FOAK: Advice on ow!

elyob said:

I have an, ahem, a friend. Who has recently, in hot weather, suffered from
an affliction. It involves cycling the end of long journeys out of the
saddle despite wearing padded shorts. The effects include "able to get feet
into hot bath, but unable to immerse the lower torso".

This could be, according to Mr X, due to not having cycled such long
journeys and hot journeys recently. But have never occured before during
similar conditions.

Are there stuff in new shorts that are designed to stop this, or are there
other methods to help?

On my recent escape to York I found copious doses of vaseline lip balm
with added aloe vera to the area prior to any affliction forestalled
such upright cycling..

Someone is bound to say 'get a recumbent'
<fx: big whooping noise and flashing text in the background. -10
points>

...d

Quoted message said:

Thanks

Mr X

elyob said:

I have an, ahem, a friend. Who has recently, in hot weather, suffered from
an affliction. It involves cycling the end of long journeys out of the
saddle despite wearing padded shorts. The effects include "able to get
feet into hot bath, but unable to immerse the lower torso".

Get a re...

Oh, sorry, can I be the second to say "Get a recumbent"?

The whooping noise from me is due to the pleasure of cycling in baggy
shorts and loose underwear in hot weather. No sweating, no chafing. What
more reasons do you need?

OK, another reason: The recumbent-specific panniers from Carradice have
pockets to carry four bottles of wine (or big bottles of beer)! Can't do
that on an upright 'cos your heels would clout them.

Mike

David Martin wrote on 31/07/2006 00:22 +0100:

Quoted message said:

elyob said:

I have an, ahem, a friend. Who has recently, in hot weather, suffered from
an affliction. It involves cycling the end of long journeys out of the
saddle despite wearing padded shorts. The effects include "able to get feet
into hot bath, but unable to immerse the lower torso".

This could be, according to Mr X, due to not having cycled such long
journeys and hot journeys recently. But have never occured before during
similar conditions.

Are there stuff in new shorts that are designed to stop this, or are there
other methods to help?

On my recent escape to York I found copious doses of vaseline lip balm
with added aloe vera to the area prior to any affliction forestalled
such upright cycling..

On long rides I have found a good slathering of Sudocreme or Drapolene
does the business.

--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci

Mike Causer said:

The whooping noise from me is due to the pleasure of cycling in baggy
shorts and loose underwear in hot weather. No sweating, no chafing. What
more reasons do you need?

Case in point is our recent tour around bits of Norfolk (note: Waffles
is a most welcoming hostess for a pit-stop on a monster-hot day, thanks
again Helen!), which being recent was hotter than a hot thing with added
heat and melting roads, but neither of us had any undercarriage rubbing
problems.

Gad, it was hot!

Quoted message said:

OK, another reason: The recumbent-specific panniers from Carradice have
pockets to carry four bottles of wine (or big bottles of beer)! Can't do
that on an upright 'cos your heels would clout them.

Or: the lowrider rack on the Streetmachine puts the weight under the
rider between the wheels so if filled with BEER there is no effect on
handling bar gluing you slightly more effectively to the road.

You Know It Makes Sense... ;-)

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

"elyob" <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

I have an, ahem, a friend. Who has recently, in hot weather, suffered
from an affliction. It involves cycling the end of long journeys out
of the saddle despite wearing padded shorts. The effects include "able
to get feet into hot bath, but unable to immerse the lower torso".

This could be, according to Mr X, due to not having cycled such long
journeys and hot journeys recently. But have never occured before
during similar conditions.

Are there stuff in new shorts that are designed to stop this, or are
there other methods to help?

Thanks

Mr X

Apparently you are meant to shove a banana up your [censored], peel it first
for shorter journeys. Or so I've heard, I may be listening to the wrong
type of people though. :-0

--
Tunku

"end user" v. A command regrettably not implemented in most systems.

Mike Causer said:

OK, another reason: The recumbent-specific panniers from Carradice have
pockets to carry four bottles of wine (or big bottles of beer)! Can't do
that on an upright 'cos your heels would clout them.

Only if you use the recumbent-specific paniers on your upright. OK so
most paniers dont have four pockets /for/ wine bottles but you can put
them in upright-specific panniers with or without pockets and not have
heel strike.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Phil Cook said:

Only if you use the recumbent-specific paniers on your upright. OK so
most paniers dont have four pockets /for/ wine bottles but you can put
them in upright-specific panniers with or without pockets and not have
heel strike.

But what you can't do is put in a full load of wine in the main
compartment and /then/ add 4 more in the pockets. 'bent specific
panniers are bigger, therefore more space for more wine!

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

elyob said:

I have an, ahem, a friend. Who has recently, in hot weather, suffered from
an affliction. It involves cycling the end of long journeys out of the
saddle despite wearing padded shorts. The effects include "able to get feet
into hot bath, but unable to immerse the lower torso".

This could be, according to Mr X, due to not having cycled such long
journeys and hot journeys recently. But have never occured before during
similar conditions.

Are there stuff in new shorts that are designed to stop this, or are there
other methods to help?

Thanks

Mr X

My friend, eh, Mr Y, suffered similarly in hot weather.
In his case, it seems to be due to sweat build up around the chamois,
leading to the skin softening and then being chaffed. Also occurs on
very wet days; spending 3/4 hours in wet tights/shorts has the same
effect.

AIUI, this is one of the ways babies get nappy rash (though a different
source of moisture is involved).

A thin smear of vaseline to the chamois-related areas before the ride
leaves the skin "waterproofed", and the chaffing doesn't happen. Wash
carefully after the ride to ensure it's all removed and the skin can
breathe again.

Works for Mr. Y. YMMV.

hth,

bookieb.

Peter Clinch said:

Phil Cook said:

Only if you use the recumbent-specific paniers on your upright. OK so
most paniers dont have four pockets /for/ wine bottles but you can put
them in upright-specific panniers with or without pockets and not have
heel strike.

But what you can't do is put in a full load of wine in the main
compartment and /then/ add 4 more in the pockets. 'bent specific
panniers are bigger, therefore more space for more wine!

I'd say forget the panniers and get the 8 Freight out :-)

How was Norfolk btw?
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Phil Cook said:

How was Norfolk btw?

Gad, it was Hot!

Day 1 started reasonably late (train arrived at Peterborough at just
gone 4), and first job was negotiate the cycle tracks out of town. A
mixed bunch, with some items of comedy and a rather over-generous
portion of [censored] surfaces, but it got us where we were going. Gad, it
was hot, but solid progress thanks to it being very flat with the odd
break, and aside from being covered with wee (non-biting) beasties who'd
collided and couldn't escape the mix of sweat and sun cream we got to a
planned campsite about 40 miles on which had showers and a cafe, both of
which were All Right By Us. Hot enough that headwinds were actually
*welcome* for cooling effect.

Day 2, reasonably prompt start before it got too hot, but that didn't
last too long. Gad, it was hot! Starting to get a bit less flat, and
while nothing too extreme an incline would kill speed a bit, effective
breeze got less and then it got to be a heat-up positive feedback loop.
We stopped in Castle Acre because we were boiling alive and after a
very welcome cold drink and pie stop gave Helen a call and headed her
way. Gad, it was hot! By the time we were arrived we were pretty much
cooked and cery receptive to the proffered ice-cream. In hindsight a
salty cheese butty would have been a more sensible request, but
hindsight only operates in, umm, hindsight...
A very convivial time admiring the garage contents and blethering with
Helen and Vernon, and gathering of useful local info before we headed on
into Dareham for BBQ supplies (we were off to pals' wedding, and this
was the gathering the night before). By the time we got there Roos was
coming down with heat stroke symptoms so the push up to North Elmham was
direct rather than the scenic Plan A. By the time we got there I was
coming down with heat stroke symptoms too (Gad, it was hot! I may have
mentioned that...). That meant we rather under-indulged in the planned
G&T-fest, but after showers and food and a monster thunderstorm to clear
the air felt much better.

Day 3: there was no Day 3, that was the wedding we'd gone for. Just as
well, my right knee was protesting a lot in the morning, though it felt
fine after a bit of a strolling about and was certainly up to the
ceilidh in the evening.

Day 4: late start, and we headed up to Cromer. Hills getting hillier
all the way, and Gad, it was hot! But a very enjoyable day and we found
a great campsite on a farm at the end of it, very much in the Right
Place At The Right Time. Free range eggs (we met several of the
chickens roaming about...) and fresh rasps from the farm, yum!

Day 5: reasonably prompt start, thinking the coast road would be
reasonably clear and the sun wouldn't be too oppressive, right on both
counts, terrific hack along through Morston etc. with a cake break at
Wells. Moving on, roads were filling up a bit so we headed inland,
still good going but Gad, it was hot! Lavender centre for lunch, and
then inland again to Sandringham, where I was overheating. Not actually
many places to crash out on the grass under a shady tree that hadn't
already been taken, so we meandered on and eventually chose a field with
a high hedge for shade to have a snooze away from the heat in. Finally
got rolling again when it had cooled off a /bit/, but Gad, it was hot!
Ended up on the brownest campsite I've ever seen in the UK, but the cafe
there did a very good shank of lamb and pint of John Smiths to
rehabilitate us.

Day 6: the prompt start gambit didn't work today. Gad, it was hot! We
thought we'd be touroids and stop everywhere, but Stop #1 at the Iceni
village and our hearts just weren't in it. Gad, it was hot! We
laboured on to Oxburgh Hall, where we just flaked out under a tree for
several hours. The map was reconsulted as Ely seemed impossibly far (it
had seemed eminently sensibly near first thing!) and we diverted to
Downham Market. Less than 25 miles total, and we were completely
finished. Gad, it was hot! Showers, pub dinner and beer, and a call to
my Dad to check on train times for us on the Inetrweb and we felt much,
much better.

Day 7: down to the station, no problems etting the bikes on and
ultimately to Peterborough and then home. The couple of miles from the
station was hard work. It was quite a bit cooler than Norfolk but even
so, Gad, it was hot!

So, a good session but a tad on the warm side for us...

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Phil Cook said:

How was Norfolk btw?

Gad, it was Hot!

Day 1 started reasonably late (train arrived at Peterborough at just
gone 4), and first job was negotiate the cycle tracks out of town. A
mixed bunch, with some items of comedy and a rather over-generous
portion of [censored] surfaces, but it got us where we were going. Gad, it
was hot, but solid progress thanks to it being very flat with the odd
break, and aside from being covered with wee (non-biting) beasties who'd
collided and couldn't escape the mix of sweat and sun cream we got to a
planned campsite about 40 miles on which had showers and a cafe, both of
which were All Right By Us. Hot enough that headwinds were actually
*welcome* for cooling effect.

Day 2, reasonably prompt start before it got too hot, but that didn't
last too long. Gad, it was hot! Starting to get a bit less flat, and
while nothing too extreme an incline would kill speed a bit, effective
breeze got less and then it got to be a heat-up positive feedback loop.
We stopped in Castle Acre because we were boiling alive and after a
very welcome cold drink and pie stop gave Helen a call and headed her
way. Gad, it was hot! By the time we were arrived we were pretty much
cooked and cery receptive to the proffered ice-cream. In hindsight a
salty cheese butty would have been a more sensible request, but
hindsight only operates in, umm, hindsight...
A very convivial time admiring the garage contents and blethering with
Helen and Vernon, and gathering of useful local info before we headed on
into Dareham for BBQ supplies (we were off to pals' wedding, and this
was the gathering the night before). By the time we got there Roos was
coming down with heat stroke symptoms so the push up to North Elmham was
direct rather than the scenic Plan A. By the time we got there I was
coming down with heat stroke symptoms too (Gad, it was hot! I may have
mentioned that...). That meant we rather under-indulged in the planned
G&T-fest, but after showers and food and a monster thunderstorm to clear
the air felt much better.

Day 3: there was no Day 3, that was the wedding we'd gone for. Just as
well, my right knee was protesting a lot in the morning, though it felt
fine after a bit of a strolling about and was certainly up to the
ceilidh in the evening.

Day 4: late start, and we headed up to Cromer. Hills getting hillier
all the way, and Gad, it was hot! But a very enjoyable day and we found
a great campsite on a farm at the end of it, very much in the Right
Place At The Right Time. Free range eggs (we met several of the
chickens roaming about...) and fresh rasps from the farm, yum!

Day 5: reasonably prompt start, thinking the coast road would be
reasonably clear and the sun wouldn't be too oppressive, right on both
counts, terrific hack along through Morston etc. with a cake break at
Wells. Moving on, roads were filling up a bit so we headed inland,
still good going but Gad, it was hot! Lavender centre for lunch, and
then inland again to Sandringham, where I was overheating. Not actually
many places to crash out on the grass under a shady tree that hadn't
already been taken, so we meandered on and eventually chose a field with
a high hedge for shade to have a snooze away from the heat in. Finally
got rolling again when it had cooled off a /bit/, but Gad, it was hot!
Ended up on the brownest campsite I've ever seen in the UK, but the cafe
there did a very good shank of lamb and pint of John Smiths to
rehabilitate us.

Day 6: the prompt start gambit didn't work today. Gad, it was hot! We
thought we'd be touroids and stop everywhere, but Stop #1 at the Iceni
village and our hearts just weren't in it. Gad, it was hot! We
laboured on to Oxburgh Hall, where we just flaked out under a tree for
several hours. The map was reconsulted as Ely seemed impossibly far (it
had seemed eminently sensibly near first thing!) and we diverted to
Downham Market. Less than 25 miles total, and we were completely
finished. Gad, it was hot! Showers, pub dinner and beer, and a call to
my Dad to check on train times for us on the Inetrweb and we felt much,
much better.

Day 7: down to the station, no problems etting the bikes on and
ultimately to Peterborough and then home. The couple of miles from the
station was hard work. It was quite a bit cooler than Norfolk but even
so, Gad, it was hot!

So, a good session but a tad on the warm side for us...

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Phil Cook said:

How was Norfolk btw?

I did type in a short trip report earlier and then managed to delete it...

Mainly it was hot... we suffered especially in the afternoons, and the
final day we spent all afternoon under a tree at Oxburgh hall (after we
had adjusted our route the day before so we didn't have to cross King's
Lynn and the open fens towards Peterborough and instead headed South where
there were a few more trees. I'm not used to heat - at times I felt [censored]
but couldn't work out whether I was tired, hungry (and for what: sweet,
salt?), thirsty or just too hot.

The cycling was great though, Norfolk seems lovely for touring and
trundling though probably not as nice for commuting and other transport
cycling: the small roads take detours and have hills (yes, it was
definitely not flat!), and the direct roads are very big, and not much
inbetween.

The best day of cycling was when we left our campsite near Cromer fairly
early and had a couple of hours along the coastal road with fresh sea air
before the tourists came out. After coffee we headed inland on the smaller
roads - a bit too many cars doing silly things.
A number of shortcuts (some longer than others) through the grounds of
stately homes were very nice and worth the odd bit of gates or rough
surface.
The opposite was the case near Peterborough were cycle routes followed
gravely roads with big stones, potholes, and sharp slippery corners for no
noticeable scenic benefits.

Experiences with trains were mainly positive. Down with GNER no complaints
about the 'bents, back with GNER the guards van was almost full with
luggage and bottles of water, but we managed to put the bikes in, and just
when we came out the guard arrived with someone with more luggage and baby
items. They looked a bit miffed about the bikes but we had booked them on
- glad we did.
Because we didn't end in Peterborough we needed some local trains that
morning from Downham Market. The evening before we tried to book the bikes
on by 'phone but failed, so just turned up at the station in time for a
train earlier than we needed, just in case. The journey has 2 legs with a
number of operators on each leg so it was possible that some trains would
work and others wouldn't.
The first train was First Connect and the man at the station had said it
was OK to put the bikes on. We didn't see a special bike area so just
stood in one of the hallways, which rather blocked the way through, but it
was only 2 stops and nobody needed the door at the stop inbetween.
The next train was One, with a good bike area and again no problem getting
the bikes on.

We didn't have much luck with pubs - day 2 the first pub was closed until
12 and we were there at 11:30, the second didn't do food that day. Some
days later the first pub was being refurbished, the second was fully
booked for lunch and couldn't even do some soup at the bar, but the third
pub was lovely and we were made very welcome even though you'd normally
have to book. Recommended:
http://www.saracenshead-norfolk.co.uk/

And thanks again to Helen for the hospitality!

Roos

Phil Cook said:

How was Norfolk btw?

I did type in a short trip report earlier and then managed to delete it...

Mainly it was hot... we suffered especially in the afternoons, and the
final day we spent all afternoon under a tree at Oxburgh hall (after we
had adjusted our route the day before so we didn't have to cross King's
Lynn and the open fens towards Peterborough and instead headed South where
there were a few more trees. I'm not used to heat - at times I felt [censored]
but couldn't work out whether I was tired, hungry (and for what: sweet,
salt?), thirsty or just too hot.

The cycling was great though, Norfolk seems lovely for touring and
trundling though probably not as nice for commuting and other transport
cycling: the small roads take detours and have hills (yes, it was
definitely not flat!), and the direct roads are very big, and not much
inbetween.

The best day of cycling was when we left our campsite near Cromer fairly
early and had a couple of hours along the coastal road with fresh sea air
before the tourists came out. After coffee we headed inland on the smaller
roads - a bit too many cars doing silly things.
A number of shortcuts (some longer than others) through the grounds of
stately homes were very nice and worth the odd bit of gates or rough
surface.
The opposite was the case near Peterborough were cycle routes followed
gravely roads with big stones, potholes, and sharp slippery corners for no
noticeable scenic benefits.

Experiences with trains were mainly positive. Down with GNER no complaints
about the 'bents, back with GNER the guards van was almost full with
luggage and bottles of water, but we managed to put the bikes in, and just
when we came out the guard arrived with someone with more luggage and baby
items. They looked a bit miffed about the bikes but we had booked them on
- glad we did.
Because we didn't end in Peterborough we needed some local trains that
morning from Downham Market. The evening before we tried to book the bikes
on by 'phone but failed, so just turned up at the station in time for a
train earlier than we needed, just in case. The journey has 2 legs with a
number of operators on each leg so it was possible that some trains would
work and others wouldn't.
The first train was First Connect and the man at the station had said it
was OK to put the bikes on. We didn't see a special bike area so just
stood in one of the hallways, which rather blocked the way through, but it
was only 2 stops and nobody needed the door at the stop inbetween.
The next train was One, with a good bike area and again no problem getting
the bikes on.

We didn't have much luck with pubs - day 2 the first pub was closed until
12 and we were there at 11:30, the second didn't do food that day. Some
days later the first pub was being refurbished, the second was fully
booked for lunch and couldn't even do some soup at the bar, but the third
pub was lovely and we were made very welcome even though you'd normally
have to book. Recommended:
http://www.saracenshead-norfolk.co.uk/

And thanks again to Helen for the hospitality!

Roos

Peter Clinch said:

Phil Cook wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

How was Norfolk btw?

Quoted message said:

Gad, it was Hot!

D'oh, should have checked further down before typing my trip notes 🙂

Roos

Peter Clinch said:

Phil Cook wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

How was Norfolk btw?

Quoted message said:

Gad, it was Hot!

D'oh, should have checked further down before typing my trip notes 🙂

Roos

Roos Eisma said:

but the third
pub was lovely and we were made very welcome even though you'd normally
have to book. Recommended:
http://www.saracenshead-norfolk.co.uk/

And that welcome even though we probably didn't smell too good and had
provided visible graves for numerous insects. The food was good too!
Clearly the sort of people who we could use more of in the UK's
hospitality industry.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Roos Eisma said:

but the third
pub was lovely and we were made very welcome even though you'd normally
have to book. Recommended:
http://www.saracenshead-norfolk.co.uk/

And that welcome even though we probably didn't smell too good and had
provided visible graves for numerous insects. The food was good too!
Clearly the sort of people who we could use more of in the UK's
hospitality industry.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

"Peter Clinch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Case in point is our recent tour around bits of Norfolk (note: Waffles is
a most welcoming hostess for a pit-stop on a monster-hot day, thanks again
Helen!), which being recent was hotter than a hot thing with added heat
and melting roads, but neither of us had any undercarriage rubbing
problems.

Most welcome! It was lovely to meet you and Roos, as it's nice to put a face
to the name.

To avoid any group misunderstanding - I most certainly did not do *anything*
to Pete or Roos which could even remotely cause undercarriage rubbing....
;-)

Cheers, helen s

"Peter Clinch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Case in point is our recent tour around bits of Norfolk (note: Waffles is
a most welcoming hostess for a pit-stop on a monster-hot day, thanks again
Helen!), which being recent was hotter than a hot thing with added heat
and melting roads, but neither of us had any undercarriage rubbing
problems.

Most welcome! It was lovely to meet you and Roos, as it's nice to put a face
to the name.

To avoid any group misunderstanding - I most certainly did not do *anything*
to Pete or Roos which could even remotely cause undercarriage rubbing....
;-)

Cheers, helen s