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  1. In our modern, technology-driven age, an ever increasing
    number of labor-saving conveniences and gadgets
    contribute to the reduction in average daily energy
    expenditure that favors the development of obesity.

    Although physical activity and exercise are factors in
    successful weight reduction programs, the contribution
    of exercise to weight loss is modest at best. For example,
    approximately 40 miles of walking is required to metabolize
    1 kg of fat. The effect of exercise on weight loss is
    variable, but most studies I have been shown, interpreted
    by researches themselves, only a small reduction
    (;2 kg)and some show no benefit at all.

    Furthermore, most studies show that weight loss induced
    by exercise alone is inferior to that achieved by diet
    alone. However, exercise is probably independently
    important to the well-being of overweight and
    obese individuals because physical activity increases maximal
    oxygen uptake and thus cardiorespiratory fitness.

    Moreover, maintenance of weight loss is
    facilitated by regular exercise. Unfortunately, the unrealistic
    expectations of weight loss from exercise regimens
    that are promoted by many commercial enterprises
    may lead to disappointment and discontinuation of exercise.

    Development of a consistently achievable exercise
    program for each overweight patient is essential. Although
    it is difficult, even the most obese patients may
    be able to participate in some form of appropriately
    designed physical activity. To point, exercise is always preferential but
    due to the fact that regular exercise may be both difficult, expensive and
    time consuming, most Americans achieve weight loss/control without it.

    Let's not forget that the greatest value of aerobic (O2 dependent) exercise
    is for the health of the cardiorespiratory system. Anaerobic strength
    training enhances functionality of movement (if properly designed)
    especially as a person gets older and creates/keeps certain abilities that
    will be useful in remaining self-determining and maintaining.

  2. In article <[email hidden]>,

    MU said:

    Moreover, maintenance of weight loss is
    facilitated by regular exercise.

    Which doesn't really support your position that most people who sucessfully
    maintain weight loss do so without exercise.

    Quoted message said:

    Unfortunately, the unrealistic
    expectations of weight loss from exercise regimens
    that are promoted by many commercial enterprises
    may lead to disappointment and discontinuation of exercise.

    That is unfortunate, and true. Penn and Teller had this great show on the
    Showtime cable network called "[censored]." Each episode dealt with a
    different aspect of society, and they did one about exercise. They spent a
    lot of time on home gyms and "devices" sold on infomercials.

    Most of those before and after shots are bull. It's typical, for example,
    for companies to use a shot of a pregnant woman as a "before" and a shot of
    her after losing the pregnancy weight as her "after."

    Just twenty minutes a day on our miracle machine and you will look like
    this guy! Yeah, right. They point out on the show that how "buff" you can
    get is only partly from how much exercise you do, and a whole lot based on
    genetics.

    It's a shame that these [censored] companies get people's expectations so
    high, when the truth is that regular exercise has many benefits to the
    body, mind, and spirit, even if you don't end up looking like the
    professional body builders in the commercials. I guess they wouldn't sell
    as many machines if they said "Work your ass off and you will see slight
    improvements over time."

    --
    Michelle Levin
    http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

    I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

  3. Luna said:
    Quoted message said:

    Moreover, maintenance of weight loss is
    facilitated by regular exercise.

    Which doesn't really support your position that most people who sucessfully
    maintain weight loss do so without exercise.

    "facilitated" = make easy, assist forward, promote, expedite NOT required

  4. Luna said:

    Penn and Teller had this great show on the
    Showtime cable network called "[censored]." Each episode dealt with a
    different aspect of society, and they did one about exercise. They spent a
    lot of time on home gyms and "devices" sold on infomercials.

    Saw it. Spot on.

    Quoted message said:

    Most of those before and after shots are bull. It's typical, for example,
    for companies to use a shot of a pregnant woman as a "before" and a shot of
    her after losing the pregnancy weight as her "after."

    Lies? No, don't say it.

    Quoted message said:

    Just twenty minutes a day on our miracle machine and you will look like
    this guy! Yeah, right. They point out on the show that how "buff" you can
    get is only partly from how much exercise you do, and a whole lot based on
    genetics.

    Everyone improves; you did.

    Quoted message said:

    It's a shame that these [censored] companies get people's expectations so
    high, when the truth is that regular exercise has many benefits to the
    body, mind, and spirit, even if you don't end up looking like the
    professional body builders in the commercials. I guess they wouldn't sell
    as many machines if they said "Work your ass off and you will see slight
    improvements over time."

    Correct. A shame and a fraud.

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    MU said:
    Luna said:

    Penn and Teller had this great show on the
    Showtime cable network called "[censored]." Each episode dealt with a
    different aspect of society, and they did one about exercise. They spent a
    lot of time on home gyms and "devices" sold on infomercials.

    Saw it. Spot on.

    Quoted message said:

    Most of those before and after shots are bull. It's typical, for example,
    for companies to use a shot of a pregnant woman as a "before" and a shot of
    her after losing the pregnancy weight as her "after."

    Lies? No, don't say it.

    Quoted message said:

    Just twenty minutes a day on our miracle machine and you will look like
    this guy! Yeah, right. They point out on the show that how "buff" you can
    get is only partly from how much exercise you do, and a whole lot based on
    genetics.

    Everyone improves; you did.

    Sure. I'm not going to look like a professional athelete from 20 minutes a
    day with a thighmaster though. The thing about genetics is that it places
    a limit on what your body can look like, but you can't find that limit
    without effort. When I look at the women in my family, some are fat and
    some are thin, but we all have the same overall _shape_ of big hips,
    thighs, and butts compared to our waists. So, I assume that even when I
    get to my ideal weight and body fat percentage, I still will be a pear
    shape. I will never be a triangle.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    It's a shame that these [censored] companies get people's expectations so
    high, when the truth is that regular exercise has many benefits to the
    body, mind, and spirit, even if you don't end up looking like the
    professional body builders in the commercials. I guess they wouldn't sell
    as many machines if they said "Work your ass off and you will see slight
    improvements over time."

    Correct. A shame and a fraud.

    --
    Michelle Levin
    http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

    I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

  6. Luna said:
    Quoted message said:

    Everyone improves; you did.

    Sure. I'm not going to look like a professional athelete from 20 minutes a
    day with a thighmaster though.

    Tell me your not using that thing. Please. I was referring to Curves.

    Quoted message said:

    The thing about genetics is that it places
    a limit on what your body can look like, but you can't find that limit
    without effort. When I look at the women in my family, some are fat and
    some are thin, but we all have the same overall _shape_ of big hips,
    thighs, and butts compared to our waists. So, I assume that even when I
    get to my ideal weight and body fat percentage, I still will be a pear
    shape. I will never be a triangle.

    Bone structures, yes. But this post to you is pointed to the rationale of
    exercise and weight loss/control as a "necessary" combination.

  7. In article <[email hidden]>,

    MU said:
    Luna said:
    Quoted message said:

    Everyone improves; you did.

    Sure. I'm not going to look like a professional athelete from 20 minutes a
    day with a thighmaster though.

    Tell me your not using that thing. Please. I was referring to Curves.

    I had a thighmaster when they first came out, lol. Curves did contribute
    to my weight loss, I believe. Going from doing no exercise to Curves 3
    times a week was at least something. And, they never promoted it as a way
    to look like a bodybuilder.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The thing about genetics is that it places
    a limit on what your body can look like, but you can't find that limit
    without effort. When I look at the women in my family, some are fat and
    some are thin, but we all have the same overall _shape_ of big hips,
    thighs, and butts compared to our waists. So, I assume that even when I
    get to my ideal weight and body fat percentage, I still will be a pear
    shape. I will never be a triangle.

    Bone structures, yes. But this post to you is pointed to the rationale of
    exercise and weight loss/control as a "necessary" combination.

    I'm sure people _can_ lose weight and maintain it without exercise. I just
    question your statement that _most_ sucessful people do it that way. I
    believe that most sucessful losers/maintainers do it with a combination of
    diet and exercise. Doing it with exercise alone, if the diet is that of a
    typical fat American (huge portions, convenience foods, lots of carbs and
    fat) would mean hours upon hours of vigorous exercise which most people
    don't have the time or inclination for. On the other hand, doing it with
    diet alone may require more willpower than the average person has,
    especially when it comes to maintenance. If you reach equilibrium on a
    strict diet, and you get down to a healthy weight, it becomes even harder
    to pass up the occasional treat. After all, a person may reason, I'm not
    fat anymore so I can eat this piece of cake or whatever. Thus begins a
    slippery slope to regaining. But, if they exercise regularly, it could
    easily be enough to offset the occasional treat without regaining. You can
    have a balance of exercising for a reasonable period of time instead of as
    a full-time job, and be able to enjoy some "fattening" foods in moderation,
    without regaining weight. My hypothesis is that this strategy works
    because it is a more enjoyable way to live than either "exercise only" or
    "diet only."

    --
    Michelle Levin
    http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

    I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.


  8. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Bone structures, yes. But this post to you is pointed to the rationale of
    exercise and weight loss/control as a "necessary" combination.

    Luna said:

    I'm sure people _can_ lose weight and maintain it without exercise. I just
    question your statement that _most_ sucessful people do it that way. I
    believe that most sucessful losers/maintainers do it with a combination of
    diet and exercise.

    Just not the case.

    Quoted message said:

    Doing it with exercise alone, if the diet is that of a
    typical fat American (huge portions, convenience foods, lots of carbs and
    fat) would mean hours upon hours of vigorous exercise which most people
    don't have the time or inclination for. On the other hand, doing it with
    diet alone may require more willpower than the average person has,
    especially when it comes to maintenance. If you reach equilibrium on a
    strict diet, and you get down to a healthy weight, it becomes even harder
    to pass up the occasional treat. After all, a person may reason, I'm not
    fat anymore so I can eat this piece of cake or whatever. Thus begins a
    slippery slope to regaining. But, if they exercise regularly, it could
    easily be enough to offset the occasional treat without regaining.

    Sit on the sofa for 30 minutes= 50 cals. Walk on the treadmill for 30
    minutes at 4 mph = 200 cals. Do the math. How many treats are only 150
    cals?

    Quoted message said:

    You can
    have a balance of exercising for a reasonable period of time instead of as
    a full-time job, and be able to enjoy some "fattening" foods in moderation,
    without regaining weight. My hypothesis is that this strategy works
    because it is a more enjoyable way to live than either "exercise only" or
    "diet only."

    <sigh> Ok I give up. It's the same old problem.

    Eat too much, exercise it off. Doesn't work. Pretty soon that "treat" =
    love of food gets eaten everyday. No one exercises every day.

  9. Luna said:

    But, if they exercise regularly, it could
    easily be enough to offset the occasional treat without regaining. You can
    have a balance of exercising for a reasonable period of time instead of as
    a full-time job, and be able to enjoy some "fattening" foods in moderation,
    without regaining weight. My hypothesis is that this strategy works
    because it is a more enjoyable way to live than either "exercise only" or
    "diet only."

    My hypothesis is that you want to have your cake and eat it too.

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    MU said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Bone structures, yes. But this post to you is pointed to the rationale of
    exercise and weight loss/control as a "necessary" combination.

    Luna said:

    I'm sure people _can_ lose weight and maintain it without exercise. I just
    question your statement that _most_ sucessful people do it that way. I
    believe that most sucessful losers/maintainers do it with a combination of
    diet and exercise.

    Just not the case.

    You keep saying this. Is this your opinion, or a fact?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Doing it with exercise alone, if the diet is that of a
    typical fat American (huge portions, convenience foods, lots of carbs and
    fat) would mean hours upon hours of vigorous exercise which most people
    don't have the time or inclination for. On the other hand, doing it with
    diet alone may require more willpower than the average person has,
    especially when it comes to maintenance. If you reach equilibrium on a
    strict diet, and you get down to a healthy weight, it becomes even harder
    to pass up the occasional treat. After all, a person may reason, I'm not
    fat anymore so I can eat this piece of cake or whatever. Thus begins a
    slippery slope to regaining. But, if they exercise regularly, it could
    easily be enough to offset the occasional treat without regaining.

    Sit on the sofa for 30 minutes= 50 cals. Walk on the treadmill for 30
    minutes at 4 mph = 200 cals. Do the math. How many treats are only 150
    cals?

    Um. Plenty. And did I ever say the hypothetical person had to eat a treat
    every day? How about: a 300 calorie treat one day a week, and the
    treadmill three days a week? And weightlifting 2 or 3 days a week? And
    yardwork once a week? And housecleaning every day?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You can
    have a balance of exercising for a reasonable period of time instead of as
    a full-time job, and be able to enjoy some "fattening" foods in moderation,
    without regaining weight. My hypothesis is that this strategy works
    because it is a more enjoyable way to live than either "exercise only" or
    "diet only."

    <sigh> Ok I give up. It's the same old problem.

    Eat too much, exercise it off. Doesn't work.

    If you can exercise it off, i.e. not regain weight, then it's not eating
    too much. Obviously.

    Quoted message said:

    Pretty soon that "treat" =
    love of food gets eaten everyday.

    Plenty of people eat every day without gaining weight.

    Quoted message said:

    No one exercises every day.

    That may be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. I know
    plenty of people who do in fact exercise every day. Oh, but not when
    they're sick and running a fever. Maybe that's what you meant. Yeah, a
    couple of days off a year is really going to put the weight back on.

    And why do you keep crossposting this to the cardiology group? Just to be
    a P.I.T.A.?

    --
    Michelle Levin
    http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

    I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

  11. MU said:

    In our modern, technology-driven age, an ever increasing
    number of labor-saving conveniences and gadgets
    contribute to the reduction in average daily energy
    expenditure that favors the development of obesity.

    Although physical activity and exercise are factors in
    successful weight reduction programs, the contribution
    of exercise to weight loss is modest at best. For example,
    approximately 40 miles of walking is required to metabolize
    1 kg of fat. The effect of exercise on weight loss is
    variable, but most studies I have been shown, interpreted
    by researches themselves, only a small reduction
    (;2 kg)and some show no benefit at all.

    I have known several people who have used walking 10 to 15 miles per day
    to reduce weight and improve health.

    According to your numbers above, 40 mile of walking metabolizes 1 Kg of
    fat or 2.2 Lbs of fat. So 10 miles of walking would metabolize about 0.5
    Lbs of fat and walking 15 miles per day would metabolize about o.75 (
    3/4 Lb ) lb per day of fat.

    Metabolizing half a pound PER DAY of fat seems like a grand thing, and
    it would take about 2 to 3 hours of walking exercise to accomplish.

    True, that much walking is not likely to be undertaken by every Tom,
    [censored] or Harry or every Theresa, Diana or Heather.

    But, for the few who have done it, it works.

    Most people have trouble losing weight no matter how they try it,
    including your favorite diet program.

    I know several who cannot lose on "low carb", according to their own
    testimony.

    Those who can't walk 10 or 15 miles per day will have slower weight
    reduction progress than those who can.

    JIm

    Quoted message said:

    Furthermore, most studies show that weight loss induced
    by exercise alone is inferior to that achieved by diet
    alone. However, exercise is probably independently
    important to the well-being of overweight and
    obese individuals because physical activity increases maximal
    oxygen uptake and thus cardiorespiratory fitness.

    Moreover, maintenance of weight loss is
    facilitated by regular exercise. Unfortunately, the unrealistic
    expectations of weight loss from exercise regimens
    that are promoted by many commercial enterprises
    may lead to disappointment and discontinuation of exercise.

    Development of a consistently achievable exercise
    program for each overweight patient is essential. Although
    it is difficult, even the most obese patients may
    be able to participate in some form of appropriately
    designed physical activity. To point, exercise is always preferential but
    due to the fact that regular exercise may be both difficult, expensive and
    time consuming, most Americans achieve weight loss/control without it.

    Let's not forget that the greatest value of aerobic (O2 dependent) exercise
    is for the health of the cardiorespiratory system. Anaerobic strength
    training enhances functionality of movement (if properly designed)
    especially as a person gets older and creates/keeps certain abilities that
    will be useful in remaining self-determining and maintaining.

    --
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  12. jbuch said:


    Those who can't walk 10 or 15 miles per day will have slower weight
    reduction progress than those who can.

    JIm

    Probabaly most people would look at that adistance and think "no
    way!".....but if you just get out there and push yourself a bit you can
    quite easily work up to something like that.

  13. Luna said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm sure people _can_ lose weight and maintain it without exercise. I just
    question your statement that _most_ sucessful people do it that way. I
    believe that most sucessful losers/maintainers do it with a combination of
    diet and exercise.

    Mu:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Just not the case.

    Luna:

    Quoted message said:

    You keep saying this. Is this your opinion, or a fact?

    Fact backed by my opinion and experience and observations and conversations
    with hundreds of trainers all over the world who have seen the same thing.
    Believe it, don't believe it. It's up to you.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Doing it with exercise alone, if the diet is that of a
    typical fat American (huge portions, convenience foods, lots of carbs and
    fat) would mean hours upon hours of vigorous exercise which most people
    don't have the time or inclination for. On the other hand, doing it with
    diet alone may require more willpower than the average person has,
    especially when it comes to maintenance. If you reach equilibrium on a
    strict diet, and you get down to a healthy weight, it becomes even harder
    to pass up the occasional treat. After all, a person may reason, I'm not
    fat anymore so I can eat this piece of cake or whatever. Thus begins a
    slippery slope to regaining. But, if they exercise regularly, it could
    easily be enough to offset the occasional treat without regaining.

    Mu:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    No one exercises every day.

    Luna:

    Quoted message said:

    That may be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. I know
    plenty of people who do in fact exercise every day. Oh, but not when
    they're sick and running a fever. Maybe that's what you meant.

    I meant what I said. No one exercises every day. Add injury, car broke
    down, out of town and a myriad of other things. No one exercises every day.

    Quoted message said:

    Yeah, a
    couple of days off a year is really going to put the weight back on.

    Not the point.

    Quoted message said:

    And why do you keep crossposting this to the cardiology group? Just to be
    a P.I.T.A.?

    And why do you keep uncrossposting this to the cardiology group? Just to
    be a P.I.T.A.?

  14. jbuch said:

    I have known several people who have used walking 10 to 15 miles per day
    to reduce weight and improve health.

    So do I. It's not required.

    Quoted message said:

    According to your numbers above, 40 mile of walking metabolizes 1 Kg of
    fat or 2.2 Lbs of fat. So 10 miles of walking would metabolize about 0.5
    Lbs of fat and walking 15 miles per day would metabolize about o.75 (
    3/4 Lb ) lb per day of fat.

    Metabolizing half a pound PER DAY of fat seems like a grand thing, and
    it would take about 2 to 3 hours of walking exercise to accomplish.

    True, that much walking is not likely to be undertaken by every Tom,
    [censored] or Harry or every Theresa, Diana or Heather.

    But, for the few who have done it, it works.

    Works, yes, necessary, no, for Exercise And Weight Control/Maintenance

    Quoted message said:

    Most people have trouble losing weight no matter how they try it,
    including your favorite diet program.

    I know several who cannot lose on "low carb", according to their own
    testimony.

    They lose, they regain, the vast majority in just 6 months.

    Quoted message said:

    Those who can't walk 10 or 15 miles per day will have slower weight
    reduction progress than those who can.

    How so? Depends on what they do instead of the walk. Like eat 2 pounds per
    day or less every day.

  15. Xtile said:
    Quoted message said:


    Those who can't walk 10 or 15 miles per day will have slower weight
    reduction progress than those who can.

    JIm

    Probabaly most people would look at that adistance and think "no
    way!".....but if you just get out there and push yourself a bit you can
    quite easily work up to something like that.

    Yes, but you would need to have a lot of free time. Few do. Personally, I
    am not interested in spending this amount of time on this activity since it
    is paralleled with increased injury. YMMV. Literally.

  16. In article <[email hidden]>,

    jbuch said:

    I have known several people who have used walking 10 to 15 miles per day
    to reduce weight and improve health.

    That's a lot of time spent walking each day. At 4mph, it'd take appx.
    2h:30m to 3h:45m. I could see that distance once a week, but not a whole
    lot more than that.

    Quoted message said:

    According to your numbers above, 40 mile of walking metabolizes 1 Kg of
    fat or 2.2 Lbs of fat. So 10 miles of walking would metabolize about 0.5
    Lbs of fat and walking 15 miles per day would metabolize about o.75 (
    3/4 Lb ) lb per day of fat.

    Unless I'm misreading here or other sources in the past, I think MU's
    figures are a little off - like double. The comments I've run across in
    the past all seem to quote walking at 4mph to burn about 100 cals/mile
    (depending on a person's weight). So it'd take about 35 miles per pound.

    Ah, here's a link to a calc for different exercises:
    <http://www.exrx.net/Calculators/Calories.html>

    10 miles would equal appx. 1000 cals
    15 miles would equal appx. 1500 cals

    Also, keep in mind this is for a 4mph pace. Go slower and you'll burn
    less.

    --
    "Sure we'll have fascism in America, but it'll come disguised
    as 100% Americanism." -- Huey P. Long

  17. Owen Lowe wrote:
    || In article <[email hidden]>,
    || jbuch <[email hidden]> wrote:
    ||
    ||| I have known several people who have used walking 10 to 15 miles
    ||| per day to reduce weight and improve health.
    ||
    || That's a lot of time spent walking each day. At 4mph, it'd take appx.
    || 2h:30m to 3h:45m. I could see that distance once a week, but not a
    || whole lot more than that.
    ||
    ||| According to your numbers above, 40 mile of walking metabolizes 1
    ||| Kg of fat or 2.2 Lbs of fat. So 10 miles of walking would
    ||| metabolize about 0.5 Lbs of fat and walking 15 miles per day
    ||| would metabolize about o.75 ( 3/4 Lb ) lb per day of fat.
    ||
    || Unless I'm misreading here or other sources in the past, I think MU's
    || figures are a little off - like double. The comments I've run across
    || in the past all seem to quote walking at 4mph to burn about 100
    || cals/mile (depending on a person's weight). So it'd take about 35
    || miles per pound.
    ||
    || Ah, here's a link to a calc for different exercises:
    || <http://www.exrx.net/Calculators/Calories.html>
    ||
    || 10 miles would equal appx. 1000 cals
    || 15 miles would equal appx. 1500 cals
    ||
    || Also, keep in mind this is for a 4mph pace. Go slower and you'll burn
    || less.

    Weigh more and you'll burn more.

  18. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Roger Zoul said:

    Weigh more and you'll burn more.

    Right, but to expend the energy equivalent of 7700 cals (1kg or 2.2 lbs
    at appx. 3500 cals/lb of fat) over 40 miles at 4mph would require one to
    weigh a tad over 288 lbs. Last time I visited Luna's website she didn't
    appear to weigh anywhere near 288 lbs. 🙂

    Also consider that all of those calories are not going to originate from
    fat stores.

    --
    "Sure we'll have fascism in America, but it'll come disguised
    as 100% Americanism." -- Huey P. Long

  19. Owen Lowe wrote:
    || In article <[email hidden]>,
    || "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    ||
    ||| Weigh more and you'll burn more.
    ||
    || Right, but to expend the energy equivalent of 7700 cals (1kg or 2.2
    || lbs at appx. 3500 cals/lb of fat) over 40 miles at 4mph would
    || require one to weigh a tad over 288 lbs. Last time I visited Luna's
    || website she didn't appear to weigh anywhere near 288 lbs. 🙂

    Plenty of people here start out there or even higher!

    ||
    || Also consider that all of those calories are not going to originate
    || from fat stores.
    ||

    Yeah, but burned calories won't end up on your butt.

  20. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Roger Zoul said:

    ||| Weigh more and you'll burn more.
    ||
    || Right, but to expend the energy equivalent of 7700 cals (1kg or 2.2
    || lbs at appx. 3500 cals/lb of fat) over 40 miles at 4mph would
    || require one to weigh a tad over 288 lbs. Last time I visited Luna's
    || website she didn't appear to weigh anywhere near 288 lbs. 🙂

    Plenty of people here start out there or even higher!

    ||
    || Also consider that all of those calories are not going to originate
    || from fat stores.
    ||

    Yeah, but burned calories won't end up on your butt.

    Both very true.

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    as 100% Americanism." -- Huey P. Long

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