For I-Pod users

On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:42:23 GMT, Freeper scum lump, "Sorni"
<[email hidden]> lied:

Quoted message said:

Never tried crack (was it even around before 1982?), and have been a
successful business owner since 1986.

Pimping your pooch to perverts does not qualify as a business, kook
--
zk

"Zoot Katz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

True, but it sure helps.

Of course.

Quoted message said:

Why handicap yourself while endangering
others just for that lame ass [censored] you've already heard?

You gotta use common sense. Riding solo on a quiet country road is one
thing and riding in city traffic is another.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Marz said:

And what exactly are you listening for while you ride your bike.

Cries for help.

Trucks' beepers as they back out of blind alleys
or driveways, onto the street. Especially
garbage trucks.

Car door slams and engine startups up ahead in
the line of parked cars alongside me.

Stuff happening (kids playing, etc) behind
parked cars and out of sight.

Hails & greetings from friends and other riders.

Ice cream trucks.

People letting me know something fell out
of my milk crate (usually it's gloves.)

The sound of blinkie lenses clattering onto
the pavement.

cheers,
Tom

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Tom Keats said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Marz said:

And what exactly are you listening for while you ride your bike.

The sound of blinkie lenses clattering onto the pavement.

I've developed a finely attuned ear for the sound of my cellphone, keys,
or other things falling and sliding across the pavement.

--
Dane Buson - [email hidden]
USENET would be a better laboratory is there were more labor and less oratory.
-- Elizabeth Haley

Not disagreeing that it's silly.

Personally, I think that a distracted driver law is far more sensible
than banning each category of distraction, although it then leads to
the question of who decides what is distracting.

I'm always horrified by the folks who, while wearing ear buds, have the
volume loud enough for me to distinguish the tune at 4 meters distance.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

Jeff

On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 23:09:14 GMT, Freeper scum, "Sorni"

compulsively said:

\whack nothing of importance
Now let's hear you whimper about snipping your worthless drivel.

You've become far too predictable, kook.
--
zk

Zoot Katz said:

Sorni said:

\whack nothing of importance
Now let's hear you whimper about snipping your worthless drivel.

You've become far too predictable, kook.

Gee, good one, Snoot.

Bill "?????????????????" S.

Tom Keats said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Marz said:

And what exactly are you listening for while you ride your bike.

Cries for help.

Who are you, Super Cyclist, do you have a cape?

Quoted message said:

Trucks' beepers as they back out of blind alleys
or driveways, onto the street. Especially
garbage trucks.

If you can't notice the ass of a truck coming out of a side street
you've got other problems. Plus I can always hear sirens, horns and
beepers over my music.

Quoted message said:

Car door slams and engine startups up ahead in
the line of parked cars alongside me.

A good point when riding in a quiet neighbour, but I'd have thought
impossible to notice on a busy street.

Quoted message said:

Stuff happening (kids playing, etc) behind
parked cars and out of sight.

Hails & greetings from friends and other riders.

Ice cream trucks.

Now you're starting to make me regret being plugged in and tuned out.
🙂

Quoted message said:

People letting me know something fell out
of my milk crate (usually it's gloves.)

The sound of blinkie lenses clattering onto
the pavement.

You're right there are some sounds that add to the whole cycling
experience and on most of my local rides I'm not usualy plugged in.
It's usually on my training rides I like to have a track list where the
BPM is going to help maintain a high HR. My point was that I never feel
I'm affecting my safety by adding a backing track to my ride.

Laters,

Marz

landotter wrote:
:: Andrew Price wrote:
::: On 5 Apr 2006 07:54:21 -0700, "landotter" <[email hidden]>
::: wrote:
:::
:::: Oh the "don't wear headphones because it's againt the law on a
:::: bike" vs the smug "I'm so special I don't need to obey the law"
:::: discussion?
:::
::: Where is it against the law? Not here, it ain't.
::
:: Really? It's against the law in most states, including NY, VA, PA,
:: TN, IL and so on.
::
:: At any rate it's incredibly stupid, and even stupider is claiming
:: that it's not stupid.

You really don't know what you're talking about.....

Bill Baka wrote:
:: Gooserider wrote:
::: "Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
::: news:[email hidden]...
:::
:::: landotter wrote:
::::
::::: Better yet, get rid of the in-ear phones and get some full cup
::::: cans which are further away from your ear bits. Not totally safe
::::: either at high volume, but better--and nicer sound as well. Cheap
::::: Sennheiser HD202s will blow the stock 'phones away. Don't wear
::::: them on your bike.
:::::
::::
:::: Definitely not on a bike, but I have seen pedestrians wearing them
:::: and not in the least aware of their surroundings. Maybe those are
:::: the targets for a 'Darwin' event. It may not be a direct relation,
:::: but I did hear a story of a woman so involved in a cell phone
:::: conversation that she walked in front of a train.
:::: Be safe.
:::: Bill
:::
:::
::: Let's not start this again.
:::
:::
:: I didn't post that as a bicycle thing, just that there was an ear
:: issue with volume. Preserve your ears at home so you can hear when
:: riding.
:: I don't expect anyone here to be dumb enough to wear phones AND ride.
:: Bill

don't you find it difficult to hear at times when there is a lot of wind
noise? Can you hear over loud wind noise?

landotter wrote:
:: Gooserider wrote:
::: "landotter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
::: news:[email hidden]...
:::: should abled folk be allowed to park in disabled spaces?
:::
::: That's not the same. If hearing is SO important to riding a bicycle
::: that the usage of an iPod is akin to a suicide attempt, then deaf
::: people should be banned from the roads.
::
:: Complete and utter [censored].
::
:: Deaf people have spent a lifetime learning to compensate for their
:: disability, you have not.
::
:: Case closed, bye, and oh yeah: it's illegal.

You're really stupid. Oh, that's legal. Sad but true.

[email hidden] wrote:
:: Thanks Bill.
::
:: Personally, it's not too relevant. I rarely raise the volume above
:: 25%. If it's noisy enough to require much more than that, it's too
:: noisy to be listening to music.

In my experience, if it's noisy enough to require more than that, you can't
hear anything other than the noise, anyway.

Roger Zoul said:

Bill Baka wrote:
:: Gooserider wrote:
::: "Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
::: news:[email hidden]...
:::
:::: landotter wrote:
::::
::::: Better yet, get rid of the in-ear phones and get some full cup
::::: cans which are further away from your ear bits. Not totally safe
::::: either at high volume, but better--and nicer sound as well. Cheap
::::: Sennheiser HD202s will blow the stock 'phones away. Don't wear
::::: them on your bike.
:::::
::::
:::: Definitely not on a bike, but I have seen pedestrians wearing them
:::: and not in the least aware of their surroundings. Maybe those are
:::: the targets for a 'Darwin' event. It may not be a direct relation,
:::: but I did hear a story of a woman so involved in a cell phone
:::: conversation that she walked in front of a train.
:::: Be safe.
:::: Bill
:::
:::
::: Let's not start this again.
:::
:::
:: I didn't post that as a bicycle thing, just that there was an ear
:: issue with volume. Preserve your ears at home so you can hear when
:: riding.
:: I don't expect anyone here to be dumb enough to wear phones AND ride.
:: Bill

don't you find it difficult to hear at times when there is a lot of wind
noise? Can you hear over loud wind noise?

If it is that windy I will probably go for a run instead of ride. I can
hear someone coming up behind me up until about 30 MPH which I only
exceed (rarely) on a sprint or on a good downhill. Using 'phones cranked
up to hear over the wind noise would make it impossible to hear much of
anything else. I like to hear everything, right down to the tiniest
squeak on the bike, which may mean a problem 10 miles down the road.
Last year I almost got wiped by a car by riding in a strong and gusty
crosswind. I didn't hear the car coming up and just as it was about to
pass I got blown over by a strong gust. Too close for comfort, so I
avoid windy days.
Bill

On 6 Apr 2006 10:08:37 -0700, "landotter" <[email hidden]> wrote:

[---]

Quoted message said:

Case closed, bye, and oh yeah: it's illegal.

Not everywhere, it isn't. You should not make the assumption that all
local politicians are as foolish as yours.

Bill Baka wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: Bill Baka wrote:
::::: Gooserider wrote:
:::::: "Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:::::: news:[email hidden]...
::::::
::::::: landotter wrote:
:::::::
:::::::: Better yet, get rid of the in-ear phones and get some full cup
:::::::: cans which are further away from your ear bits. Not totally
:::::::: safe either at high volume, but better--and nicer sound as
:::::::: well. Cheap Sennheiser HD202s will blow the stock 'phones
:::::::: away. Don't wear them on your bike.
::::::::
:::::::
::::::: Definitely not on a bike, but I have seen pedestrians wearing
::::::: them and not in the least aware of their surroundings. Maybe
::::::: those are the targets for a 'Darwin' event. It may not be a
::::::: direct relation, but I did hear a story of a woman so involved
::::::: in a cell phone conversation that she walked in front of a
::::::: train.
::::::: Be safe.
::::::: Bill
::::::
::::::
:::::: Let's not start this again.
::::::
::::::
::::: I didn't post that as a bicycle thing, just that there was an ear
::::: issue with volume. Preserve your ears at home so you can hear when
::::: riding.
::::: I don't expect anyone here to be dumb enough to wear phones AND
::::: ride. Bill
:::
::: don't you find it difficult to hear at times when there is a lot of
::: wind noise? Can you hear over loud wind noise?
:::
:::
:: If it is that windy I will probably go for a run instead of ride.

What if it's not windy before you leave?

I
:: can hear someone coming up behind me up until about 30 MPH which I
:: only exceed (rarely) on a sprint or on a good downhill.

If you believe this will be true 100% of the time, your brain is faulty.

I've been out many times when simple wind noise prevented me from hearing an
approaching car until it was right next to me. There is nothing you can do
about it and it is unpredictable as to when it will happen.

Using
:: 'phones cranked up to hear over the wind noise would make it
:: impossible to hear much of anything else.

Yes, this proves you haven't a clue about what you speak of. Only an idiot
would try to crank up 'phones to cover any noise. I frequently pass runners
and walking coming toward me. They say hi and I hear them and I speak. I
hear folks coming up behind me. I even had a guy on a bike once ask me if I
had seen is 5 buddies he was supposed to meet up with. And he was going the
other way on the other side of the road. He shouted, I heard, and responded
all while I had my 'phones on. 'phones aren't there to blast your brains
out...they just provide a beat that you can sync to while riding...and they
are good when you ride solo. I've worn them on charity rides, too, but I
don't use them if there is someone to chat with near.

I like to hear everything,
:: right down to the tiniest squeak on the bike,

And of course, you cannot hear everything. Thinking you can will get you
killed.

which may mean a
:: problem 10 miles down the road.

??? What?

Last year I almost got wiped by a
:: car by riding in a strong and gusty crosswind. I didn't hear the car
:: coming up and just as it was about to pass I got blown over by a
:: strong gust. Too close for comfort, so I avoid windy days.
:: Bill

That's life. However, since you don't ride with 'phones and can only
imagine what you're talking about, you do best to not speak on the subject.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Marz said:

Tom Keats said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Marz said:

And what exactly are you listening for while you ride your bike.

Cries for help.

Who are you, Super Cyclist, do you have a cape?

As a matter of fact I do. But I only use it when it rains.
By "cries for help" I don't necessarily mean dire emergency
stuff like women whose car got stolen with their baby still
in it. I've stopped to fix up other riders with flats, and
helped one guy back up onto his feet, who fell and couldn't
get up (he had myocitis or some such, fell where there was
nothing for him to grab onto, and his cane fell out of his
reach.) But I actually /saw/ that situation, more than I
heard it.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Trucks' beepers as they back out of blind alleys
or driveways, onto the street. Especially
garbage trucks.

If you can't notice the ass of a truck coming out of a side street
you've got other problems. Plus I can always hear sirens, horns and
beepers over my music.

Sure, side streets are generally no sweat. But some buildings
with underground parking keep their dumpsters down there, and
their driveways can be quite well hidden. Sometimes they abut
right onto the sidewalk or street, and exiting vehicles are
out of the building and onto the street pretty suddenly.
Then there are those short, narrow, "box canyon" alleys that
garbage trucks can only go forward into, and back out of.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Car door slams and engine startups up ahead in
the line of parked cars alongside me.

A good point when riding in a quiet neighbour, but I'd have thought
impossible to notice on a busy street.

In my experience, traffic often flows in waves on busy
urban streets, so there are quiet gaps between clots
of car traffic. True confession: sometimes I'll ride
maybe a little too closely to parked cars in order to
hear if my friction-mode shifting is in the sweet spot
or not -- if I'm reasonably confident the parked car
is unoccupied.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Stuff happening (kids playing, etc) behind
parked cars and out of sight.

Hails & greetings from friends and other riders.

Ice cream trucks.

Now you're starting to make me regret being plugged in and tuned out.
🙂

I've been known to spontaneously burst into song while
riding. Maybe an iPod or something would get me to
shuddup and spare the world from my rendition of Sugarcane
Harris' "Don't You Think I've Paid Enough." Although
lately I've been had Clapton's "Wonderful Tonight"
running through my brain (except for some reason I keep
lapsing it into "Everyone's Gone to the Moon."😉

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

People letting me know something fell out
of my milk crate (usually it's gloves.)

The sound of blinkie lenses clattering onto
the pavement.

You're right there are some sounds that add to the whole cycling
experience and on most of my local rides I'm not usualy plugged in.
It's usually on my training rides I like to have a track list where the
BPM is going to help maintain a high HR. My point was that I never feel
I'm affecting my safety by adding a backing track to my ride.

Well, I'm not against people listening to tunes or much
of anything else they might do while riding. It's no
skin off my teeth. The only cycling misdeed to which I
might take particular and personal umbrage is probably
wrong-way riding, when I encounter wrong-way riders.

cheers,
Tom

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Dane Buson said:

Tom Keats said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Marz said:

And what exactly are you listening for while you ride your bike.

The sound of blinkie lenses clattering onto the pavement.

I've developed a finely attuned ear for the sound of my cellphone, keys,
or other things falling and sliding across the pavement.

After a number of such droppages, one can identify without looking
whatever object fell, just by the sound it made.

Keychains are easy.

For some reason, cycle computer display heads don't make any
sound at all when they fall off. I think they're purposely
engineered that way.

cheers,
Tom

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"landotter" <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Oh the "don't wear headphones because it's againt the law on a bike" vs
the smug "I'm so special I don't need to obey the law" discussion?

[censored]. I guess you've never used a car? Ever tried to talk to anybody
outside the car, without opening a window? Probably not.

I can easily have a conversation while wearing headphones like those
used on handsfree sets or mp3 players and small radios. Sometimes I do
that while simultaneously listening to the music played inside a closed
car, waiting on the adjacent line!

Talk about double standards ...

--
Wir danken für die Beachtung aller Sicherheitsbestimmungen

Roger Zoul said:

Bill Baka wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: Bill Baka wrote:
::::: Gooserider wrote:
:::::: "Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:::::: news:[email hidden]...
::::::
::::::: landotter wrote:
:::::::
:::::::: Better yet, get rid of the in-ear phones and get some full cup
:::::::: cans which are further away from your ear bits. Not totally
:::::::: safe either at high volume, but better--and nicer sound as
:::::::: well. Cheap Sennheiser HD202s will blow the stock 'phones
:::::::: away. Don't wear them on your bike.
::::::::
:::::::
::::::: Definitely not on a bike, but I have seen pedestrians wearing
::::::: them and not in the least aware of their surroundings. Maybe
::::::: those are the targets for a 'Darwin' event. It may not be a
::::::: direct relation, but I did hear a story of a woman so involved
::::::: in a cell phone conversation that she walked in front of a
::::::: train.
::::::: Be safe.
::::::: Bill
::::::
::::::
:::::: Let's not start this again.
::::::
::::::
::::: I didn't post that as a bicycle thing, just that there was an ear
::::: issue with volume. Preserve your ears at home so you can hear when
::::: riding.
::::: I don't expect anyone here to be dumb enough to wear phones AND
::::: ride. Bill
:::
::: don't you find it difficult to hear at times when there is a lot of
::: wind noise? Can you hear over loud wind noise?
:::
:::
:: If it is that windy I will probably go for a run instead of ride.

What if it's not windy before you leave?

This is California so things don't happen as fast as in the midwest. I
was on a lake in Wisconsin once, beautiful day, then within 2 minutes it
was a complete downpoar with lightning, then 2 minutes later sunny
again. I grew up around Chicago so I know how different the weather is.

Quoted message said:

I
:: can hear someone coming up behind me up until about 30 MPH which I
:: only exceed (rarely) on a sprint or on a good downhill.

If you believe this will be true 100% of the time, your brain is faulty.

I have been snuck up on by a few really quiet new cars on slow, quiet,
days, so it can happen. Most cars and trucks either have a stereo, noisy
mufflers, tires, or something whistling at 60 MPH, but not ALL of them.

Quoted message said:

I've been out many times when simple wind noise prevented me from hearing an
approaching car until it was right next to me. There is nothing you can do
about it and it is unpredictable as to when it will happen.

Using
:: 'phones cranked up to hear over the wind noise would make it
:: impossible to hear much of anything else.

Yes, this proves you haven't a clue about what you speak of. Only an idiot
would try to crank up 'phones to cover any noise.

There are lots of idiots then, but not many on bikes. Pedestrians
mostly. I saw one almost get smacked walking in a bike lane on a highly
traveled (and speeded on) road, nearly on the stripe and he barely
noticed, so yeah, there are some idiots that defy Darwin's rules and live.

I frequently pass runners

Quoted message said:

and walking coming toward me. They say hi and I hear them and I speak. I
hear folks coming up behind me. I even had a guy on a bike once ask me if I
had seen is 5 buddies he was supposed to meet up with. And he was going the
other way on the other side of the road. He shouted, I heard, and responded
all while I had my 'phones on. 'phones aren't there to blast your brains
out...they just provide a beat that you can sync to while riding...and they
are good when you ride solo. I've worn them on charity rides, too, but I
don't use them if there is someone to chat with near.

On charity rides I usually have conversations going in a crowd of
people. I make my way from group to group as I ride and some of the
things people talk about are quite interesting, and I pick up a lot of
local history.

Quoted message said:

I like to hear everything,
:: right down to the tiniest squeak on the bike,

And of course, you cannot hear everything. Thinking you can will get you
killed.

I don't think I can, but I try.

Quoted message said:

which may mean a
:: problem 10 miles down the road.

??? What?

2 years ago my bottom bracket started making a little noise and I turned
around to head home but they fell out half way back. If I had not heard
that I would have been that much farther out. I only had to walk 5 miles
instead of 15.

Quoted message said:

Last year I almost got wiped by a
:: car by riding in a strong and gusty crosswind. I didn't hear the car
:: coming up and just as it was about to pass I got blown over by a
:: strong gust. Too close for comfort, so I avoid windy days.
:: Bill

That's life. However, since you don't ride with 'phones and can only
imagine what you're talking about, you do best to not speak on the subject.

Common sense requires me to lack it in order to talk on it?????
Bill

Quoted message said:

Bill Baka wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: Bill Baka wrote:
::::: Roger Zoul wrote:
:::::: Bill Baka wrote:
:::::::: Gooserider wrote:
::::::::: "Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
::::::::: news:[email hidden]...
:::::::::
:::::::::: landotter wrote:
::::::::::
::::::::::: Better yet, get rid of the in-ear phones and get some full
::::::::::: cup cans which are further away from your ear bits. Not
::::::::::: totally safe either at high volume, but better--and nicer
::::::::::: sound as well. Cheap Sennheiser HD202s will blow the stock
::::::::::: 'phones away. Don't wear them on your bike.
:::::::::::
::::::::::
:::::::::: Definitely not on a bike, but I have seen pedestrians wearing
:::::::::: them and not in the least aware of their surroundings. Maybe
:::::::::: those are the targets for a 'Darwin' event. It may not be a
:::::::::: direct relation, but I did hear a story of a woman so
:::::::::: involved in a cell phone conversation that she walked in
:::::::::: front of a train.
:::::::::: Be safe.
:::::::::: Bill
:::::::::
:::::::::
::::::::: Let's not start this again.
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::: I didn't post that as a bicycle thing, just that there was an
:::::::: ear issue with volume. Preserve your ears at home so you can
:::::::: hear when riding.
:::::::: I don't expect anyone here to be dumb enough to wear phones AND
:::::::: ride. Bill
::::::
:::::: don't you find it difficult to hear at times when there is a lot
:::::: of wind noise? Can you hear over loud wind noise?
::::::
::::::
::::: If it is that windy I will probably go for a run instead of ride.
:::
::: What if it's not windy before you leave?
::
:: This is California so things don't happen as fast as in the midwest.
:: I was on a lake in Wisconsin once, beautiful day, then within 2
:: minutes it was a complete downpoar with lightning, then 2 minutes
:: later sunny
:: again. I grew up around Chicago so I know how different the weather
:: is.
:::

Well, I've lived in So Cali but have never cycled there. But the weather can
change here quickly.

::: I
::::: can hear someone coming up behind me up until about 30 MPH which I
::::: only exceed (rarely) on a sprint or on a good downhill.
:::
::: If you believe this will be true 100% of the time, your brain is
::: faulty.
::
:: I have been snuck up on by a few really quiet new cars on slow,
:: quiet, days, so it can happen. Most cars and trucks either have a
:: stereo, noisy mufflers, tires, or something whistling at 60 MPH, but
:: not ALL of them.

So, from riding with 'phones I've learned to NEVER assume that I'll hear
approaching traffic. I *always* look.

:::
::: I've been out many times when simple wind noise prevented me from
::: hearing an approaching car until it was right next to me. There is
::: nothing you can do about it and it is unpredictable as to when it
::: will happen.
:::
::: Using
::::: 'phones cranked up to hear over the wind noise would make it
::::: impossible to hear much of anything else.
:::
::: Yes, this proves you haven't a clue about what you speak of. Only
::: an idiot would try to crank up 'phones to cover any noise.
::
:: There are lots of idiots then, but not many on bikes. Pedestrians
:: mostly. I saw one almost get smacked walking in a bike lane on a
:: highly traveled (and speeded on) road, nearly on the stripe and he
:: barely noticed, so yeah, there are some idiots that defy Darwin's
:: rules and live.

I don't disagree that some people will blast 'phones. But most of them
aren't going to last long on a bike to discuss the matter.

::
:: I frequently pass runners
::: and walking coming toward me. They say hi and I hear them and I
::: speak. I hear folks coming up behind me. I even had a guy on a bike
::: once ask me if I had seen is 5 buddies he was supposed to meet up
::: with. And he was going the other way on the other side of the road.
::: He shouted, I heard, and responded all while I had my 'phones on.
::: 'phones aren't there to blast your brains out...they just provide a
::: beat that you can sync to while riding...and they are good when
::: you ride solo. I've worn them on charity rides, too, but I don't
::: use them if there is someone to chat with near.
::
:: On charity rides I usually have conversations going in a crowd of
:: people. I make my way from group to group as I ride and some of the
:: things people talk about are quite interesting, and I pick up a lot
:: of local history.

Same here. However, I'm a slow rider. I once went on a century where I was
isolated for the last 50 miles or so as all the fast riders left me from the
beginning (or passed me). Sadly, I wasn't wearing 'phones then.

:::
::: I like to hear everything,
::::: right down to the tiniest squeak on the bike,
:::
::: And of course, you cannot hear everything. Thinking you can will
::: get you killed.
::
:: I don't think I can, but I try.
:::
::: which may mean a
::::: problem 10 miles down the road.
:::
::: ??? What?
::
:: 2 years ago my bottom bracket started making a little noise and I
:: turned around to head home but they fell out half way back. If I had
:: not heard that I would have been that much farther out. I only had
:: to walk 5 miles instead of 15.
:::
::: Last year I almost got wiped by a
::::: car by riding in a strong and gusty crosswind. I didn't hear the
::::: car coming up and just as it was about to pass I got blown over
::::: by a strong gust. Too close for comfort, so I avoid windy days.
::::: Bill
:::
::: That's life. However, since you don't ride with 'phones and can
::: only imagine what you're talking about, you do best to not speak on
::: the subject.
::
:: Common sense requires me to lack it in order to talk on it?????

You cannot speak with any real authority on something you're never done, can
you? If you had just said "I don't feel comfortable doing it," then I'd
understand. I'd never suggest that you do something on a bike that you don't
feel comfortable doing.