for Monty- dry skin

"lian" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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I avoid unsaturated fats, and as expected my skin has become extremely
dry.
Of-course, this is no reason to stop avoiding unsaturated fats,
compared
to the advantages I might get from this avoidance.

However, I need to ease the dryness problem, because my skin is
cracking.

I don't want to use synthetic creams made from petrochemicals.
I tried to spreading coconut oil on my skin, but it does not get
absorbed into the skin, which remains oily, and instead my clothing
absorb it and it is wasted.

I would like to know, since you also avoid unsaturated fats, and wrote
once, that you had dry skin, how you deal the problem?
and also:
- What natural substance I can use, which will be absorbed by my skin.
- or is there is something to do with the coconut oil, so it will be
absorbed.
- or is there another solution (for example something I can eat or
other systemic things)

thanks

In the beginning of the internet some clever guy came up with an astounding
idea how to transmit a message to another guy on the internet.. he called it
email.. maybe you would like to think about that concept?
A bulletin board system is not the next best option.

Oh please no..... I really wanna hear this!!

I actually read Monty's stuff w/ interest, and don't want to be prematurely
combative.
But goddamm, "I've eliminated PUFAs, and now my skin is cracking...."
Izzat just mebbe perhaps a CLUE to sumpn?????
But he did say, "as expected"...

I guess if the hair starts falling out, toupes are always an option. 🙂

Without going into details at this point, Monty does make some good points,
and even the 1989 RDA does some hedging on EFAs, but are pretty unambiguous
about their essentiality/deficiency symptoms--the same NRC that Monty cites,
btw.

But w/ things like dryness, cracking skin, etc., where there's smoke there's
fire, generally speaking.
Other vit def's yield similar symptoms, and you would never even *begin* to
think that that would be "OK", toward some "more healthful cause".

I think one of the mistakes being made here is taking "research" too
literally, and/or giving it too much credit.
Half this research is [censored] to begin with, the other half is super-super
specific and likely far afield of the contexts we would *like* to put it in.
There is mebbe .01 of 1% of "research" that really means anything.
The goodol' days of good science are long gone. Doesn't mean good [censored] isn't
being done today, but most of it is buried within the "industrial complex"
for future profit-making potential.

Dudn't mean Monty is wrong.... but I think he's got a very big garden to
hoe--a PUFA-free garden, of course. <g>
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Mr. P.V.'d
formerly Droll Troll
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"lian" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Quoted message said:

I avoid unsaturated fats, and as expected my skin has become extremely
dry.
Of-course, this is no reason to stop avoiding unsaturated fats,
compared
to the advantages I might get from this avoidance.

However, I need to ease the dryness problem, because my skin is
cracking.

I don't want to use synthetic creams made from petrochemicals.
I tried to spreading coconut oil on my skin, but it does not get
absorbed into the skin, which remains oily, and instead my clothing
absorb it and it is wasted.

I would like to know, since you also avoid unsaturated fats, and wrote
once, that you had dry skin, how you deal the problem?
and also:
- What natural substance I can use, which will be absorbed by my skin.
- or is there is something to do with the coconut oil, so it will be
absorbed.
- or is there another solution (for example something I can eat or
other systemic things)

thanks

In the beginning of the internet some clever guy came up with an
astounding idea how to transmit a message to another guy on the internet..
he called it email.. maybe you would like to think about that concept?
A bulletin board system is not the next best option.

My skin was in bad shape before avoiding dietary PUFAs, but as I said
in another post, you should drink more. Tropical fruit juice with no
additives, white teas, lighly roasted coffee, or club soda are good.
I've been using coconut oil as a skin moisturizer, giving up the other
stuff I've used, like aloe vera, etc., and it works great.

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From the Encyclopedia Britannica Book of the Year, 1948, page 121:

"Pyridoxine was found to relieve the deficiency state resulting from
absence of dietary fat... This contradicts the idea that linoleic acid
cannot be synthesized by by rat tissues..."

So you might want to make sure you are getting enough of this B
vitamin. But it is true that you will no longer be "greasy." You can
go for days without taking a shower, actually, as long as you don't do
any strenous physical activity. You will not smell bad, because there
won't be much lipid peroxidation. Again, it's a benefit - there is no
deficiency, and you avoid the "chronic diseases."

I don't use coconut oil on anything but my face, because there's no
problem anywhere else.

lian said:

I avoid unsaturated fats, and as expected my skin has become extremely
dry.
Of-course, this is no reason to stop avoiding unsaturated fats,
compared
to the advantages I might get from this avoidance.

However, I need to ease the dryness problem, because my skin is
cracking.

Hello!

Anybody home? Are you nuts, or what?

Yeah, ... right, ...sure: Just because your skin is starting to die
and fall off your body is no reason to doubt Montygram's advice.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

Where do these rubes come from?

Is there is some fat I can eat that won't harm me, and still
contribute to my skin greasiness/moisture?
w-9 (olive, sesame oil ) or else?

I did like the greasines on my skin when I was eating unsaturated fats,
and as far as I am concerned I should be very greasy!
But I don't want the inflammatory/'biochemical instability' of them.

thanks.
yes, you are right about old pictures.

But something still concerns me about olives/olives oil. I read that
w-9 contributes nothing to the body (meaning it's not "essential"😉.

So I want to know, from *molecular* perspective, and not skin
perspective:
what w-9 (assuming its best quality olives themself, and no heating.
etc) contribute to the body?

I dont' won't to consume it just for the skin (for this I wil suffice
with topical oils), but only if it good for my all body. the "within"
of my body is more important to me then greasiness yes or no of my
skin.

wants to put in other words:
Given I will eat the olives themselves (organic, best quality), so
there is no issue of processing/refining/heating/outer oxidation, what
are their benefits to the body?

Skin dryness concern me, cause it's deepening my wrinkles (I'm a woman
with thin skin).

What is your opinion of GLA ?
Does taking GLA capsules (evening primrose or borage) is bad as w-6
and AA?
Again, if it's harmful, I definitely won't take it just for sake the
skin appearance.

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lian said:

Skin dryness concern me, cause it's deepening my wrinkles (I'm a woman
with thin skin).

What is your opinion of GLA ?
Does taking GLA capsules (evening primrose or borage) is bad as w-6
and AA?
Again, if it's harmful, I definitely won't take it just for sake the
skin appearance.

Seriously.

Take HGH injections if you can afford it and if you can get an Rx.

It has literally worked MIRACLES for the skin of my 73 year old
housemate! Even the Dr. commented on it a couple of days ago. She had
not seen him for one year. His skin is thicker, smoother and no longer
gets huge bruises with every cut and scrape like was happening when we
started. We have changed nothing else.

We give him one IU twice per week is all rather than the 0.5 IU per day
that is the usual.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

You will destroy you skin with PUFAs. The "essential fatty acid" stuff
is TOTAL nonsense, or worse, because dietary PUFAs are so dangerous.
Search for montygram here and read my posts about this scam. GLA is
just not as dangerous as AA. It's a long, technical story that you
probably don't want to hear, but it's not going to help your skin at
all, except in the context of being less dangerous than AA.

You should take gelatin supplements, or just buy gelatin at your local
super market. There are brands that say they are for better skin, and
on this rare occasion, the supplement makers are correct. But remember,
if you take the wrong kind olive oil, you will be doing harm - that's
why I said eat the purplish olives (stay away from the black ones),
rather than use the oil. Use fresh coconut oil on your face. If you
don't get the omega 6s/3s out of your cells, you will get terrible
wrinkles. Remember, saturated fatty acids have a firming quality -
they pack together tightly and don't cause free radical damage to skin
cells, but the PUFAs do. Let your body make its own PUFAs as it sees
fit. You should also take pregnenolone supplements if you are in your
mid 30s or older, and eat the other things I mentioned: whole milk,
non-homogenized dairy, berries and other fruit, dark chocolate, coconut
products, boiled eggs, etc. Do not eat prepared food that has dairy or
eggs listed, because then you will be ingesting oxidized cholesterol.
You can make quick breads with hardly any fat (just spread a little
coconut oil on the pan to prevent sticking) and no cholesterol. Drink
white tea, lightly roasted coffee, club soda/seltzer, or tropical fruit
juice with no additives. Take calcium and magnesium in the citrate
forms and also some vitamin D. Small amounts of B complex are a good
idea, and perhaps small amounts of copper as well.

"lian" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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I avoid unsaturated fats, and as expected my skin has become extremely
dry. Of-course, this is no reason to stop avoiding unsaturated fats,
compared to the advantages I might get from this avoidance.
However, I need to ease the dryness problem, because my skin is
cracking.

Did you consider that your skin is the biggest and most effective defense
system against all kinds of viruses, bacteria, fungi and so forth and that
this very defense is going to hell because you believed the words of a total
nutcase off the internet who makes you believe he knows what he is talking
about?

He is neither a doctor nor does he have any degree in chemistry,
biochemistry, pharmacy or anything in that area.
I hope you really are just montygram's alter ego.

If you read Bruce Fife's book, Coconut Cures, he addresses all the
issues. I don't know who MMu is or what his credentials are, but I
address the points he makes in a scientific way, not by name calling.
That is his "MO," not mine (though I do like to throw in a joke now and
then). By MMu's logic, we should all eat loads of coconut oil, because
Mary Enig, one of the leading fatty acid experts in the world (she has
the credentials), says that we should do so (as does biochemist Ray
Peat and others, like the Ottobonis), but I think for myself, and I
also try things out for myself, and make observations. If these
criticss were correct, I would not be alive now, 4 years after avoiding
all major sources of omega 3s and 6s. It is impossible for them to be
correct (the literature says that I should have experienced "deficiency
symptoms" within 3 weeks), and what's even more ridiculous, the
evidence they cites demonstrates the opposite of what they say it does.
Then there is the raw demographic data, which shows that those who eat
large amounts of coconut oil have near zero "chronic disease" (the
Coconut Cures book has some good citations there, but you can just
review the data on the WHO web site). If you think for yourself, you
will see how silly (and dangerous) their claims are.

Do you have any preferences as to the best kind of coconut oil to buy.

Ora

"montygram" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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If you read Bruce Fife's book, Coconut Cures, he addresses all the
issues.

I base my opinions on actual scientific studies and the primary literature,
not on a book written purely for profit.

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I don't know who MMu is or what his credentials are, but I
address the points he makes in a scientific way, not by name calling.

No, you don't. Otherwise we would already have had a good exchange of
arguments.
You post you half-truths and bend-together theories and as soon as you
points are criticized you run.
You don't address any points.

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That is his "MO," not mine (though I do like to throw in a joke now and
then). By MMu's logic, we should all eat loads of coconut oil, because
Mary Enig, one of the leading fatty acid experts in the world (she has
the credentials), says that we should do so (as does biochemist Ray
Peat and others, like the Ottobonis),

You didn't read properly. I never mentioned coconut oil in my post or do you
see it somewhere?
So much for "addressing my points".

If lack of w3 and w6 PUFA makes your skin dry and cracking my recommendation
is not to eat coconut oil but to normalize the w3 and w6 levels until dry
skin disappears- was that so hard to read out?

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but I think for myself, and I
also try things out for myself, and make observations.

the wrong observations unfortunately.. and that is because you were never
trained as a scientist and don't know the basics behind it all.

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If these
criticss were correct, I would not be alive now, 4 years after avoiding
all major sources of omega 3s and 6s. It is impossible for them to be
correct (the literature says that I should have experienced "deficiency
symptoms" within 3 weeks), and what's even more ridiculous, the
evidence they cites demonstrates the opposite of what they say it does.

Again wrong. The literature says that if you leave out all sources of w3 and
w6 you will become deficient.

You listed pieces from your diet a few times and it DOES contain both w3 and
w6 oils.

If you want to make a point that you are indeed "deficient" (as you would
quote) why don't you apply scientific method to your claim and make a simple
blood test to proove that your mead acid levels really are elevated?

That is the way science works you know.. a theory, an experiment, a proof or
no proof.

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Then there is the raw demographic data, which shows that those who eat
large amounts of coconut oil have near zero "chronic disease" (the
Coconut Cures book has some good citations there, but you can just
review the data on the WHO web site). If you think for yourself, you
will see how silly (and dangerous) their claims are.

There is also demographic data that those who consume plenty of fish oil
during their natural diet (the japanese) have the longest lifespan on earth.

If i missed it sorry for the repeat, but I haven't seen anyone
mention drinking more water for dry skin. It can make huge difference.

The typical person gets 20 to 1 (or more) omega 6s to 3s. It should be
way closer to 1:1. 6's are inflammatory - 3s anti. As many ailments
are caused by inflammation cutting the 6s is important. Adding more
3s in the form of a GOOD fish oil, 9s and 7s in the form of Olive or
Macadamia oil is not only good for the skin but many other issues.