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We have seen the future of women's running and that future is named Jordan
Hasay from Arroyo Grande CA.. Last summer she destroyed her own youth
record (national record) by 38 seconds. Today, as a 9TH GRADER, she won the
Footlocker western regionals by 24 seconds and tied the course record. She
will race for the national championship next week. She looks to have oodles
of talent as her form could stand some improvement and her training looks
somewhat light compared to the 10th, 11th, and 12th graders she destroys.
She seriously looks like she is running a 400 meter race and just happens to
hold it for 5k.

Will you be going to the championships?

I'll have to figure out my schedule. I'm scheduled to speak to the San
Diego Fit group at 9 am. Morley Field is where I've trained for the
past 25+ years.

In health and on the run,

Ozzie Gontang
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somewhat light compared to the 10th, 11th, and 12th graders she

destroys.

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She seriously looks like she is running a 400 meter race and just

happens to

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hold it for 5k.

Will you be going to the championships?

Unfortunately not. My wonderful 10th grader did great but wasn't even in
the seeded race (and it is a lot of effort to get a 16 year-old to San Diego
when you live here in the mountain west). Next year I plan to take both
boys so I hope that maybe we can hookup and let me buy you a cold one
(Gatorade that is ;-) ). Good luck dude and set aside a couple of hours
next year at this time.

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I'll have to figure out my schedule. I'm scheduled to speak to the San
Diego Fit group at 9 am. Morley Field is where I've trained for the
past 25+ years.

In health and on the run,

Ozzie Gontang
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Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975

Mindful Running http://www.mindfulness.com/mr.asp

TenKMan said:

Last summer she destroyed her own youth
record

Why? What was she trying to hide by destroying it? It must've been
bad.

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We have seen the future of women's running and that future is named Jordan
Hasay from Arroyo Grande CA..

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Let her be, dude. Don't hype her even before she's made it.
We know what happens to all those teen/pre-teen prodigies.
Why put undue pressure on her right now? She's got time.

She's good but only time will tell if she is "the future of women's running."
Prediction, like someone said, is hard. Especially if it's about the future.

jobs

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We have seen the future of women's running and that future is named

Jordan

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Hasay from Arroyo Grande CA..

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Let her be, dude. Don't hype her even before she's made it.
We know what happens to all those teen/pre-teen prodigies.
Why put undue pressure on her right now? She's got time.

She's good but only time will tell if she is "the future of women's

running."

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Prediction, like someone said, is hard. Especially if it's about the

future.

No hype here dude. The plain facts here are stunning. She is already
breaking Mary Slaney youth records at 13 years-old and she is relatively
well-rounded and runs relatively low miles (~40/week in season)compared to
her competition. I just wanted those that are interested in track to be
aware. I realize a so called prodigy appears every other week but I was
stunned to see this girl race.

Anyway, it isn't like most running athletes are overhyped anyway; now US
high school football athletes are way OVERHYPED for doing very little.

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We have seen the future of women's running and that future is named

Jordan

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Hasay from Arroyo Grande CA..

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Let her be, dude. Don't hype her even before she's made it.
We know what happens to all those teen/pre-teen prodigies.
Why put undue pressure on her right now? She's got time.

She's good but only time will tell if she is "the future of women's

running."

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Prediction, like someone said, is hard. Especially if it's about the

future.

No hype here dude. The plain facts here are stunning. She is already
breaking Mary Slaney youth records at 13 years-old and she is relatively
well-rounded and runs relatively low miles (~40/week in season)compared to
her competition. I just wanted those that are interested in track to be
aware. I realize a so called prodigy appears every other week but I was
stunned to see this girl race.

Anyway, it isn't like most running athletes are overhyped anyway; now US
high school football athletes are way OVERHYPED for doing very little.

Fact is, the bone structure of many pre-teen and teenage runners can
change drastically during a growth spurt. Until they're 18 and still
progressing, I wouldn't hold my breath. It happens far too often, and
sadly, they have No control over it. Just enjoy what she's doing now and
hope for the best.

Dave

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Until they're 18 and still progressing, I wouldn't hold my breath.

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nonsense, in '03 then 17 year old sprinter allyson felix turned
professional and signed a 6 yr $1M+ contract w/adidas that also
includes adidas paying for her full college cost if she chooses one day
to go to college. (a year later at 18 she won silver in the olympics).
she's 19 now and probably grossing $300K+/year or so w/appearance fees
and other endorsements. i think she was on the U.S. World Championship
team at 17 in fact.

Ya know Nike knows this kid....they're probably waiting to see what she
can do at 15, maybe 16 before trying to sign her. imo for
women...15/16 is the age...not unusual at all to learn of 17 year old
female runners in world class events. This past year I watched a South
Africa's leading female middle distance runner, a 17 year old named Van
Blerk in a professional 10K race with Kiplagat, Benita Johnson, Okayo,
Tegla Loroupe and a bunch of others (the fastest women in the world).

At 17 it's not uncommon at all to women runners competing in the major
league.

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Until they're 18 and still progressing, I wouldn't hold my breath.

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nonsense, in '03 then 17 year old sprinter allyson felix turned
professional and signed a 6 yr $1M+ contract w/adidas that also
includes adidas paying for her full college cost if she chooses one day
to go to college. (a year later at 18 she won silver in the olympics).
she's 19 now and probably grossing $300K+/year or so w/appearance fees
and other endorsements. i think she was on the U.S. World Championship
team at 17 in fact.

Ya know Nike knows this kid....they're probably waiting to see what she
can do at 15, maybe 16 before trying to sign her. imo for
women...15/16 is the age...not unusual at all to learn of 17 year old
female runners in world class events. This past year I watched a South
Africa's leading female middle distance runner, a 17 year old named Van
Blerk in a professional 10K race with Kiplagat, Benita Johnson, Okayo,
Tegla Loroupe and a bunch of others (the fastest women in the world).

At 17 it's not uncommon at all to women runners competing in the major
league.

Read again the parts you cut out - nowhere did I say a teenager couldn't
compete at a high level, and nowhere did I say their development would stop.
What I *did* say (and you snipped the relevant stuff I wrote) is that
there is no way to know how much further they will progress. Some will
regress in ability. It depends on the individual, but it's safe to say that
even at 20 years old some athletes will see performance-altering
biomechanical changes. The younger the athlete, (especially at 15), the
greater the potential for a growth spurt to do it. Nike knows that many
things such as a career ending injury can cut an athlete's top-level
competition short. They endorse many athletes, to the point of signing
deals just to lock out competition endorsements.
But considering the reading comprehension displayed so far, explaining
in more detail will be wasted effort on my part.

Dave

i'm sorry david, i thought you said, "Until they're 18 and still
progressing, I wouldn't hold my breath". I was simply presenting
runners illustrating your statement is very flawed.

on the kid in question...imo she's worthy of the attention. ok, lots
of young prodigy kids?....well no. no....young kid has come along to
break Decker's records....right? let's be honest...no kid has done
what this one has....and that's the bottom line. she's not just
"another young fast runner".....she's the best ever to be seen, period,
end of story. what more can she do? good gracious...she's rewritten
the records and has done what no one has....not enough?

everyone knows anything can happen,...but damn...what a starting
point....
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Jordan Hasay is only 14, but she is already being compared to Mary
Decker, often considered the best female distance runner in American
history.
Her times more than measure up.

Hasay broke Decker's record in the age-group mile last winter, and the
summer before that she shattered the former Olympian's age-group marks
in the 1,500 and 3,000 meters.

The running, it seems, has always come easy. The difficult part has
been living up to the expectations placed on teen phenoms. She has been
criticized for her race strategy, and there are plenty of whispers that
her parents and coaches are overmatched when it comes to handling an
athlete considered the next big thing in track and field.

But Hasay, a freshman at San Luis Obispo Mission Prep, will be back in
the spotlight Saturday at the prestigious Mt. San Antonio College
Invitational in Walnut. She'll run the same course, although in a
different division, as many elite runners, including Annie St. Geme of
Corona del Mar and Marie Lawrence, a junior at Reno High who has been
runner-up at the Foot Locker national championships the last two years.

"She's really good," said Hasay, who hoped to pace herself alongside a
runner of Lawrence's caliber.Pacing, it seems, has been part of her
problem.

At the Stanford Invitational on Sept. 24, she blazed through the
opening mile in a breathtaking 5 minutes 1 second -- a pace later
called "suicidal" by her father -- only to collapse from exhaustion
yards from victory.

But after a strong comeback in a lower-division race at the Clovis
Invitational on Oct. 8, Hasay appears physically and mentally prepared
to challenge the hilly course at Mt. SAC.

"I usually do good on a course with a lot of hills," she said.

Hasay, whose birthday was Sept. 21, is still refining her racing
strategy, but many observers say she could be \o7the\f7 next great
female distance runner.

"She's like a young stallion.... She's a little tough to control right
now," said Corona del Mar Coach Bill Sumner, whose runners also
competed at the Stanford Invitational. "If they get her under control,
you have another Mary Decker."

Decker, who graduated from Orange High and now goes by her married
name, Slaney, is perhaps the greatest runner who never won an Olympic
medal. She still owns the U.S. women's records in the 1,500 meters
(3:57.12), mile (4:16.71) and 3,000 meters (8:25.83).

Last winter, Hasay broke Decker's world record for the fastest mile by
a 13-year-old girl. Her time of 4:51.48 was nearly four seconds faster
than Decker's from the early 1970s.

In the summer of 2004, she broke Decker's age-group marks in the 1,500
and 3,000, then reset the records last summer at the USATF Junior
Olympics in Indianapolis, winning the 3,000 in 9:35.12 -- a 39-second
victory -- and the 1,500 in 4:28.61.

Hasay has lost only twice in track and field since she began to run
competitively in the fourth grade. That's when physical education
teacher Rob Burt noticed her speed and stamina and encouraged her to
enter a local junior high meet.

She didn't win her first race, but Hasay didn't lose again until last
summer at the Golden West Invitational at Folsom High, where she
competed in the mile against some of the nation's best high school
runners.

As a seventh-grader, Hasay began training with her current coach, Jim
Barodte, who heads the youth program for the San Luis Distance Club.

The valedictorian last spring at St. Patrick's Catholic School in
Arroyo Grande, near her family's home in Pismo Beach, Hasay said she
ultimately chose to attend tiny Mission Prep, with an enrollment of
only 280, because of its college preparatory curriculum.

The Royals also have one of the stronger cross-country programs in the
California Interscholastic Federation's Central Section. The girls'
team has won the last seven Division V titles, and the boys' team has
won four in a row.

At the Morro Bay Invitational on Sept. 10, Hasay won by 2:18. Her time
of 18:01 on the three-mile course would have placed her 14th overall in
the boys' race. A week later at the Ojai Invitational, she won in
17:04, shattering by 31 seconds the Lake Casitas course record set in
1995 by Kim Mortensen of Thousand Oaks, who that year became the first
runner from the West region to win the Foot Locker national
championships.

That effort swelled interest in Hasay's appearance at the Stanford
Invitational, where she was asked to sign dozens of autographs before
the race. Mission Prep Coach Leslie Monaco said she believes the
attention led to some pre-race jitters.

"I was pretty surprised," Hasay said of the recognition. "A lot of
people were there, and a lot of people knew who I was."

St. Geme, a senior and the defending state champion in the 1,600
meters, was among those left by Hasay's speedy start.

"I had never seen her race before," St. Geme said, "so I didn't know if
she could hold it."

Joe and Teresa Hasay watched their daughter dash through the first mile
and thought she appeared fine. During the second mile, they heard the
announcer mention her record pace. But with about a quarter-mile to go,
her stride began to wobble and confidence drained from her face.

"We looked back," Teresa said, "and she was just in trouble."

With about 100 meters left, the first challenger blew past Hasay. She
then slowed considerably, balancing herself against a ribbon that
served as a course barrier.

Teresa couldn't bear to watch anymore. She ran onto the course and
dragged her daughter away before she could reach the finish line.

"I felt like I wasn't going too fast, but I guess it caught up with
me," Hasay said. "I need to learn to stay with the pack."

Hasay's 5-foot-2, 90-pound body rebounded quickly, but the
psychological mending took longer. Several anonymous Internet posts
criticized Monaco and Hasay's parents for allowing her to run so fast
so early.

Some compared the race to Hasay's struggle last summer against high
school-age runners at the Golden West Invitational, where she ran the
first 200 meters of the mile in 30 seconds, then faded badly on the
final lap.

Monaco, in her ninth season as cross-country coach and 23rd as a
teacher for the Mission Prep schools, said the only suggestion she gave
Hasay before the race was to make the last mile her fastest.

Others who know Hasay said the race was a perfect example of
extraordinary talent combined with a super-charged, competitive spirit.

"We're all trying to give her advice," Joe Hasay said. "It's like
trying to stop a runaway freight train at this point."

After the setback, Hasay tried to maintain a low profile.

She ran with her team in a lower-division race at the Clovis
Invitational, instead of against many of the same runners she faced at
Stanford and will face at Mt. SAC, including Lawrence, who won in
17:19. Hasay won her race in 17:36, the third-fastest time of the meet.

"I felt really good," Hasay said.

Said her father: "We asked her to go out in 5:40 and she still went out
in 5:19.

"Eventually, she'll learn to pace herself."

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No hype here dude. The plain facts here are stunning. She is already
breaking Mary Slaney youth records at 13 years-old and she is
relatively
well-rounded and runs relatively low miles (~40/week in
season)compared to
her competition. I just wanted those that are interested in track to
be
aware. I realize a so called prodigy appears every other week but I
was
stunned to see this girl race.

I've have been many female "prodigies" at that age. Unfortunately when
they get to age 14 or 15 the hormoneskick in and mother mature takes
over and these prodigies fill out an the turn into also-rans. If she is
still running that well as a junior or senior in high school then it's
time to take notice.

-DougF

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I've have been many female "prodigies" at that age.

We know you have Doug. I liked your "Lil Red Ridinghood" Prodigys
best, but also enjoyed your "Tiny Ballerina prodigie too". You really
do make a cute little girl.

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I've have been many female "prodigies" at that age. Unfortunately when
they get to age 14 or 15 the hormoneskick in and mother mature takes
over and these prodigies fill out an the turn into also-rans. If she is
still running that well as a junior or senior in high school then it's
time to take notice.

You and I have seen prodigies but neither of us have seen a prodigy hit
these kind of times; ever. I realize that it isn't cool to annoint a
prodigy but I swear I saw the same kind of WOW factor just before I left
Akron OH and I saw LeBron James as an 8th grader. It was like HOLY COW,
this guy is real good today. I am telling you, this person is a FAST
runner.

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i'm sorry david, i thought you said, "Until they're 18 and still
progressing, I wouldn't hold my breath". I was simply presenting
runners illustrating your statement is very flawed.

The phrase "I wouldn't hold my breath" means dont' count on it. It
doesn't mean it won't happen, but it does mean I consider it very foolish to
plan wondrous things that biomechanics and body growth might still cruelly
arrest.
I know some runners, not quite as fast as Hasay, who set records at 13,
15, 18, etc and simply lost the ability to improve. Some regressed
significantly in spite of their efforts. These cases involved a light, thin
person who grew, and were without evidence of overtraining or other
influences. Broader hips, heavier legs, whatever the reason, you almost
need to look at the growth of the parents to get an idea of what's in store
for them.
So my point again (very much IMHO) is do these kids a favor - if you
want to see them at the top and succeeding later, don't contribute to the
pressure put on them to become Olympians and record breakers and stuff.
When nature takes that ability away and they are left with huge shadows of
perceived failure, it's a nasty thing.

Dave

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I've have been many female "prodigies" at that age. Unfortunately when
they get to age 14 or 15 the hormoneskick in and mother mature takes
over and these prodigies fill out an the turn into also-rans. If she is
still running that well as a junior or senior in high school then it's
time to take notice.

You and I have seen prodigies but neither of us have seen a prodigy hit
these kind of times; ever.

Nature doesn't give special treatment to the athletically gifted. You
can't outrun your DNA.

Dave

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i'm sorry david, i thought you said, "Until they're 18 and still
progressing, I wouldn't hold my breath". I was simply presenting
runners illustrating your statement is very flawed.

The phrase "I wouldn't hold my breath" means dont' count on it. It
doesn't mean it won't happen, but it does mean I consider it very foolish to
plan wondrous things that biomechanics and body growth might still cruelly
arrest.

But if someone were to win an Olympic gold medal at age 17 and then have
physical changes that knocked them from high-level international
competition, you wouldn't need to hold your breath. They'd have already
achieved enough to justify calling them a prodigy or "the next big
thing" or whatever, even if they couldn't sustain it. At least, that's
how I read Lance's point.

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So my point again (very much IMHO) is do these kids a favor - if you
want to see them at the top and succeeding later, don't contribute to the
pressure put on them to become Olympians and record breakers and stuff.
When nature takes that ability away and they are left with huge shadows of
perceived failure, it's a nasty thing.

Agreed. And we've seen this in many sports. Jennifer Capriatti is
finally back, but, man, she had some problems for a while because of all
the pressure, didn't she?

Personally, I don't think any youth sport should cut players until high
school. Make the emphasis on learning the sport and having fun until
they get to high school; then try to win. And if you're an adult who
needs to pressure younger kids to win to satisfy your own ego and to try
to re-live your youth or re-capture past athletic glory, stay the hell
away from young kids.

--Harold Buck

"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson

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TenKMan said:

We have seen the future of women's running and that future is named Jordan
Hasay from Arroyo Grande CA..

....

Let her be, dude. Don't hype her even before she's made it.
We know what happens to all those teen/pre-teen prodigies.
Why put undue pressure on her right now? She's got time.

She's good but only time will tell if she is "the future of women's running."
Prediction, like someone said, is hard. Especially if it's about the future.

jobs

I've read all the threads and it's a good dialogue on Jordan Hasay,
youth sport, judging horse flesh, parental involvement, growing up, and
all the mental aspects that will play a piece in the physical training
of a thoroughbred.

Anyway what I offer is a short piece I wrote to the softball coach at
Frances Parker here in San Diego back in 1993 to share, if she desired,
with her team in their league championship. They lost that game and
then came back next year to win the league championship.

Carl Jung reflects: The mind reflects the body reflects the mind. So
we're talking about the total person.

I remember falling in love with Cece Hopp after seeing her run at the
Footlocker Championship. What beautiful poetry in motion. I saved the
cover of a RW with her on it as it, in my mind's eye, was what proper
running form and style were about. There was a RW article about her
last year. Now in her mid/late-30's, with several children she stills
looks as great and runs as graceful.

I googled Cece Hopp, now Cece St. Geme. Someone wrote she's the track
coach at Stanford where she ran in college.

Someone wrote: Good case for genetics in running. Ceci was multiple
state champ in CT HS, only started running as a junior. Was NCAA 3k
champ her frosh yr. at Stanford as well as All-American (I think 5th)
in XC. Was hurt for most of the rest of her career there, and has been
sidelined w/ injuries/pregnancies (5 or 6) since, but is making a nice
comeback in the masters ranks, partially, she says, from
coaching/training with her daughter's track team.

As my mentor drilled into me over the years: The measure of
performance is: Performance. For me from the Zen perspective, it is
when the runner becomes the instrument of seeing what is humanly
possible and the ego while strong enough to go beyond what was humanly
possible sees the bigger picture we call: Life. As the Aussies would
put it: Life. Be in it.

We'll look back in the years ahead and see how well Jordan Hasay did in
being a world class runner and world class human.

Here's what I wrote:

What It Takes
© 1996 Austin "Ozzie" Gontang, Ph.D.

"Karch was never interested in just being good. That's what set him
apart from some fantastic players. He has always had the focus, that
determination to be the best." said Coach Bob Moore talking about Karch
Kiraly.

"At least half of the game is how you approach it mentally. How
much effort you put into it. How determined you are. No one is as
determined as Karch to be the best in the world. No one." stated Dr.
Laszlo Kiraly talking about his son, Karch.

"I might be the best some days, and someone else will be other days.
If I had listened to all the nice things people say and write about me,
I would have lost my drive to compete years ago. And it really isn't
about money or how good you are when you're out there. The surest way
to lose it is to think about how great you are or how much money is on
the next point. YOU THINK ABOUT COMPETING.," Karch said.
He continued: "It's about competing and being the best for a day, a
match, a single point. It's about being considered the greatest among
peers. It's the same thing that motivates me and every other guy on the
beach now. To be considered the best in the world on a given weekend."

When Michael Jordan had not won a world title, his coach told him that
he would never be on a world champion team unless he made the other
players better. So they stopped counting his points and started
counting his assists. That change in attitude was the beginning which
took his team to their world championships.

Yesterday, tomorrow, next year, last year don't matter. It is: "Are
you playing your best right now." Win or lose when you have played
your best, you have tested each other in the only time that exists: the
present.

Those teams you have defeated which were ranked above you may have lost
their mental edge, their competitiveness because they thought you were
an easy win. You showed a little more heart. You worked a little
harder. You didn't have an attitude of being superior. You thought
about competing.

Win or lose, you can never again be the same. You have stepped in the
arena of performance where you are measured by what you do. You have
shown yourselves that you can deliver. You now know the power of
competing-the DESIRE to be the best.

Today we see who will be the best on (fill in the month, date, and
year)...

===============Cover letter attached with above===============
Coach

Congratulations to you and your team for your performance in the last
several games!!!

I have written the enclosed and made copies should you think it fitting
for the team to read it. If not, no problem.

Competition from the Latin "cum-peto" means to "seek with" others. I
am pleased to see them seeking the best within their spirit today.
==============================

(As an aside: Eric Sato who coaches the girl's volleyball team at
Frances Parker see:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20041130/news_1s30p-vargas.html

just helped his team win its second division state championship in a
row. As the article said, he didn't have Club volleyball growing up.

So how do you make it a challenge to be the best, and have fun in the
process. Being a child growing up...as a child...and not in an adult
world or is it: a dolt world?

In health and on the run,
Ozzie Gontang
Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975
Maintainer - rec.running FAQ
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Ozzie,

a very disconnected puzzling post Ozzie.

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We'll look back in the years ahead and see how well Jordan Hasay did in

being a world class runner and world class human.

Okay....but then you post the passage of, "Yesterday, tomorrow, next
year, last year don't matter. It is: "Are you playing your best right
now." Win or lose when you have played your best, you have tested each
other in the only time that exists: the present".

Moving on....you then go into extensive content on team sports,
stressing making your teammates better, etc. and so forth.... What's
that have to do with Jordan Hasay? Hasay's future is not conditioned on
her lifting up others (your Michael Jordan content).

Most of the content of your post simply has no implication or
connection with Hasay. To dial in on Hasay's challenge, you have to
know how Tiger Woods was groomed by his father and coaches and yes,
Tiger has had a sports psychologist from his very early teens as part
of his program. You have to look at sports wherein it's more so on the
individual, not team sport, gymnyst, skaters, etc.

Your discounting her uniqueness by lumping her in as just another
young prodigy. She's separated herself from all previous "prodigies"
you or anyone's ever seen. She _shattered_ Mary Decker Slaney's
records that have stood for over 30 years.

In the "present" as you stressed in your post....she's in her own
league that even reaches back to the past, a club of one. There _are
no_ past athletes like her (at her present stage). She should be
coached as an individual, not a team, no different than how Tiger Woods
was, or a great Tennis Player or Figure Skater of her same age. Now of
course the DNA winds can blow any direction however I'm quite sure many
onlookers have checked out her parents and grandparents for DNA clues
and genetic hints. Maybe she's just naturally gifted.

Allyson Felix ran her first race at age 14. 3 yrs later she signed her
$1M Adidas contract (gifted surely). Hasay might do something similar,
earlier in life...who knows.....go pro early....ya know along with
Felix, Justin Gatlin, Alan Webb, Lauryn Williams and Sanya Richards all
turned pro before finishing college.

All we can do is meausre her now in context....and when doing that,
she's something no one has ever seen. Hopefully she will be surrouned
by people that can develop her inside and out as an athlete and
person...and the DNA going forward may or may not punish her....who
knows maybe it will indeed serve her.

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a very disconnected puzzling post Ozzie.

But he's BQ'd many times. As I recall, you De-Shoe'd, but
that's about it.

Why does it seem like you randomly take out your problems
on people you can't speak to face-to-face, who know more
about running than you?

cheers,
--
David Hirsh, director
www.absolutelyaccurate.com
Southern Ontario's Summer Race Series!

SwStudio said:

<[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

a very disconnected puzzling post Ozzie.

But he's BQ'd many times. As I recall, you De-Shoe'd, but
that's about it.

Why does it seem like you randomly take out your problems
on people you can't speak to face-to-face, who know more
about running than you?

Kinda of curious that you quote the one line I actually agree with. ;-)

Heathen that I am, I find many of Ozzie's posts enigmatic gibberish.

Tim