Foods to Avoid?

Avoid foods that have carbs.

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"Jumpin' Jack Flash" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I'm starting on a little diet here and I'm wondering if you all can
help me out. I've got pretty bad eating habits. I drink lots of
carbonated drinks (Coke/Pepsi), eat lots of sandwiches (bread) and eat
lots of pasta. So I've already started to cut down on everything, but
I need help identifying which foods are bad. I'm more or less trying
the low carb diet. I'm trying to cut out the bread (I only eat whole
wheat anyway) and the pasta. But because I'm so used to eating bread
and pastas, I don't know what else to eat. I know fruits and veggies
are good as well as meat, but what else can I get for a little
variety.

Like tonight for example, I had a small steak and some boiled broccoli
and cauliflower. Is that good? The thing is I know I'll probably be
hungry after my walk tonight, but I don't know what to eat that late
that is light.

Should dairy foods be avoided all together? I looked at my
mini-wheats cereal and it looks like there's a load of carbs in that.
Can you guys give me some examples of good food to eat so I don't get
bored with this too fast? Also, what should really be avoided?
Thanks.

"Jumpin' Jack Flash" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

I'm starting on a little diet here and I'm wondering if you all can
help me out. I've got pretty bad eating habits. I drink lots of
carbonated drinks (Coke/Pepsi), eat lots of sandwiches (bread) and eat
lots of pasta. So I've already started to cut down on everything, but
I need help identifying which foods are bad. I'm more or less trying
the low carb diet. I'm trying to cut out the bread (I only eat whole
wheat anyway) and the pasta. But because I'm so used to eating bread
and pastas, I don't know what else to eat. I know fruits and veggies
are good as well as meat, but what else can I get for a little
variety.

Like tonight for example, I had a small steak and some boiled broccoli
and cauliflower. Is that good? The thing is I know I'll probably be
hungry after my walk tonight, but I don't know what to eat that late
that is light.

Should dairy foods be avoided all together? I looked at my
mini-wheats cereal and it looks like there's a load of carbs in that.
Can you guys give me some examples of good food to eat so I don't get
bored with this too fast? Also, what should really be avoided?
Thanks.

Suggestion #1 - Check out a low-carb book from your library. It will clear
up a lot of the mystery about what you should eat.

Suggestion #2 - try searching the internet for low carb recipes. There are
tons of fantastic meal ideas out there.

Suggestion #3 - read more posts here, they can be very helpful. You might
also want to look for the FAQ and Saffire's weekly tips.

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You're doing the right thing. Grains, potatoes, things like that are good
to avoid.

Just as an anecdote, I was watching on the History Channel the history of
the cattle industry in the US. Being a Texan, I was naturally interested in
that. At one point, they mentioned that ranchers would feed the cattle
grain to fatten them up.

I think that works with people, too.

My diet primarily consists of meat, fish, eggs, cheese, and certain
vegetables, just as spinach, broccoli, green beans, cauliflower, and so on.
I take vitamin supplements and also sugar-free Metamucil for the fiber
content, since I lost my "regularity" after I started this.

This is just the path I've found in my lifestyle change. Everyone is
different, and your path might be completely different. Hang in there,
there is no direct recipe for a low-carb lifestyle, For instance, I never
eat past 8pm. I have promised myself that if I really need something to eat
later, it will be a can of soup, usually cream of chicken, and then if I'm
STILL hungry, I can have whatever I want. I've only had the soup maybe a
half-dozen times, and never wanted anything after that.

It's mostly about whatever works for you.

Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote:
:: I'm starting on a little diet here and I'm wondering if you all can
:: help me out. I've got pretty bad eating habits. I drink lots of
:: carbonated drinks (Coke/Pepsi), eat lots of sandwiches (bread) and
:: eat lots of pasta. So I've already started to cut down on
:: everything, but I need help identifying which foods are bad. I'm
:: more or less trying the low carb diet. I'm trying to cut out the
:: bread (I only eat whole wheat anyway) and the pasta. But because
:: I'm so used to eating bread and pastas, I don't know what else to
:: eat. I know fruits and veggies are good as well as meat, but what
:: else can I get for a little variety.
::
:: Like tonight for example, I had a small steak and some boiled
:: broccoli and cauliflower. Is that good?

That's appropriate, yes.

The thing is I know I'll
:: probably be hungry after my walk tonight, but I don't know what to
:: eat that late that is light.
::
:: Should dairy foods be avoided all together?

Avoid milk....use cream, cheese (in limited amounts), eggs, butter, etc.

I looked at my
:: mini-wheats cereal and it looks like there's a load of carbs in that.
:: Can you guys give me some examples of good food to eat so I don't get
:: bored with this too fast? Also, what should really be avoided?
:: Thanks.

Eat some celery, a boiled egg, a tablespoon of nut butter (no sugar added),
a small piece of cheese, etc. Or have a very small salad, piece of chicken
breast, a few nuts (be careful with nuts), etc.

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Quoted message said:

Like tonight for example, I had a small steak and some boiled broccoli
and cauliflower. Is that good? The thing is I know I'll probably be
hungry after my walk tonight, but I don't know what to eat that late
that is light.

Quoted message said:

Should dairy foods be avoided all together? I looked at my
mini-wheats cereal and it looks like there's a load of carbs in that.
Can you guys give me some examples of good food to eat so I don't get
bored with this too fast? Also, what should really be avoided?
Thanks.

Calcium has been found to help burn fat according to a University of Tenn.
study.

http://www.hon.ch/News/HSN/512735.html

Low fat cheese is a staple of the South Beach Diet in-between-meal snack.
This diet helped my wife lose 30 pounds in a very short amount of time and
she looks great and full of energy and has been maintaining it quite nicely.
I've been eating low fat yogurt for decades. It's good food and good for the
intestines.

"Jim Bard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

You're doing the right thing. Grains, potatoes, things like that are good
to avoid.

Just as an anecdote, I was watching on the History Channel the history of
the cattle industry in the US. Being a Texan, I was naturally interested in
that. At one point, they mentioned that ranchers would feed the cattle
grain to fatten them up.

I think that works with people, too.

My diet primarily consists of meat, fish, eggs, cheese, and certain
vegetables, just as spinach, broccoli, green beans, cauliflower, and so on.
I take vitamin supplements and also sugar-free Metamucil for the fiber
content, since I lost my "regularity" after I started this.

This is just the path I've found in my lifestyle change. Everyone is
different, and your path might be completely different. Hang in there,
there is no direct recipe for a low-carb lifestyle, For instance, I never
eat past 8pm. I have promised myself that if I really need something to eat
later, it will be a can of soup, usually cream of chicken, and then if I'm
STILL hungry, I can have whatever I want. I've only had the soup maybe a
half-dozen times, and never wanted anything after that.

It's mostly about whatever works for you.

Great, thanks for the tips. One thing I'm wondering about here is,
should carbs be avoided all together? Do you guys avoid eating bread
or pasta and high-carb foods like that all together, or should you mix
up a very limited amount in your diet. I'm finding it hard to avoid.
I haven't bought new groceries since I started this and when I look in
my cupboard it's all high carb pasta and soups, etc.

Do you avoid sugar mainly too?

Also, what is something good to drink? Besides water? I am drinking
a lot of water as well, but I need something else. Water doesn't
satisfy me at all. Any sort of fruit juices or milk or anything?
What's good for this diet?

Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote:

:: Great, thanks for the tips. One thing I'm wondering about here is,
:: should carbs be avoided all together?

You don't have to do that....you can eat veggies and get small amounts of
carbs from eggs, cheese, etc.

Do you guys avoid eating bread
:: or pasta and high-carb foods like that all together, or should you
:: mix
:: up a very limited amount in your diet.

Mostly, yes...it is often easier to just not eat really high-carb foods as
they might trigger binges. But you can basically roll your own plan,
depending on your level of control.

I'm finding it hard to avoid.
:: I haven't bought new groceries since I started this and when I look
:: in
:: my cupboard it's all high carb pasta and soups, etc.
::
:: Do you avoid sugar mainly too?

Sugar is a carb. If you count your carbs, then you can eat small amounts of
that stuff. You might pick a carb level of say, 60 g per day as a starting
point. Then work to that. Or, you might pick a starting point of 100 g per
day. A lot of things will work for you provided you end up eating less
overall.

::
:: Also, what is something good to drink? Besides water? I am drinking
:: a lot of water as well, but I need something else. Water doesn't
:: satisfy me at all. Any sort of fruit juices or milk or anything?
:: What's good for this diet?

Diet drinks....fruit 2-O and anything else sweetened with splenda. is good.

Go read www.atkins.com for some ideas.

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(Jumpin' Jack Flash) said:

"Jim Bard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

You're doing the right thing. Grains, potatoes, things like that are good
to avoid.

Just as an anecdote, I was watching on the History Channel the history of
the cattle industry in the US. Being a Texan, I was naturally interested
in
that. At one point, they mentioned that ranchers would feed the cattle
grain to fatten them up.

I think that works with people, too.

My diet primarily consists of meat, fish, eggs, cheese, and certain
vegetables, just as spinach, broccoli, green beans, cauliflower, and so on.
I take vitamin supplements and also sugar-free Metamucil for the fiber
content, since I lost my "regularity" after I started this.

This is just the path I've found in my lifestyle change. Everyone is
different, and your path might be completely different. Hang in there,
there is no direct recipe for a low-carb lifestyle, For instance, I never
eat past 8pm. I have promised myself that if I really need something to
eat
later, it will be a can of soup, usually cream of chicken, and then if I'm
STILL hungry, I can have whatever I want. I've only had the soup maybe a
half-dozen times, and never wanted anything after that.

It's mostly about whatever works for you.

Great, thanks for the tips. One thing I'm wondering about here is,
should carbs be avoided all together? Do you guys avoid eating bread
or pasta and high-carb foods like that all together, or should you mix
up a very limited amount in your diet. I'm finding it hard to avoid.
I haven't bought new groceries since I started this and when I look in
my cupboard it's all high carb pasta and soups, etc.

Do you avoid sugar mainly too?

Also, what is something good to drink? Besides water? I am drinking
a lot of water as well, but I need something else. Water doesn't
satisfy me at all. Any sort of fruit juices or milk or anything?
What's good for this diet?

You know, you might benefit from reading some of the books written about
low-carbing. If you're trying to do Atkins, you really need to read a
recent edition of his book.

Priscilla

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"Jim Bard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

You're doing the right thing. Grains, potatoes, things like that are good
to avoid.

Just as an anecdote, I was watching on the History Channel the history of
the cattle industry in the US. Being a Texan, I was naturally interested
in
that. At one point, they mentioned that ranchers would feed the cattle
grain to fatten them up.

I think that works with people, too.

My diet primarily consists of meat, fish, eggs, cheese, and certain
vegetables, just as spinach, broccoli, green beans, cauliflower, and so on.
I take vitamin supplements and also sugar-free Metamucil for the fiber
content, since I lost my "regularity" after I started this.

This is just the path I've found in my lifestyle change. Everyone is
different, and your path might be completely different. Hang in there,
there is no direct recipe for a low-carb lifestyle, For instance, I never
eat past 8pm. I have promised myself that if I really need something to
eat
later, it will be a can of soup, usually cream of chicken, and then if I'm
STILL hungry, I can have whatever I want. I've only had the soup maybe a
half-dozen times, and never wanted anything after that.

It's mostly about whatever works for you.

Great, thanks for the tips. One thing I'm wondering about here is,
should carbs be avoided all together? Do you guys avoid eating bread
or pasta and high-carb foods like that all together, or should you mix
up a very limited amount in your diet. I'm finding it hard to avoid.
I haven't bought new groceries since I started this and when I look in
my cupboard it's all high carb pasta and soups, etc.

Do you avoid sugar mainly too?

Also, what is something good to drink? Besides water? I am drinking
a lot of water as well, but I need something else. Water doesn't
satisfy me at all. Any sort of fruit juices or milk or anything?
What's good for this diet?

You know, you might benefit from reading some of the books written about
low-carbing. If you're trying to do Atkins, you really need to read a
recent edition of his book.

Priscilla

Well, I'm basically doing it loosely. I'm not going to follow it to a
T, but I am trying to just cut my carb levels. Instead of having
carbs in every meal, I'm just going to try and avoid it more often.
All I'm really trying to find out is what are really high carb foods
and what I can replace some of my old favorites with. I'd simply like
to find a list of "good" and "bad" foods, really. Thanks for the
input.

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(Jumpin' Jack Flash) said:

Priscilla Ballou <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

You know, you might benefit from reading some of the books written about
low-carbing. If you're trying to do Atkins, you really need to read a
recent edition of his book.

Priscilla

Well, I'm basically doing it loosely. I'm not going to follow it to a
T, but I am trying to just cut my carb levels. Instead of having
carbs in every meal, I'm just going to try and avoid it more often.
All I'm really trying to find out is what are really high carb foods
and what I can replace some of my old favorites with. I'd simply like
to find a list of "good" and "bad" foods, really. Thanks for the
input.

I have to second the book suggestion. This is where you'll figure out
the basics. Then you'll have enough knowledge to know how to bend the
rules to your liking. Low carbing isn't just about "good" and "bad"
foods.

Aloha...Sue

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"Jim Bard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> You're doing the right thing. Grains, potatoes, things like that

are good

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> to avoid.
>
> Just as an anecdote, I was watching on the History Channel the

history of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> the cattle industry in the US. Being a Texan, I was naturally

interested

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> in
> that. At one point, they mentioned that ranchers would feed the

cattle

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> grain to fatten them up.
>
> I think that works with people, too.
>
> My diet primarily consists of meat, fish, eggs, cheese, and certain
> vegetables, just as spinach, broccoli, green beans, cauliflower, and

so on.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I take vitamin supplements and also sugar-free Metamucil for the

fiber

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> content, since I lost my "regularity" after I started this.
>
> This is just the path I've found in my lifestyle change. Everyone

is

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Quoted message said:

> different, and your path might be completely different. Hang in

there,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> there is no direct recipe for a low-carb lifestyle, For instance,

I never

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> eat past 8pm. I have promised myself that if I really need

something to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> eat
> later, it will be a can of soup, usually cream of chicken, and then

if I'm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> STILL hungry, I can have whatever I want. I've only had the soup

maybe a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> half-dozen times, and never wanted anything after that.
>
> It's mostly about whatever works for you.

Great, thanks for the tips. One thing I'm wondering about here is,
should carbs be avoided all together? Do you guys avoid eating bread
or pasta and high-carb foods like that all together, or should you mix
up a very limited amount in your diet. I'm finding it hard to avoid.
I haven't bought new groceries since I started this and when I look in
my cupboard it's all high carb pasta and soups, etc.

Do you avoid sugar mainly too?

Also, what is something good to drink? Besides water? I am drinking
a lot of water as well, but I need something else. Water doesn't
satisfy me at all. Any sort of fruit juices or milk or anything?
What's good for this diet?

You know, you might benefit from reading some of the books written about
low-carbing. If you're trying to do Atkins, you really need to read a
recent edition of his book.

Priscilla

Well, I'm basically doing it loosely. I'm not going to follow it to a
T, but I am trying to just cut my carb levels. Instead of having
carbs in every meal, I'm just going to try and avoid it more often.
All I'm really trying to find out is what are really high carb foods
and what I can replace some of my old favorites with. I'd simply like
to find a list of "good" and "bad" foods, really. Thanks for the
input.

"Not going to follow it to a T"????

At the risk of sounding rash, what we are trying to tell you is that there
is NO "doing it loosely"

IOW, if you do not read the book and understand how the diet works then IT
WILL NOT work for you because there is a 90% chance that you will do it
wrong. And even risk your health in the process.

This is why there are so many people out there that badmouth this diet
because "their friend" or "themselves" simply started eating what "they
thought" was the correct food etc and failed miserably with their own half
assed attempt at a diet that "they" dreamed up.

Normally I just lurk here but I have had it with all the misinformation
being thrown around about Dr Adkins and his diet.

Think of it like a Star Wars Movie quote: "There is no try, only do". Yeah
I know I got the quote wrong but my point is this: For the diet to work you
have to educate yourself first. Nobody will do that for you. This isn't a
fashion diet. It is a serious commitment to a lifestyle change FOREVER. Im
not trying to scare you away from this diet, but if it intimidates or
confuses you in the slightest then it is not for you.

Rant over.

What Gonzo said is largely right.

You can spend four or five bucks getting a paperback copy of Dr. Atkins New
Diet Revolution from Walmart or someplace, and the money will be well-spent.
We can sit here forever and try to tell you how it works, but he said it
better than I can, and maybe better than others can.

You can find your own path to your own eating habits according to what you
want to do with your life, and that book will help you. If it's not the
best investment you ever made in your life, I will buy it back from you. So
you have no risk.

We're all here because we all cut carbs some time ago, and now are just
comparing notes. We've all lost a good amount of weight doing it, and are
happy with the lifestyle.

Jumpin' Jack Flash said:

Well, I'm basically doing it loosely. I'm not going to follow it to a
T, but I am trying to just cut my carb levels. Instead of having
carbs in every meal, I'm just going to try and avoid it more often.
All I'm really trying to find out is what are really high carb foods
and what I can replace some of my old favorites with. I'd simply like
to find a list of "good" and "bad" foods, really. Thanks for the
input.

I disagree with the posters who have suggested that you must follow Atkins
exactly or do nothing at all. But I do not disagree with the recommendation
that you read a book about low carb dieting. Reading a book does not mean
you have to follow the plan in that book. It will give you a sense of the
theory underlying the diet so that you can make informed choices.

A list of "good" and "bad" foods will suffer from several weaknesses.
First, it will not be comprehensive, so that when you come across something
not on your list you will not know whether it is available to you. Second,
many foods don't fit that neatly into "good" and "bad" categories - there
are many foods that might be too carby for one person, but that another
person can eat happily in small or medium quantities. For example, I eat an
apple almost every day, but some Atkins dieters (I am not one) would not be
able to fit that into their carb budget, or would find that for them it sets
off cravings.

If you peruse www.atkins.com, you will find some lists that can at least get
you started. There is a list of foods allowed on induction, which is a much
more restrictive list than many here eat long term - it excludes all fruits
and nuts, for example. If you look at the sample menus for the other stages
of the Atkins diet, you can deduce from the foods included in the menus
other foods that might be sensible choices on a low-carb plan. But
principally, if you come to understand what makes a certain food a better or
a worse choice on the plan, you will be able to make your own choices going
forward.

--
carla
http://geekofalltrades.typepad.com/geek

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> "Jim Bard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:<[email hidden]>...
> > You're doing the right thing. Grains, potatoes, things like that

are good

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Quoted message said:

> > to avoid.
> >
> > Just as an anecdote, I was watching on the History Channel the

history of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > the cattle industry in the US. Being a Texan, I was naturally

interested

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> > in
> > that. At one point, they mentioned that ranchers would feed the

cattle

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > grain to fatten them up.
> >
> > I think that works with people, too.
> >
> > My diet primarily consists of meat, fish, eggs, cheese, and certain
> > vegetables, just as spinach, broccoli, green beans, cauliflower, and

so on.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > I take vitamin supplements and also sugar-free Metamucil for the

fiber

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > content, since I lost my "regularity" after I started this.
> >
> > This is just the path I've found in my lifestyle change. Everyone

is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > different, and your path might be completely different. Hang in

there,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > there is no direct recipe for a low-carb lifestyle, For instance,

I never

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > eat past 8pm. I have promised myself that if I really need

something to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > eat
> > later, it will be a can of soup, usually cream of chicken, and then

if I'm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > STILL hungry, I can have whatever I want. I've only had the soup

maybe a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > half-dozen times, and never wanted anything after that.
> >
> > It's mostly about whatever works for you.
>
> Great, thanks for the tips. One thing I'm wondering about here is,
> should carbs be avoided all together? Do you guys avoid eating bread
> or pasta and high-carb foods like that all together, or should you mix
> up a very limited amount in your diet. I'm finding it hard to avoid.
> I haven't bought new groceries since I started this and when I look in
> my cupboard it's all high carb pasta and soups, etc.
>
> Do you avoid sugar mainly too?
>
> Also, what is something good to drink? Besides water? I am drinking
> a lot of water as well, but I need something else. Water doesn't
> satisfy me at all. Any sort of fruit juices or milk or anything?
> What's good for this diet?

You know, you might benefit from reading some of the books written about
low-carbing. If you're trying to do Atkins, you really need to read a
recent edition of his book.

Priscilla

Well, I'm basically doing it loosely. I'm not going to follow it to a
T, but I am trying to just cut my carb levels. Instead of having
carbs in every meal, I'm just going to try and avoid it more often.
All I'm really trying to find out is what are really high carb foods
and what I can replace some of my old favorites with. I'd simply like
to find a list of "good" and "bad" foods, really. Thanks for the
input.

"Not going to follow it to a T"????

At the risk of sounding rash, what we are trying to tell you is that there
is NO "doing it loosely"

IOW, if you do not read the book and understand how the diet works then IT
WILL NOT work for you because there is a 90% chance that you will do it
wrong. And even risk your health in the process.

This is why there are so many people out there that badmouth this diet
because "their friend" or "themselves" simply started eating what "they
thought" was the correct food etc and failed miserably with their own half
assed attempt at a diet that "they" dreamed up.

Normally I just lurk here but I have had it with all the misinformation
being thrown around about Dr Adkins and his diet.

Think of it like a Star Wars Movie quote: "There is no try, only do". Yeah
I know I got the quote wrong but my point is this: For the diet to work you
have to educate yourself first. Nobody will do that for you. This isn't a
fashion diet. It is a serious commitment to a lifestyle change FOREVER. Im
not trying to scare you away from this diet, but if it intimidates or
confuses you in the slightest then it is not for you.

Rant over.

Why are you so bothered? What misinformation are you speaking of?

I'm sure some of you all take this pretty seriously. I have about 20
extra pounds that I want to lose. I've tried a few diets before, but
nothing really works except exercising. That's how I've lost all my
weight before. When I was 14 or 15, I was 5 foot 8 and weighed 235
lbs and I lost that all by exercising. So when I heard about this
sort of diet, I figured that I could speed up the weight loss by
changing the foods in my diet without having to eat vegtables 24-7 and
be hungry all the time.

Having said that, I did do some research on this diet last night and
there's a lot more to it than I had originally thought. But one thing
about me is that I'm not a *strict* calorie/fat/carb counter. So I'll
probably never do that, and that's what I mean about not following it
to a T. Why that would upset you is beyond me, but I digress...

A fashion diet?! I'm going to refrain from using some harsh words
right now. It is not a crime for me to want to try this for a while.
I am certainly not going to commit to this "lifestyle FOREVER", as you
say, until I see how it works for me. Capische?

I do plan to follow it insomuch as I will take multivitamins and "carb
up" at the appropriate times, and whatever else I need to do to do it
safely. I'll get into this diet more once I get to read more about
it. And yes, everyone, I do plan on getting a book so please stop
asking (I'll have it this week). But for now, I'm following the basic
principles of it and am just asking for a little preliminary
information. If this bothers you, don't bother replying.

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> > > You're doing the right thing. Grains, potatoes, things like

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Well, I'm basically doing it loosely. I'm not going to follow it to a
T, but I am trying to just cut my carb levels. Instead of having
carbs in every meal, I'm just going to try and avoid it more often.
All I'm really trying to find out is what are really high carb foods
and what I can replace some of my old favorites with. I'd simply like
to find a list of "good" and "bad" foods, really. Thanks for the
input.

"Not going to follow it to a T"????

At the risk of sounding rash, what we are trying to tell you is that

there

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is NO "doing it loosely"

IOW, if you do not read the book and understand how the diet works then

IT

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WILL NOT work for you because there is a 90% chance that you will do it
wrong. And even risk your health in the process.

This is why there are so many people out there that badmouth this diet
because "their friend" or "themselves" simply started eating what "they
thought" was the correct food etc and failed miserably with their own

half

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assed attempt at a diet that "they" dreamed up.

Normally I just lurk here but I have had it with all the misinformation
being thrown around about Dr Adkins and his diet.

Think of it like a Star Wars Movie quote: "There is no try, only do".

Yeah

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I know I got the quote wrong but my point is this: For the diet to work

you

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have to educate yourself first. Nobody will do that for you. This

isn't a

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fashion diet. It is a serious commitment to a lifestyle change FOREVER.

Im

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not trying to scare you away from this diet, but if it intimidates or
confuses you in the slightest then it is not for you.

Rant over.

Why are you so bothered? What misinformation are you speaking of?

All the missinformation about the adkins diet that I hear every day and read
here every day. You posting is an excellent example of people who do not
really want to do the diet correctly but only take bits and pieces of it to
creat their own diet which in most cases is not a diet at all.

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I'm sure some of you all take this pretty seriously.

That's just my point. You MUST take it seriously. If you cant do that then
DO NOT go on the atkins diet. Ask yourself this question (seriousley):
"Why did I post here?".

Think about this before you go any further.

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I have about 20
extra pounds that I want to lose. I've tried a few diets before, but
nothing really works except exercising. That's how I've lost all my
weight before. When I was 14 or 15, I was 5 foot 8 and weighed 235
lbs and I lost that all by exercising. So when I heard about this
sort of diet, I figured that I could speed up the weight loss by
changing the foods in my diet without having to eat vegtables 24-7 and
be hungry all the time.

Are you a doctor? If not, do not "figure" anything. Again, the adkins
diet is not a fashion diet. If you do it wrong because you refuse to learn
how to do it properly you can actually hurt or kill yourself.

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Having said that, I did do some research on this diet last night and
there's a lot more to it than I had originally thought.

Exactly. But a lot of folks do not know or understand this. Hence I hear
this statement a lot: "I guess Ill try atkins for a while etc". There is
no such thing as "try" or "doing my version of atkins" etc. You don't do it
"for a while", you do it forever. You will lose and gain just like all the
other fashion diets if you do it wrong or even worse.

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But one thing
about me is that I'm not a *strict* calorie/fat/carb counter.

Then my suggetion to you is to continue your exercise instead if that is the
one thing that you can commit too. Adkins diet also requires exercise but
the book is a must. I can't stress this enough.

I also see a lot of people who read the book but do not understand it or
just don't soak up what the book tells them. They have the mentality that
reading the book will make them lose weight. It's sad but true.

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So I'll
probably never do that, and that's what I mean about not following it
to a T. Why that would upset you is beyond me, but I digress...

Im not upset and not at you. Your posting simply triggered the fact that I
have been very annoyed and disturbed by all the ignorance in the air
regarding the Adkins diet. People do not realize that they are playing
games with their health by indulging into ignorance rather than the facts
regarding this diet. Again though, let's call it a lifestyle change and
not a diet.

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A fashion diet?! I'm going to refrain from using some harsh words
right now. It is not a crime for me to want to try this for a while.
I am certainly not going to commit to this "lifestyle FOREVER", as you
say, until I see how it works for me. Capische?

I understand. It's your life. If you jump from a bridge I will not stop
you. Another person's slow suicide is none of my concern. What gets under
my skin however is everybody and their brother sharing information about
Adkins lifestyle change that is wrong wrong wrong and then blaming the diet
instead of themselves for not doing the research.
The Adkins lifestyle change is getting a bad rep because of people who do
not do it correctly and they blame their failure on the diet rather than
their own ignorance.

Again, if you can't do it FOREVER then you are not doing Adkins. You are
doing what YOU want. Once you fail at it at least be honest and do not go
around blaming Adkins. I can see this comming a mile away and I see it all
the time. Flame away if you will.

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I do plan to follow it insomuch as I will take multivitamins and "carb
up" at the appropriate times, and whatever else I need to do to do it
safely. I'll get into this diet more once I get to read more about
it. And yes, everyone, I do plan on getting a book so please stop
asking (I'll have it this week). But for now, I'm following the basic
principles of it and am just asking for a little preliminary
information. If this bothers you, don't bother replying.

Well I could turn this around on you. If you are not going to follow it to
a T and do it right and you insist on playing doctor and putting your health
or even your life in jeopardy then so be it but don't ask for advice here if
you will not take it.

1)Read the book
2)Understand the book
3)Change your lifestyle per the book for the rest of your life

If you can't do that then don't bother.

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You're doing the right thing. Grains, potatoes, things like that are

good

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to avoid.

Just as an anecdote, I was watching on the History Channel the history

of

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the cattle industry in the US. Being a Texan, I was naturally

interested in

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that. At one point, they mentioned that ranchers would feed the cattle
grain to fatten them up.

I think that works with people, too.

My diet primarily consists of meat, fish, eggs, cheese, and certain
vegetables, just as spinach, broccoli, green beans, cauliflower, and so

on.

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I take vitamin supplements and also sugar-free Metamucil for the fiber
content, since I lost my "regularity" after I started this.

This is just the path I've found in my lifestyle change. Everyone is
different, and your path might be completely different. Hang in there,
there is no direct recipe for a low-carb lifestyle, For instance, I

never

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eat past 8pm. I have promised myself that if I really need something to

eat

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later, it will be a can of soup, usually cream of chicken, and then if

I'm

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STILL hungry, I can have whatever I want. I've only had the soup maybe

a

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half-dozen times, and never wanted anything after that.

It's mostly about whatever works for you.

Great, thanks for the tips. One thing I'm wondering about here is,
should carbs be avoided all together? Do you guys avoid eating bread
or pasta and high-carb foods like that all together, or should you mix
up a very limited amount in your diet. I'm finding it hard to avoid.
I haven't bought new groceries since I started this and when I look in
my cupboard it's all high carb pasta and soups, etc.

Breads and pastas are definately too high carb, if you really want a pasta
type meal try spegetti squash with a cream sauce, very good low carb meal.

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Do you avoid sugar mainly too?

Definately avoid sugar.

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Also, what is something good to drink? Besides water? I am drinking
a lot of water as well, but I need something else. Water doesn't
satisfy me at all. Any sort of fruit juices or milk or anything?
What's good for this diet?

Forget fruit juces, much too high carb, if you are looking for something to
replace your coke/pepsi addiction you can drink diet pop.

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You're doing the right thing. Grains, potatoes, things like that are

good

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to avoid.

Just as an anecdote, I was watching on the History Channel the history

of

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the cattle industry in the US. Being a Texan, I was naturally

interested in

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that. At one point, they mentioned that ranchers would feed the

cattle

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grain to fatten them up.

I think that works with people, too.

My diet primarily consists of meat, fish, eggs, cheese, and certain
vegetables, just as spinach, broccoli, green beans, cauliflower, and

so

on.

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I take vitamin supplements and also sugar-free Metamucil for the fiber
content, since I lost my "regularity" after I started this.

This is just the path I've found in my lifestyle change. Everyone is
different, and your path might be completely different. Hang in

there,

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there is no direct recipe for a low-carb lifestyle, For instance, I

never

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eat past 8pm. I have promised myself that if I really need something

to

eat

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later, it will be a can of soup, usually cream of chicken, and then if

I'm

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STILL hungry, I can have whatever I want. I've only had the soup

maybe

a

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half-dozen times, and never wanted anything after that.

It's mostly about whatever works for you.

Great, thanks for the tips. One thing I'm wondering about here is,
should carbs be avoided all together? Do you guys avoid eating bread
or pasta and high-carb foods like that all together, or should you mix
up a very limited amount in your diet. I'm finding it hard to avoid.
I haven't bought new groceries since I started this and when I look in
my cupboard it's all high carb pasta and soups, etc.

Breads and pastas are definately too high carb, if you really want a
pasta
type meal try spegetti squash with a cream sauce, very good low carb
meal.

There are some breads you can try -- I've been using one called "fitness
bread." It has 21g carbs and 7g fiber per "slice" (14g effective carbs).
However, it's very dense, and the slices are very thin. It's like eating
pressed nuts/seeds instead of bread. Obviously, if you're on induction or
have very low carb requirements, then you shouldn't eat bread.

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Do you avoid sugar mainly too?

Definately avoid sugar.

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Also, what is something good to drink? Besides water? I am drinking
a lot of water as well, but I need something else. Water doesn't
satisfy me at all. Any sort of fruit juices or milk or anything?
What's good for this diet?

Forget fruit juces, much too high carb, if you are looking for something
to
replace your coke/pepsi addiction you can drink diet pop.

I've been using seltzers and mineral water, but I like water.

--
Bob in CT
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Great, thanks for the tips. One thing I'm wondering about here is,
should carbs be avoided all together? Do you guys avoid eating bread
or pasta and high-carb foods like that all together, or should you mix
up a very limited amount in your diet. I'm finding it hard to avoid.
I haven't bought new groceries since I started this and when I look in
my cupboard it's all high carb pasta and soups, etc.

Get thee to a store! I started Atkins a few days BEFORE I had originally
intended to and lived on eggs and cheese for a couple of days. In the meantime,
I cleaned out my fridge and all my cupboards of high-carb food. I gave most of
it to a local food bank (which fortunately happened to be only 2 miles from the
house), some opened stuff to my sister and some to the trash. It was clear to me
that I had to get the stuff OUT of the house, not only so I wouldn't eat it, but
so I would have room for the new stuff I would replace them with. It can be hard
to make yourself give/throw away perfectly good food, but it's worth it. Any
costs I associated with Atkins I mentally compare to what I might have spent at
Jenny Craig or Nutri-System or whatever and it EASILY becomes a willing cost of
doing what I have to do. Of course, if you have family living with you that WILL
be eating the stuff, then you just have to try to avoid it.

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Do you avoid sugar mainly too?

Absolutely! Get that sugar monkey off your back!

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Also, what is something good to drink? Besides water? I am drinking
a lot of water as well, but I need something else. Water doesn't
satisfy me at all. Any sort of fruit juices or milk or anything?
What's good for this diet?

Hanson's makes Splenda-sweetened sodas. Diet Rite makes a Splenda-sweetened cola
and other flavors. That said, I've been drinking a lot of A&W Diet Root Beer
lately, despite the aspartame. Hood's Carb Countdown makes a chocolate dairy
beverage that's pretty good. There's always iced tea or iced decaf coffee.

It's pretty overwhelming to start low-carb, but once you get into the rhythm of
it, it's very rewarding!

--
Saffire
205/149/125 - 5'1.5"
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

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Also, what is something good to drink? Besides water? I am drinking
a lot of water as well, but I need something else. Water doesn't
satisfy me at all. Any sort of fruit juices or milk or anything?
What's good for this diet?

Forget fruit juces, much too high carb, if you are looking for something
to
replace your coke/pepsi addiction you can drink diet pop.

I've been using seltzers and mineral water, but I like water.

Some of my favorites are...
fresh brewed decaf ice tea...
iced decaf coffee flavored with low carb milk and any DaVinci SF syrup
that sounds good at the time...
lemon flavored Propel water...

Aloha...Sue (who doesn't care for caffeine!)