Forget St. Etienne

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:13:44 +0200, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

This time Chicken stayed on the bike, and his statement from the restday
claiming that he wouldn't loose more than 3 minuttes came true.

I never understood just why there was a presumption that he would be hopeless.
Obviously he just plain lost his [censored] two years ago, but that's not as hard to
fix as not being able to ride. And while I wouldn't expect him to hang with the
best TT riders I don't see why a guy who can climb like that wouldn't beat the
rest of the dog pile.

Ron

RonSonic said:

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:13:44 +0200, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<[email hidden]>
wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

This time Chicken stayed on the bike, and his statement from the restday
claiming that he wouldn't loose more than 3 minuttes came true.

Quoted message said:

I never understood just why there was a presumption that he would be hopeless.
Obviously he just plain lost his [censored] two years ago, but that's not as hard to
fix as not being able to ride. And while I wouldn't expect him to hang with the
best TT riders I don't see why a guy who can climb like that wouldn't beat the
rest of the dog pile.

I agree, but i've never seen anyone in but meself in rbr expressing
that. Actally the St Etinnene TT wasn't all that bad, he spent more
than 4 miunttes off the bike durring that TT. Assuming he would have
stayed on the bike he wouldn't have lost more than 3 minuttes to
Armstong and 2.30 to Ulrich.

--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>

Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.

On Jul 21, 10:25 pm, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<[email hidden]>

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RonSonic said:

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:13:44 +0200, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

This time Chicken stayed on the bike, and his statement from the restday
claiming that he wouldn't loose more than 3 minuttes came true.

I never understood just why there was a presumption that he would be hopeless.
Obviously he just plain lost his [censored] two years ago, but that's not as hard to
fix as not being able to ride. And while I wouldn't expect him to hang with the
best TT riders I don't see why a guy who can climb like that wouldn't beat the
rest of the dog pile.

I agree, but i've never seen anyone in but meself in rbr expressing
that. Actally the St Etinnene TT wasn't all that bad, he spent more
than 4 miunttes off the bike durring that TT. Assuming he would have
stayed on the bike he wouldn't have lost more than 3 minuttes to
Armstong and 2.30 to Ulrich.

Part of being good at TTs is being prepared, and mentally
or physically, he wasn't prepared. The difference in 2007
is that on the evidence of the picture links Shayana posted,
he's actually spent some time riding his TT bike this year,
or if not that, at least he spent some time getting a fit
for a proper TT position.

I don't think he is going to put as much time into everyone
else in the remaining mountain stages as many in RBR seem
to think; so I don't think he will have much of a cushion
if any by the final TT.

Ben

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I agree, but i've never seen anyone in but meself in rbr expressing
that. Actally the St Etinnene TT wasn't all that bad, he spent more
than 4 miunttes off the bike durring that TT. Assuming he would have
stayed on the bike he wouldn't have lost more than 3 minuttes to
Armstong and 2.30 to Ulrich.

Quoted message said:

Part of being good at TTs is being prepared, and mentally
or physically, he wasn't prepared. The difference in 2007
is that on the evidence of the picture links Shayana posted,
he's actually spent some time riding his TT bike this year,
or if not that, at least he spent some time getting a fit
for a proper TT position.

Quoted message said:

I don't think he is going to put as much time into everyone
else in the remaining mountain stages as many in RBR seem
to think; so I don't think he will have much of a cushion
if any by the final TT.

He bolstered his cushion with antother 2:04 to Evans and Kloeden
today. Now he only has to hang on to Contador.

--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>

Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.

Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

He bolstered his cushion with antother 2:04 to Evans and Kloeden
today. Now he only has to hang on to Contador.

So assuming that they stick to one another during the rest of the
mountain stages that leaves a final TT for Contador to make up time.

What's the consensus of the group here ? Can Rasmusen rise to the
challenge one more time ?

FWIW I have to admire Klodi. He never panicked. Vino appears to be finis.

Bill

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This time Chicken stayed on the bike, and his statement from the restday
claiming that he wouldn't loose more than 3 minuttes came true.

Here's the problem - the only reason he did so well was because of that
little Cat 4 climb at the start of the stage and the fact that he had clean
roads while almost everyone else was riding on wet slippery roads.

He won't have those advantages next Saturday so he'd better have 3-4 minutes
advantage in order to stay clear.

I wonder what happened to Valverde. That isn't like him at all.

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

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Quoted message said:

This time Chicken stayed on the bike, and his statement from the restday
claiming that he wouldn't loose more than 3 minuttes came true.

Here's the problem - the only reason he did so well was because of that
little Cat 4 climb at the start of the stage and the fact that he had clean
roads while almost everyone else was riding on wet slippery roads.

He won't have those advantages next Saturday so he'd better have 3-4 minutes
advantage in order to stay clear.

I wonder what happened to Valverde. That isn't like him at all.

age

On 07/22/2007 09:29 AM, in article [email hidden], "Morten

Reippuert Knudsen said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I agree, but i've never seen anyone in but meself in rbr expressing
that. Actally the St Etinnene TT wasn't all that bad, he spent more
than 4 miunttes off the bike durring that TT. Assuming he would have
stayed on the bike he wouldn't have lost more than 3 minuttes to
Armstong and 2.30 to Ulrich.

Quoted message said:

Part of being good at TTs is being prepared, and mentally
or physically, he wasn't prepared. The difference in 2007
is that on the evidence of the picture links Shayana posted,
he's actually spent some time riding his TT bike this year,
or if not that, at least he spent some time getting a fit
for a proper TT position.

Quoted message said:

I don't think he is going to put as much time into everyone
else in the remaining mountain stages as many in RBR seem
to think; so I don't think he will have much of a cushion
if any by the final TT.

He bolstered his cushion with antother 2:04 to Evans and Kloeden
today. Now he only has to hang on to Contador.

Michael [censored]-ficken should be thrown out of the Tour for his multiple missed
tests over the past couple of years.

Let Contador and Evans fight it out.

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stevens at veloworks dot com
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Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

"Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:[email hidden]...

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This time Chicken stayed on the bike, and his statement from the restday
claiming that he wouldn't loose more than 3 minuttes came true.

Here's the problem - the only reason he did so well was because of that
little Cat 4 climb at the start of the stage and the fact that he had clean
roads while almost everyone else was riding on wet slippery roads.

Utter nonsense.

1. The only one with really worse conditions was Vinokourov. The top
ten started very close to each other
2. Rasmussen didn't do well at the climb at all (Contador did), he
only lost 5 seconds to Evans in the last flat miles of the stages

Sorry Tom, your reasoning simply doesn't match with the reality of the
stage

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He won't have those advantages next Saturday so he'd better have 3-4 minutes
advantage in order to stay clear.

I wonder what happened to Valverde. That isn't like him at all.

Valverde... Sick? Pressure?

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And how about the Columbians?? It's a Eurocentric system that works
well for those close by. I wonder how many out of competition tests
they've sent people to Kazakhstan to conduct?
I saw an article this weekend about companies injecting GPS tracking
and security chips into their employees, can the UCI be far behind?
It's not just a nutcase conspiracy thing anymore, unfortunately.
Bill C

Somebody needs to convince Mark Cuban to sponsor a cycling team.

Carl Sundquist said:

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And how about the Columbians?? It's a Eurocentric system that works
well for those close by. I wonder how many out of competition tests
they've sent people to Kazakhstan to conduct?
I saw an article this weekend about companies injecting GPS tracking
and security chips into their employees, can the UCI be far behind?
It's not just a nutcase conspiracy thing anymore, unfortunately.
Bill C

Somebody needs to convince Mark Cuban to sponsor a cycling team.

That would be some SERIOUS theater! I can't even imagine what he'd
have to say about the folks running cycling, especially when he wasn't
being handed a record fine for every comment.
Bill C
PS
I'm praying they let him buy the Cubs. That'll be fun too.

Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

Actually Vinokurov should be tested by the Kazakh, French and Monaco's
cycling federations as well as by UCI's because he lives i France and
has a licence from Monaco.

Perhaps they'll have to clone him so he can be in all 3 places at the same
time to be tested. Imagine a whole team of Vino clones.

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:32:07 +0200, Donald Munro <[email hidden]>

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Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

Actually Vinokurov should be tested by the Kazakh, French and Monaco's
cycling federations as well as by UCI's because he lives i France and
has a licence from Monaco.

Perhaps they'll have to clone him so he can be in all 3 places at the same
time to be tested. Imagine a whole team of Vino clones.

They'd tear up the peloton if they'd ever work together. One of 'em would surely
win each stage, just that no one of them would win enough for the GC.

Ron

Morten Reippuert Knudsen schreef:

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His second problem is that the Danish Cycling Federation (like the
German) has an ethical charter regarding representation on the
national team: Riders has to take part i additional out-of-competition
test besides those from the UCI, additional DCU can (as they did in this
case) ban rider from the national team even though the rider isn't
under suscpicion or hasn't voilated any UCI rules.
I'd bet you that neither the Duch, Belgian, French, Spanish, Italian,
Ukranian, Russian, Sweedish or American federation has similar strict

All Dutch "international sporters" (a term defined in the antidoping
rules) must make their training locations and daily training schedule
known to the antidoping authority (DADA..?), every month at least 2
weeks in advance. Out of competition controls can take place any time,
unannounced. (Although there was a minor scandal earlier this year when
a news show discovered that all the controls they filmed, 3 or 4, *were*
announced.) If the official does not meet you (at the training venue,
your home or 1 or 2 other addresses you wrote down) he will try another
time. If that does not succeed either, he will phone you. There has to
be a control within 2h of that call. If not, the sports association will
be notified and you will get suspended for 3 months to a year (depending
on which assoc).

So, no warnings.

--
E. Dronkert

Ewoud Dronkert said:

All Dutch "international sporters" (a term defined in the antidoping
rules) must make their training locations and daily training schedule
known to the antidoping authority (DADA..?)

They even made it into Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dada

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Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

"Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

This time Chicken stayed on the bike, and his statement from the
restday
claiming that he wouldn't loose more than 3 minuttes came true.

Here's the problem - the only reason he did so well was because of that
little Cat 4 climb at the start of the stage and the fact that he had
clean
roads while almost everyone else was riding on wet slippery roads.

Utter nonsense.

1. The only one with really worse conditions was Vinokourov. The top
ten started very close to each other

3 minutes x 10 people is a half hour. I don't call that close.

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2. Rasmussen didn't do well at the climb at all (Contador did), he
only lost 5 seconds to Evans in the last flat miles of the stages

The "last flat miles were the last 6.5 km from the Albi suburbs to the
finish line. After almost 10 km of downhill in which to "rest" I would hope
he would be able to match a rider like Evans. So this means that the Chicken
had to hold Evans on the steeper pitches of the climbs. And there wasn't
enough of them.

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Sorry Tom, your reasoning simply doesn't match with the reality of the
stage

Well, certainly we'll see how my reasoning works next Saturday.

On Jul 23, 11:26 am, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<[email hidden]>
wrote:
rider isn't

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under suscpicion or hasn't voilated any UCI rules.
I'd bet you that neither the Duch, Belgian, French, Spanish, Italian,
Ukranian, Russian, Sweedish or American federation has similar strict
rules.

Dumbass -

The French have the strictest rules.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Bill C said:

Or maybe just a crank ;-)

http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/82000016/Images/5/suarez_crankyoldbastard_507a.jpg

Bob Schwartz

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Donald Munro said:

Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

Actually Vinokurov should be tested by the Kazakh, French and Monaco's
cycling federations as well as by UCI's because he lives i France and
has a licence from Monaco.

Perhaps they'll have to clone him so he can be in all 3 places at the same
time to be tested. Imagine a whole team of Vino clones.

No, no! Look how much trouble an evil twin caused that poor Mr. Hamilton!

And his little dog, too,

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