any trouble.
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I found a simple and effective solution to SID XC maintence, it also reduces the wet nooddle
effect. Remove lower legs, fill lower legs with quick set mortar. Replace lower legs and wipe
excess mortar away from pathetic "Triple X" seals which can not even hold back wet cement. Allow to
cure 12-24 hours.
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