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  1. D.Currie said:

    Here's something to consider...how do you value food?
    [snip] I mean, it all depends on what "value" you're talking
    about. Money? Calories? Flavor? How filling it is? Nutrition? Ease of
    preparation? Presentation? Trendiness? Allergy/religious/moral values?
    Organic only?
    [snip]

    We chiefly view food and eating as a pleasure. Nutrition and budget
    are satisfied pretty much without conscious thought as we eat a very
    wide variety of foods. So what I pay most attention to in preparing
    meals are the aesthetics, which involve all the senses: visual --
    presentation (definitely my weakest element); aroma; flavor; mouth
    feel; design, for want of a better term, meaning how well each of the
    elements of the meal fit together and enhance each other; and quality
    of ingredients. Then there's the role that dinner plays socially as an
    occasion for relaxed conversation and connecting.

    Note that none of this requires that things be "fancy." A bowl of
    stew, a plate of fried chicken, mashed potatoes and gravy, and corn on
    the cob, or a simple beef and peapods stirfry with steamed rice can all
    fulfill the aesthetic objectives if done well.

    When we go out to eat all these elements still matter, and in addition
    there is ambience, service, and interesting menu choices.

    A similar but separate thread could consider the act of cooking instead
    of eating. Is it the menu planning, the exercise of knife skills,
    perfect timing of wok cookery, baking, the perfectly sautéed fish
    filet, or a beautifully composed salade niçoise, etc., that makes you
    smile while you're doing it? -aem

  2. "Dan Abel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Food Snob said:

    It isn't even really big on fiber.

    So post some numbers. How much is "big"?

    For fiber, you have to use the official John Harvey Kellogg
    Memorial Scale, a logarithmic system in which a score of
    "0" corresponds to the fiber content of Twinkie filling while
    "10" is that of pure, unprocessed sawdust.

    Bob M.

  3. In article <[email hidden]>,

    aem said:

    A similar but separate thread could consider the act of cooking instead
    of eating. Is it the menu planning, the exercise of knife skills,
    perfect timing of wok cookery, baking, the perfectly sautéed fish
    filet, or a beautifully composed salade niçoise, etc., that makes you
    smile while you're doing it?

    Yes. 🙂

    I also take real pleasure in providing meals for my family and
    serving them that way. It is part of how I love them and care for them.

    Regards,
    Ranee

    Remove do not & spam to e-mail me.

    "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13

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  4. notbob said:
    Dave Smith said:

    What iceberg is is something that needs something else to go with it to be at all
    enjoyable.

    Not necessarily. I seem to have a real craving for it, lately. Had a
    large salad (i/b lettuce only w/ dressing) of it last night and a
    couple nights ago I tore off a large chunk and ate it plain. I'd
    rather eat iceburg than some of the lawn clippings being sold at
    insane prices. Better yet, combine the two.

    I like it plain to, or better let with a very light dressing of Extra
    Vigin olive oil and fresh0-squeezed lemon.

    Quoted message said:


    nb

    --Bryan

  5. "Ranee Mueller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    D.Currie said:

    Here's something to consider...how do you value food?

    I started thinking about this when someone was discussing the relative
    value
    of iceberg lettuce. I mean, it all depends on what "value" you're talking
    about. Money? Calories? Flavor? How filling it is? Nutrition? Ease of
    preparation? Presentation? Trendiness? Allergy/religious/moral values?
    Organic only?

    Flavor and price hang in a pretty delicate balance in our budget.
    Although I am willing to pay a little more for better ingredients
    (especially when grown/raised/produced by local farmers), there is a
    limit to what we can afford. So, I'd say price first, then flavor very
    tightly second.

    Those two are probably my top concerns, too, but sometimes price is tricky,
    I've been buying cheeses from a local shop, and some of the prices per pound
    seem outrageous. If I was only looking at price per pound, I'd never shop
    there. But sliced thin on crackers, these cheeses last a long time. So price
    per serving is actually pretty good.

    Quoted message said:


    Nutritive value is important, but unless you're living on iceberg
    lettuce, I don't think it's as huge a deal as people make it. You eat a
    variety of things and some of them have more and some have less
    nutritive value. Just make sure you don't regularly eat dinners of ring
    dings and valium and all should be well.

    I agree. Some days we don't eat a balanced diet, but over a few days, it
    evens out. We like veggies -- actually, we like almost anything -- so we're
    getting what we need.

    Quoted message said:


    As for ease of preparation, I keep a range of things in the house,
    both simple and more complicated to prepare. Depends on the meal, the
    time constraints, etc.

    Yup. I don't mind spending time in the kitchen, but I have quite a few
    things that are quick to prepare. Takes no time to cook fish, for example.
    If I'm aking the fish and I have the extra time, I might fancy up the
    veggies, or fiddle with something else that I'm serving.

    Quoted message said:


    I prefer nice presentation, but it's not part of how I choose food,
    unless there's a really uggy looking sample versus the nicer looking
    ones. This is something that I do as or after I'm cooking and while I
    serve/plate.

    I like to make things look good, but I don't normally go overboard. Then
    again, I guess overboard is in the eye of the beholder.

    Quoted message said:


    Filling is similar. We have a large family made up of a hard working
    man, and growing boys and a little daughter who eats as much or more
    than I do. Filling is important, but I think about it in terms of how I
    put the meal together rather than when I purchase food.

    Don't care at all about trendiness except how it sometimes raises the
    price of things I like, or conversely makes them more readily available.

    Except for my strange allergy to abalone, we have no food allergies
    in our home, or among our close acquaintance (well, that's not true, but
    the kid with the terrible allergies is basically allergic to food, so
    his parents always bring his own food).

    Our religious tradition has fast days and abstinence days, but
    nothing is strictly prohibited or proscribed. So, I plan meatless
    meals, or rid the house of most fats and sweets, or make meals for the
    kids while we adults are fasting, and that's about it.

    Organic, if we raise it, and when we buy it from local farmers. This
    is tied in with my first point. I don't go out of my way to buy it, but
    if it is available from local producers at the same or better prices
    than the grocery, or if we raise it ourselves, or if it is a variety
    that is just not available in the standard market, we'll get it.
    Otherwise, it's whatever is on sale. 🙂

    Regards,
    Ranee

    I'm pretty much in agreement, except for the kids. It's just the two of us,
    so we eat less than if we were feeding growing kids.

    Donna

  6. "Melba's Jammin'" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    D.Currie said:

    Here's something to consider...how do you value food?

    I started thinking about this when someone was discussing the relative
    value
    of iceberg lettuce. I mean, it all depends on what "value" you're talking
    about. Money? Calories? Flavor? How filling it is? Nutrition? Ease of
    preparation? Presentation? Trendiness? Allergy/religious/moral values?
    Organic only?

    Interesting topic, Donna.

    My DH and I often have discussions about the difference between the way his
    folks eat and the way we do. We have vastly different priorities, so meals
    at their house are much different from meals at ours.

    Yes, I think maybe flavor is important to me,

    Quoted message said:

    too, but it really depends on the moment - if I'm in a "I've got to lose
    some weight" mode, I am more interestested in what will fill me up than
    how it tastes.

    If something is tasteless, I lose interest pretty quickly.

    If I'm asked to bring a particular dish to an event or

    Quoted message said:

    occasion, I may be interested in appearance or quality, depending on
    what I think the assembled will appreciate.

    Cooking for other people is a different experience, for sure.

    Quoted message said:


    Sometimes the prettiest tastes like [censored] - I'm thinking about the
    shipped-in strawberries I'm buying. Local super has a BOGO on them this
    week and I bit. I'll be happy if half of them are edible - more than
    half would be better still.

    Yeah, I do that too. They look so good, you imagine they'll taste that good.

    Donna

  7. Melba's Jammin' wrote on 13 Apr 2006 in rec.food.cooking

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    D.Currie said:

    Here's something to consider...how do you value food?

    I started thinking about this when someone was discussing the
    relative value of iceberg lettuce. I mean, it all depends on what
    "value" you're talking about. Money? Calories? Flavor? How filling
    it is? Nutrition? Ease of preparation? Presentation? Trendiness?
    Allergy/religious/moral values? Organic only?

    Interesting topic, Donna. Yes, I think maybe flavor is important to
    me, too, but it really depends on the moment - if I'm in a "I've got
    to lose some weight" mode, I am more interestested in what will fill
    me up than how it tastes. If I'm asked to bring a particular dish to
    an event or occasion, I may be interested in appearance or quality,
    depending on what I think the assembled will appreciate.

    Sometimes the prettiest tastes like [censored] - I'm thinking about the
    shipped-in strawberries I'm buying. Local super has a BOGO on them
    this week and I bit. I'll be happy if half of them are edible - more
    than half would be better still.

    Like the local butcher/delli's menonite farm bought whole chicken 6 lbs
    for about $7.30 or Safeway's whole factory chicken 2 lbs for about $7.50.

    The menonite farm chicken is cheaper larger and nicer in taste.

    Safeway is cleaner,more modern, nicer looking inside and out and more
    convienent to shop as it is 1 stop (mostly) grocery shopping.

    Because I shop at the deli...I get prefered service and can order stuff
    in like lamb, montreal smoked meat,specialty cheese, goose and get next
    day service plus the butcher know's me and my likes thus prepping the
    meat for me my way, at a better price. So I don't care if his floor tiles
    are a little shabby and the place needs a paint job.

    It depends on purpose and need...but I rarely need to shop safeway.

    --
    -Alan

  8. D.Currie said:


    "Dean G." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Ranee Mueller said:

    I actually do enjoy a soda every now and then. Not all the time, and
    we rarely have it in our home, but I do like them.

    I understand the occasional drink, but drinking a 6 or 12 pack a day is
    ridiculous. I'd get sick of that much of anything.

    Dean G.

    As a teenager, I liked pop, but nowadays, it's maybe one can a week at a
    meeting I go to. And if I remember to bring something else to the meeting, I
    have that instead. I have a few cans in the fridge, but they've been there
    since last summer. Sometimes on a hot summer day, an ice cold soda is good,
    or as a mixer for a drink. I'll drink it more often when I'm out than when
    I'm home, though.

    I think I drink a coke once a year - when I have a little digestion
    problem. And then twice a year at most I have a weird craving for an
    Orangina (does that exist in the US?). That's it. Everything else is
    coffee (expresso), tea or herb tea (lots), loads of water, and wine.

    Nathalie in Switzerland

  9. Ranee Mueller said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    aem said:

    A similar but separate thread could consider the act of cooking instead
    of eating. Is it the menu planning, the exercise of knife skills,
    perfect timing of wok cookery, baking, the perfectly sautéed fish
    filet, or a beautifully composed salade niçoise, etc., that makes you
    smile while you're doing it?

    Yes. 🙂

    I also take real pleasure in providing meals for my family and
    serving them that way. It is part of how I love them and care for them.

    Me, too, but it's also how I care for myself. Cooking calms me, makes
    me happy, makes the world make sense, connects me with my home,
    family, and friends.

    I have an open invitation to my friends to join us for dinner every
    night. About once or twice a week, people take us up on it, and that's
    also a huge part of my social connection. (And as a side benefit, it
    encourages me to keep my house company-ready. ;-)

    serene

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Boozie Floozie said:

    I have an open invitation to my friends to join us for dinner every
    night. About once or twice a week, people take us up on it, and that's
    also a huge part of my social connection. (And as a side benefit, it
    encourages me to keep my house company-ready. ;-)

    Boy, isn't that the truth! We always have the house cleaner when we
    are entertaining.

    Over the last several weeks, I've been decluttering, tossing out
    things that can't be salvaged, taking things to Goodwill or the
    children's consignment shop and actually getting things put where they
    belong. I figure it will take me less time to vacuum if I don't have to
    clean the room first to do it. Also, we thought it was a bad example to
    ask the kids to clean their rooms when they've probably seen our room
    clean six times in their entire lives.

    Regards,
    Ranee

    Remove do not & spam to e-mail me.

    "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13

    http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/
    http://talesfromthekitchen.blogspot.com/

  11. "Nathalie Chiva" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    I think I drink a coke once a year - when I have a little digestion
    problem.

    Before last week, I hadn't had a soda in probably 10 years or so (other than
    La Croix or other carbonated water). Last week I had a ginger beer in
    Jamaica and a Mexican Coke (the only Coke I like--made with sugar, rather
    than high fructose corn syrup) in Cozumel (cruise stops). Just had a
    craving, and both hit the spot. I probably won't have another soda for at
    least a few more years.

    I normally just drink tons of water and a little juice (and wine, when I'm
    drinking something alcoholic).

    Quoted message said:

    And then twice a year at most I have a weird craving for an
    Orangina (does that exist in the US?).

    I've seen Orangina in local supermarkets (I'm in the U.S.).

    Mary

  12. Ranee Mueller said:

    Over the last several weeks, I've been decluttering, tossing out
    things that can't be salvaged, taking things to Goodwill or the
    children's consignment shop and actually getting things put where they
    belong. I figure it will take me less time to vacuum if I don't have to
    clean the room first to do it. Also, we thought it was a bad example to
    ask the kids to clean their rooms when they've probably seen our room
    clean six times in their entire lives.

    Good going! It's hard to do, but so worth it!

    serene

  13. Food Snob said:
    Quoted message said:


    Not necessarily. I seem to have a real craving for it, lately. Had a
    large salad (i/b lettuce only w/ dressing) of it last night and a
    couple nights ago I tore off a large chunk and ate it plain. I'd
    rather eat iceburg than some of the lawn clippings being sold at
    insane prices. Better yet, combine the two.

    I like it plain to, or better let with a very light dressing of Extra
    Vigin olive oil and fresh0-squeezed lemon.

    Exactly.... better with something on it or with it, or better yet.... both.

  14. In article <[email hidden]>,

    D.Currie said:
    Quoted message said:


    Sometimes the prettiest tastes like [censored] - I'm thinking about the
    shipped-in strawberries I'm buying. Local super has a BOGO on them this
    week and I bit. I'll be happy if half of them are edible - more than
    half would be better still.

    Yeah, I do that too. They look so good, you imagine they'll taste that good.

    Donna

    I just cleaned the two containers. Amazing what got pitched! Ugh.
    Maybe 3/5 were edible.
    --
    -Barb
    <http://jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 4-11-06, Church review #12

    "If it's not worth doing to excess, it's not worth doing at all."

  15. Dave Smith said:
    Food Snob said:
    Quoted message said:


    Not necessarily. I seem to have a real craving for it, lately. Had a
    large salad (i/b lettuce only w/ dressing) of it last night and a
    couple nights ago I tore off a large chunk and ate it plain. I'd
    rather eat iceburg than some of the lawn clippings being sold at
    insane prices. Better yet, combine the two.

    I like it plain to, or better let with a very light dressing of Extra
    Vigin olive oil and fresh0-squeezed lemon.

    Exactly.... better with something on it or with it, or better yet.... both.

    I'm thoroughly horrified. I had 2 typos in one post, and I was cold
    sober when I typed it.

    --Bryan

  16. D.Currie said:

    Here's something to consider...how do you value food?

    I started thinking about this when someone was discussing the relative value
    of iceberg lettuce. I mean, it all depends on what "value" you're talking
    about. Money? Calories? Flavor? How filling it is? Nutrition? Ease of
    preparation? Presentation? Trendiness? Allergy/religious/moral values?
    Organic only?

    I guess this needs an example, so here are a few..

    My father was a big opponent to "empty calories" of which soda/cola/pop was
    his prime example. With pop, he said you're pretty much buying sugar and
    water with very little in the way of nutrition. He thought diet sodas were
    even stupider, because you aren't even getting calories for the money.

    Dieters might be looking for the most bulk per calorie because they want to
    be full, but still lose weight. An athlete might go the other direction,
    where calorie intake would have to be higher, so bulky foods might be less
    valuable.

    Some people are looking for something filling but cheap. So it's bulk per
    dollar.

    You get the idea.

    For me, flavor is a big deal. I don't mind spending my time cooking, if the
    result is good. I'm willing to spend a little more to get good ingredients,
    but I still shop sales, so money is a factor. I don't see the point in
    spending money on food that's filling but not tasty, or just because
    something is trendy. Nutrition could be a concern, but we eat a pretty
    varied diet, so I'm not too worried.

    I'm betting that for many people on this group, flavor ranks pretty high,
    but what about the rest of it?

    --
    Donna

    ...was thinking about Sugar, Salt, Black & White Pepper the other day.
    I think they are very valuable - in the past, they are valuable both in
    terms money to weight ratio and cooking, I'd imagine people
    transporting these as expensive cargo through vast lands (may or may
    not be true); Nowadays the easier transport and production makes them
    much cheaper, and they are still very valuable for cooking.

  17. D.Currie said:

    Here's something to consider...how do you value food?

    Quality (freshness) and whether or not it is a "favorite". We pay
    premium price for high-quality organically raised and humanely
    slaughted meats. We pay high price out of season for asparagus, as
    it's my favorite veggie - probably one of my favorite foods. Same goes
    for most fruits. If something is of "better' quality is has more
    inherent worth to me. Nothing more disappointing than buying something
    that seems superior in quality only to find it's a disappointment.

    That being said, my pets eat as well if not bettter than we do - their
    food runs about $3.00/lb or more - which is definitely above average
    for the foods we eat (pound for pound). The best fed? The snakes -
    frozen mice run about $10/lb and up.

    -L.

  18. "D.Currie" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:


    I started thinking about this when someone was discussing the relative
    value of iceberg lettuce. I mean, it all depends on what "value"
    you're talking about. Money? Calories? Flavor? How filling it is?
    Nutrition? Ease of preparation? Presentation? Trendiness?
    Allergy/religious/moral values? Organic only?

    I use iceberg lettuce for its texture. It makes food wet without making it
    soggy, because you don't get the wetness until you bite it. So I wrap
    things like spring rolls (aka egg rolls in the US, I believe) and tacos in
    it, to get the combination of crispy carb shell, hot meaty chewy filling,
    and refreshing cool wet crunchy lettuceness. Dammit, now I've got
    cravings...

    K

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