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"Qui si parla Campagnolo " wrote

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As you may have heard, AOL is discontinuing their NG service very soon,

I'va

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had it with AOL(is that applause I hear?)

So for this very non computer savy guy, who is best? I'm going to pair it

with

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DSL so I can get calls when on der web for the hr or so each morning.

I would like it to be at least the same $, have more than one email

address(for

Quoted message said:

my alternative identity, me wife, one kid), and it HAS to be
simple..particularly when accessing NG, which, along with email/the web,

is

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about all I do.

Thanks!!!!

Peter Chisholm

Earthlink offers the services/features you list, plus a decent spam blocking
system. I haven't tried enough ISPs to know who is "the best", nor do I
necessarily know as much about computers as you, but after a few years with
Earthlink I have no inclination to move to another provider.

Only caveat is that, while Earthl;ink offers access to newsgroups, their own
proprietary mail client does not include a newsreader, so you have to use a
mail client that does (Outlook Express, etc.).
--
mark

But rather than outlook try a better news reader like agent from Forte
or newsXpress from ...

there are a few really good tools out there Outlook is a pain in
comparison.

But rather than outlook try a better news reader like agent from Forte
or newsXpress from ...

there are a few really good tools out there Outlook is a pain in
comparison.

Quoted message said:

But rather than outlook try a better news reader like agent from Forte
or newsXpress from ...

there are a few really good tools out there Outlook is a pain in
comparison.

.. . . often leading to such rookie mistakes as posting the same thing twice
.. . . . ;-)

Neil
Using Outlook Express

Yeah I'm stuck using Google here ... I really hate it... It makes OE
look good.

Taking the training wheels off, eh Peter? Just get the best deal on a
dsl isp, most have multiple identities and gobs of useless "features",
then get in here with google groups. Having never used any other
method, I don't feel google is to bad.

Kel and I are using isp.com, a real budget provider for dial up, but I
never get bumped off, never have trouble getting in, we each have two
e-mails aimed at different machines, etc. It's not fast, but that's my
phone line. It's a whopping $10 a month.
Do you have cable? Have you looked into comcast?

On 25 Jan 2005 14:25:29 GMT, [email hidden] (Qui si parla

Campagnolo ) said:

As you may have heard, AOL is discontinuing their NG service very soon, I'va
had it with AOL(is that applause I hear?)

So for this very non computer savy guy, who is best? I'm going to pair it with
DSL so I can get calls when on der web for the hr or so each morning.

I would like it to be at least the same $, have more than one email address(for
my alternative identity, me wife, one kid), and it HAS to be
simple..particularly when accessing NG, which, along with email/the web, is
about all I do.

Thanks!!!!

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

Hi, if you have been using AOLs browser, etc, then you will need to
change. Rather than use Microsoft's Internet Exploder and Outlook
Distress, check out Mozilla or Netscape. Both are free, Netscape uses
Mozilla, but adds [censored] like AOL instant messager. I'm using Netscape,
because I already had it, but if I was starting over or setting up a
new PC, I would go with Mozilla.
If you aren't using a firewall, the free version of Zone Alarm works
great.
Here is another minor consideration, it is my understanding that most
virus' are written to cause problems with Outlook Distress.

Life is Good!
Jeff

mark said:

Earthlink offers the services/features you list, plus a decent spam blocking
system. I haven't tried enough ISPs to know who is "the best", nor do I
necessarily know as much about computers as you, but after a few years with
Earthlink I have no inclination to move to another provider.

Only caveat is that, while Earthl;ink offers access to newsgroups, their own
proprietary mail client does not include a newsreader, so you have to use a
mail client that does (Outlook Express, etc.).

Just say no to Outlook Express. There are tons of news readers out
there that are better and are free. Free Agent is one of them. Even
Mozilla/Thunderbird is better.

If Peter does go to DSL, his DSL carrier will most likely carry newsgroups.

Dialup is dead. With the costs down where people can afford a big fat
pipe to the 'net and the ability to not tie up a phone line, it doesn't
make sense to use dialup and pay two bills totalling up to what
broadband/cable/DSL would cost and still not be able to use the phone.

--
BMO

Peter,

We've had very good results with Qwest's DSL service. It gets very
heavy use, and service/support has been good.

I would strongly recommend that you use something like Mozilla
Thunderbird for your newsgroup and mail client. It's simple, easy to
configure, and has a good feature set.

If you need a reliable newsfeed, getting an account on
News.Individual.Net is quick, free, and free of [censored], spam, etc.

Shoot me an e-mail if you need/want more info.

--
Mark Chandler
Superior, CO
http://www.MileHighSkates.com

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

As you may have heard, AOL is discontinuing their NG service very soon, I'va
had it with AOL(is that applause I hear?)

So for this very non computer savy guy, who is best? I'm going to pair it with
DSL so I can get calls when on der web for the hr or so each morning.

I would like it to be at least the same $, have more than one email address(for
my alternative identity, me wife, one kid), and it HAS to be
simple..particularly when accessing NG, which, along with email/the web, is
about all I do.

I'm sure you'll get a lot of recommendations for Mozilla Thunderbird. I
use it because my ISP doesn't have usenet access and it is free so I'm
not complaining... BUT they do seem to be down a lot. Sometimes for
days at a time there will apparently be no new posts, then suddenly you
get all of them at once and the threads have run their courses.
Supposedly the "pay for it" service is better, I don't know. The
problem isn't technically with Mozilla Thunderbird, it's with the news
server they give you along with it free.teranews.com

--
My bike blog:
http://diabloscott.blogspot.com/

On 25 Jan 2005 14:25:29 GMT, [email hidden] (Qui si parla

Campagnolo ) said:

As you may have heard, AOL is discontinuing their NG service very soon, I'va
had it with AOL(is that applause I hear?)

So for this very non computer savy guy, who is best? I'm going to pair it with
DSL so I can get calls when on der web for the hr or so each morning.

I would like it to be at least the same $, have more than one email address(for
my alternative identity, me wife, one kid), and it HAS to be
simple..particularly when accessing NG, which, along with email/the web, is
about all I do.

Thanks!!!!

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

Dear Peter,

Sorry, but a DSL connection here in Colorado will be a bit
more per month than the old phone connection.

The connection to the internet is a little different and can
be confusing at first.

With a phone modem, you dial into your ISP's phone bank and
AOL demands a login and password to prove that you've paid
for the service before you can connect to the internet.
Otherwise, anyone could dial AOL and get on the internet for
free. If you don't go through the login process, you don't
get to see the internet and can't get to www.google.com.

Ya gotta log in to AOL if you use a phone.

With a DSL or cable connection, you're always connected to
the internet--you had to pay for the electrical hookup. So
there's no login process to surf the internet--you just type
www.google.com, and there's the site.

With DSL, to hell with logging in.

But you still have to have some place to get your mail.

With a phone modem, you naturally got your mail wherever you
were forced to login--in your case, AOL.

With cable or DSL, you can sometimes pay a company like
Qwest for the electrical hookup to the internet, but not pay
them for any other services. You get the wiring from them
and use someone else for your email address and services.

But it's easiest to use Qwest for your DSL physical
connection and to use Qwest also for your email address and
service.

When you want email, you just go to www.qwest.com and login
as [email hidden] with your password, and there's your
email. All the DSL and cable companies provide email
service, with half a dozen or so mailboxes so that you can
have your own and set up others for your family.

The email sits on the DSL or cable company's server, where a
built-in program lets you read and write email on their
server without ever downloading the actual messages to your
computer.

Or you can set up a program like Outlook to download your
email automatically from their server your computer, where
Outlook will let you sort, browse, and manage the files on
your own computer to your heart's content.

Things work the same way for a newsgroup--you can do it all
on the internet, or you can download stuff to your computer
and fool around with it there.

Anyone can click on google groups and read and reply to
posts in rec.bicycles.tech that are sitting out on the
internet. (You do have to sign up, but it's free.) All the
files stay out on the internet, where google takes care of
sorting and managing things.

Or you can get a newsreader like the Forte Free Agent that
I'm using, tell it to get the files from a news server like
news.comcast.giganews.com (your DSL connection should
include a news server), and have your newsreader program
download new posts to your computer, where you can sort,
file, and manage the threads and posts to your heart's
content, just like email downloaded to Outlook.

Old connection:

Peter --> phone --> Peter's AOL login & password:
internet through AOL
email through AOL
newsgroup through AOL

New connection

Peter --> DSL modem:
internet always available, no need to login
newsgroup like google groups, all on internet
Peter's Qwest login & password:
email through Qwest email service
just take care of it on Qwest server
or download to Peter's computer with program
newsgroup through Qwest news server
download to Peter's computer with program

So get a DSL connection and also use that company as your
email provider.

If their built-in email program is good enough for you,
fine.

If not, they make it easy to use other email programs like
Outlook to download your email to your computer and manage
it there.

If Google Groups works well enough for rec.bicycles.tech,
just use that.

If you want to download threads and manage them yourself,
get a news reader like Forte Free Agent, tell the password
needed to get threads from your DSL company's news server,
download the posts that you want, and manage them yourself.

Here's the old-style Google Groups address for
rec.bicycles.tech:

http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?hl=en&lr=&group=rec.bicycles.tech

Here's the new-fangled version that no one seems to like:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8

Carl Fogel

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

As you may have heard, AOL is discontinuing their NG service very soon, I'va
had it with AOL(is that applause I hear?)

So for this very non computer savy guy, who is best? I'm going to pair it with
DSL so I can get calls when on der web for the hr or so each morning.

I would like it to be at least the same $, have more than one email address(for
my alternative identity, me wife, one kid), and it HAS to be
simple..particularly when accessing NG, which, along with email/the web, is
about all I do.

Peter,

You'll end up shopping for the ISP (DSL, cable, or whatever) first.
Just make sure they have a usenet server (or newsgroup, or nntp, or
whatever name they prefer).

I think multiple email accounts is standard for (almost) all the
high-speed providers now. Their support people should be glad, well, at
least able, to walk you through it.

It'll be your call on what software to use with newsgroups. I found
Free Agent very easy to pick up years ago. As you might guess from the
name, it's free. Paid version adds spell checker. Alternatively, you
might want to look at mozilla.org's Thunderbird.

We'll be waiting for the progress report on your new connection!

Pat

[Peter asking about DSL service in Boulder]

Peter,

I've been happy with Netrack in Boulder with Qwest DSL. They'd probably
even visit your home and help you get things set up.

http://www.netrack.com/

I imagine you could get one of your customers to set things up, also,
in exchange for some swag.

RFM

[Peter asking about DSL service in Boulder]

Peter,

I've been happy with Netrack in Boulder with Qwest DSL. They'd probably
even visit your home and help you get things set up.

http://www.netrack.com/

I imagine you could get one of your customers to set things up, also,
in exchange for some swag.

RFM

Quoted message said:

As you may have heard, AOL is discontinuing their NG service
very soon, I'va had it with AOL(is that applause I hear?)

That's riotous jubilation, actually.

Quoted message said:

So for this very non computer savy guy, who is best?

Cheapest is bestest. Before my wife became "Addicted To Web", I used a
local dialup ISP for $9.95/month on a second local-call-only phone line
for $6.95/month -- now I parasite a line off her cable modem through a
cheapo router. I use the full Mozilla Internet Suite: browser, e-mail
client, and newsreader. Fully configurable, easy setup, good user
interface, and it's free. Did I mention I'm a cheapskate? The hardest
part of your Conversion To The True Internet Faith will be expunging the
remnants of AOL from your machine, for which here are instructions:

http://www.calcoastal.net/aolremov.htm

--
"Bicycling is a healthy and manly pursuit with much
to recommend it, and, unlike other foolish crazes,
it has not died out." -- The Daily Telegraph (1877)

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Quoted message said:

As you may have heard, AOL is discontinuing their NG service very soon,
I'va
had it with AOL(is that applause I hear?)

So for this very non computer savy guy, who is best? I'm going to pair it
with
DSL so I can get calls when on der web for the hr or so each morning.

I would like it to be at least the same $, have more than one email
address(for
my alternative identity, me wife, one kid), and it HAS to be
simple..particularly when accessing NG, which, along with email/the web,
is
about all I do.

Thanks!!!!

Peter Chisholm

Golly, Peter, you sure started a hate Microsoft war here. You should have
just gone down to your local internet supplier, who will gladly glue on your
new ADSL modem to sit firmly on the Brooks stool you hand oiled for eleven
years. Then, with either the 36 strand or 48 strand (for hefty megabyte
input) Ethernet cables, you can get more than a single station up and
running. And the damned wire may not be steel, but it is supposed to be
tons better than carbon filaments. BTW, your old posting style (via AOL)
will now be a relic and cherished. I never found it problematic.
--
Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

*******

La vie, c'est comme une bicyclette,
il faut avancer pour ne pas perdre l'équilibre.
-- Einstein, A.

Quoted message said:

So get a DSL connection and also use that company as your
email provider.

If their built-in email program is good enough for you,
fine.

If not, they make it easy to use other email programs like
Outlook to download your email to your computer and manage
it there.

If Google Groups works well enough for rec.bicycles.tech,
just use that.

If you want to download threads and manage them yourself,
get a news reader like Forte Free Agent, tell the password
needed to get threads from your DSL company's news server,
download the posts that you want, and manage them yourself.

I just thought I would add that allthough most agree that google
groups is an abomination, their email service is quite nice. It is
free, you get 1 Gbyte of storage and attachments up to 10M, the
interface is quite good, they allow forwarding, and they allow POP
access so you are free to use some other client if you don't like the
web based one.

LioNiNoiL_a t_Y a h 0 0_d 0 t_c 0 m said:

Quoted message said:

As you may have heard, AOL is discontinuing their NG service
very soon, I'va had it with AOL(is that applause I hear?)

That's riotous jubilation, actually.

Quoted message said:

So for this very non computer savy guy, who is best?

Cheapest is bestest. Before my wife became "Addicted To Web", I used a
local dialup ISP for $9.95/month on a second local-call-only phone
line for $6.95/month -- now I parasite a line off her cable modem
through a cheapo router. I use the full Mozilla Internet Suite:
browser, e-mail client, and newsreader. Fully configurable, easy
setup, good user interface, and it's free. Did I mention I'm a
cheapskate? The hardest part of your Conversion To The True Internet
Faith will be expunging the remnants of AOL from your machine, for
which here are instructions:

http://www.calcoastal.net/aolremov.htm

Doesn't Peter use OS X?

Fritz M said:

[Peter asking about DSL service in Boulder]

Peter,

I've been happy with Netrack in Boulder with Qwest DSL. They'd probably
even visit your home and help you get things set up.

http://www.netrack.com/

I imagine you could get one of your customers to set things up, also,
in exchange for some swag.

RFM

Just what do you have in mind?

Email address works as is.