Flu virus attacks child despite vaccination

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john said:

PS - notice the headline does NOT read death from flu vaccine
Buried in the text.......

"Flu virus attacks child despite vaccination" - could read BECAUSE of the
vaccination also

It could -- but it doesn't. And it shouldn't, because the injected
flu vaccine doesn't contain live virus and can't give you the flu.

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Flu virus attacks child despite vaccination
Health of twins declined rapidly after the weekend

By Brian D. Crecente, Rocky Mountain News
December 6, 2003

It's always nice to see the loathesome Scudamore attempting to exploit
any tragedy to advance his whacko agenda.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Gosh that is a sad story. I doubt if the flu vaccine contributed to the
illness, but it certainly didn't prevent it!!! The prevalent strain of the
flu is not even in the vaccine-- I doubt if it provides much protection.

BL

"As the waves pass the rock, their shape is changed. There is a hologram of
the rock within the wave that comes forward and crashes on the beach, then
there's a reflected wave back." Ralph Abraham

"I'd like to learn to windsurf." BL

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PS - notice the headline does NOT read death from flu vaccine
Buried in the text.......

"Flu virus attacks child despite vaccination" - could read BECAUSE of the
vaccination also

Or it could be read: Flu virus attacks because the world is flat.

As we know, the world is not flat. And the flu vaccination does not cause
the flu.

As we also know, the vaccination is not 100% effective, and unfortunately,
the vaccine is not a great match for the most common strain of influenza
going around.

I feel horrible for the family and the loss of the child.

Jeff

"BL 1204" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Gosh that is a sad story. I doubt if the flu vaccine contributed to the
illness, but it certainly didn't prevent it!!! The prevalent strain of

the

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flu is not even in the vaccine-- I doubt if it provides much protection.

The flu vaccination did not cause or "contribute to" the flu that caused
this child's death. Your "doubt if it provides much protection" is ill
founded. This year's vaccine still produces excellent immunity to the
strains of flu virus that are included in its formulation. Those strains are
still in circulation and it is well worth getting a shot to be protected
against them. Did you think they just voluntarily disappeared to make room
for Influenza A-H2N3 'Fugian' to become the prevalent strain this year? That
flu is the most prevalent because the others have been effectively
suppressed by the vaccination program.

--Rich

I contacted the flu a few weeks after I got the flu shot. That's the first
time it ever happened to me.
hc

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PS - notice the headline does NOT read death from flu vaccine
Buried in the text.......

"Flu virus attacks child despite vaccination" - could read BECAUSE of the
vaccination also

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_2482930,0

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Flu virus attacks child despite vaccination
Health of twins declined rapidly after the weekend

By Brian D. Crecente, Rocky Mountain News
December 6, 2003

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That
flu is the most prevalent because the others have been effectively
suppressed by the vaccination program.

Maybe so. The flu seems to be one step ahead of the vaccine. So the flu shot
this year seems to protect against the *old* varieties of flu-- probably the
same ones I already have immunity to-- and apparently not as deadly as the
current flu.

I will amend my statement to say that I doubt if it provides much protection
for the newer, prevalent, more deadly form of flu. A good example of that is
the poor kid that died. Obviously it provides protection for the flu that was
prevalent last year and a minority of people have this year.

BL

"As the waves pass the rock, their shape is changed. There is a hologram of
the rock within the wave that comes forward and crashes on the beach, then
there's a reflected wave back." Ralph Abraham

"I'd like to learn to windsurf." BL

"heppiechik" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I contacted the flu a few weeks after I got the flu shot. That's the first
time it ever happened to me.
hc

The incubation period for influenza is much shorter than "a few weeks," so
that makes two reasons that your flu was not caused by the vaccination. The
first is that there is no live virus in flu vaccine.

A flu shot cannot cause the flu. Period.

--Rich

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:26:15 GMT, [email hidden] (David

Wright) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

john said:

PS - notice the headline does NOT read death from flu vaccine
Buried in the text.......

"Flu virus attacks child despite vaccination" - could read BECAUSE of the
vaccination also

It could -- but it doesn't. And it shouldn't, because the injected
flu vaccine doesn't contain live virus and can't give you the flu.

Quoted message said:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_2482930,0
0.html

Flu virus attacks child despite vaccination
Health of twins declined rapidly after the weekend

By Brian D. Crecente, Rocky Mountain News
December 6, 2003

It's always nice to see the loathesome Scudamore attempting to exploit
any tragedy to advance his whacko agenda.

Anti-vaccine [censored] like Scudamore love it when children die. That
is, of course, the main reason they are opposed to vaccines -- to get
children to die. They pretend it's all about revealing a conspiracy
among vaccine manufacturers and the medical profession, when really
they just want children to start dying of vaccine-preventable diseases
by the thousands again.

PF

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Subject: Re: Flu virus attacks child despite vaccination
From: [email hidden] (PF Riley)
Date: 12/7/2003 6:34 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Anti-vaccine [censored] like Scudamore love it when children die. That
is, of course, the main reason they are opposed to vaccines -- to get
children to die.

Absurd.

In article <[email hidden]>,

PF Riley said:

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:26:15 GMT, [email hidden] (David

Wright) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

john said:

PS - notice the headline does NOT read death from flu vaccine
Buried in the text.......

"Flu virus attacks child despite vaccination" - could read BECAUSE of the
vaccination also

It could -- but it doesn't. And it shouldn't, because the injected
flu vaccine doesn't contain live virus and can't give you the flu.

Quoted message said:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_2482930,0
0.html

Flu virus attacks child despite vaccination
Health of twins declined rapidly after the weekend

By Brian D. Crecente, Rocky Mountain News
December 6, 2003

It's always nice to see the loathesome Scudamore attempting to exploit
any tragedy to advance his whacko agenda.

Anti-vaccine [censored] like Scudamore love it when children die. That
is, of course, the main reason they are opposed to vaccines -- to get
children to die. They pretend it's all about revealing a conspiracy
among vaccine manufacturers and the medical profession, when really
they just want children to start dying of vaccine-preventable diseases
by the thousands again.

Yeah, they don't mind if kids die. Besides, hey, they may be dead,
but at least they're thimerosal-free!

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

In article <[email hidden]>,

BL 1204 said:

Quoted message said:

That
flu is the most prevalent because the others have been effectively
suppressed by the vaccination program.

Maybe so. The flu seems to be one step ahead of the vaccine. So the flu shot
this year seems to protect against the *old* varieties of flu-- probably the
same ones I already have immunity to-- and apparently not as deadly as the
current flu.

No, not "the ones you already had." They're more recent than that.

Learn more about this, BL. Don't just speculate.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

"PF Riley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Rich Shewmaker said:

"heppiechik" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I contacted the flu a few weeks after I got the flu shot. That's the

first

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time it ever happened to me.
hc

The incubation period for influenza is much shorter than "a few weeks,"

so

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that makes two reasons that your flu was not caused by the vaccination.

The

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first is that there is no live virus in flu vaccine.

Correct, for the flu shot, that is. The intranasal vaccine IS a live
virus.

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A flu shot cannot cause the flu. Period.

"heppiechik" has a few things to consider. First, was the illness she
called "the flu" really the flu? Many people refer to vomiting and
diarrhea as "the flu," whereas influenza is a severe respiratory
illness marked by high fevers, significant cough, headache, sore
throat, body aches, and malaise with minimal runny/stuffy nose. Even
with those symptoms, it may not be the flu, as there are many flu-like
viruses for which the flu vaccine does not provide protection.

The flu shot may cause the feeling of a viral prodrome a day or two
after getting it. I tell people that for the next day or so they may
actually feel like they're coming down with something and then it goes
away. (I experienced that myself after my first dose of hepatitis B
vaccine.) I wonder if this myth that the flu shot causes the flu comes
from people exaggerating mild symptoms like that.

One last thing to consider: We begin flu shot season right at the
beginning of cold season. With colds running rampant through the
schools and spilling into the community in the fall while thousands of
people line up for flu shots, it is statistically nearly impossible
that NO ONE will just happen to come down with something after they
get the shot. Of that percentage of people who do, a certain
percentage of them will believe that the shot did it to them, and one
will be unable to convince them otherwise. They then propagate the
myth that the flu shot gives you the flu.

Exactly. And since they propagate it to everybody they know, pretty soon
everybody knows somebody who knows somebody that got the flu from the flu
shot. It's like an urban legend.

--Rich

Rich Shewmaker said:

"heppiechik" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I contacted the flu a few weeks after I got the flu shot. That's the first
time it ever happened to me.
hc

The incubation period for influenza is much shorter than "a few weeks," so
that makes two reasons that your flu was not caused by the vaccination. The
first is that there is no live virus in flu vaccine.

Correct, for the flu shot, that is. The intranasal vaccine IS a live
virus.

Quoted message said:

A flu shot cannot cause the flu. Period.

"heppiechik" has a few things to consider. First, was the illness she
called "the flu" really the flu? Many people refer to vomiting and
diarrhea as "the flu," whereas influenza is a severe respiratory
illness marked by high fevers, significant cough, headache, sore
throat, body aches, and malaise with minimal runny/stuffy nose. Even
with those symptoms, it may not be the flu, as there are many flu-like
viruses for which the flu vaccine does not provide protection.

The flu shot may cause the feeling of a viral prodrome a day or two
after getting it. I tell people that for the next day or so they may
actually feel like they're coming down with something and then it goes
away. (I experienced that myself after my first dose of hepatitis B
vaccine.) I wonder if this myth that the flu shot causes the flu comes
from people exaggerating mild symptoms like that.

One last thing to consider: We begin flu shot season right at the
beginning of cold season. With colds running rampant through the
schools and spilling into the community in the fall while thousands of
people line up for flu shots, it is statistically nearly impossible
that NO ONE will just happen to come down with something after they
get the shot. Of that percentage of people who do, a certain
percentage of them will believe that the shot did it to them, and one
will be unable to convince them otherwise. They then propagate the
myth that the flu shot gives you the flu.

PF

[email hidden] (PF Riley) wrote in message

Quoted message said:

Anti-vaccine [censored] like Scudamore love it when children die. That
is, of course, the main reason they are opposed to vaccines -- to get
children to die. They pretend it's all about revealing a conspiracy
among vaccine manufacturers and the medical profession, when really
they just want children to start dying of vaccine-preventable diseases
by the thousands again.

PF

Thanks for demonstrating the mind set of vaccinators. You vaccine
Priests would love that to happen--kids dying so they could prove
their religion is worth a piece of [censored]. What they don't tell you is
measles deaths had declined by 99.4% before vaccination and they can't
prove vaccination did didly squat. They know in their heart, if they
had any, vaccines are the main cause of autism so they get more and
more rabid in their hatred (denial) of anti-vaccinators. They know
their religion is set on shifting sand that is made up on lie after
lie after lie, and only kept there by intimidation, lies, greed, power
lust, and their medical monopoly, political monopoly etc.

They love kids so much they wont use vitamin C to prevent all sort of
child deaths. [censored] big big big time
http://www.whale.to/a/nutrition.html

and that is only half of the story--killing kids in Africa is what
goes on at the top of the vaccine killing machine
http://www.whale.to/a/nkuba.html

and morons like Riley think they are saving lives.

john

(PF Riley) said:

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:26:15 GMT, [email hidden] (David

Wright) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

john said:

PS - notice the headline does NOT read death from flu vaccine
Buried in the text.......

"Flu virus attacks child despite vaccination" - could read BECAUSE of the
vaccination also

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It could -- but it doesn't. And it shouldn't, because the injected
flu vaccine doesn't contain live virus and can't give you the flu.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_2482930,00.html

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Flu virus attacks child despite vaccination
Health of twins declined rapidly after the weekend

By Brian D. Crecente, Rocky Mountain News
December 6, 2003

The child died of SOMETHING ... until there has been an autopsy
and a virus ID, blaming the death on classic influenza is only
speculation.

That said: I'm lining up for my flu shot tomorrow afternoon.
Partial protection is better than none.

Tsu Dho Nimh

--
When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like
politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or
your kid and run for your life.

"john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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[email hidden] (PF Riley) wrote in message

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Anti-vaccine [censored] like Scudamore love it when children die. That
is, of course, the main reason they are opposed to vaccines -- to get
children to die. They pretend it's all about revealing a conspiracy
among vaccine manufacturers and the medical profession, when really
they just want children to start dying of vaccine-preventable diseases
by the thousands again.

PF

Thanks for demonstrating the mind set of vaccinators.

Actually, it is the mindset of people who love children and want them to
grow up into healthy adults.

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You vaccine
Priests would love that to happen--kids dying so they could prove
their religion is worth a piece of [censored].

Actually, we just want kids and adults to be healthy and not suffer from
illness like the flu.

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What they don't tell you is
measles deaths had declined by 99.4% before vaccination and they can't
prove vaccination did didly squat.

Except for all the studies that show that vaccines cause the body to make
antibodies and that the antibodies prevent measles. The rate of measles has
declined nearly 100% in well-vaccinated countries, although there are still
outbreaks in areas where the rates of vaccination are lower. I don't know
about you, but I care about that final 0.6% of people whose lives are still
saved by vaccination. One death is too many.

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They know in their heart, if they
had any, vaccines are the main cause of autism so they get more and
more rabid in their hatred (denial) of anti-vaccinators.

Actually, we know in our hearts and brains that vaccines do not cause
autism. Various studies have been done comparing the rates of autism between
people who are vaccinated and those who are not, and the studies show that
vaccination does not cause autism. In addition, there is no plausible
mechanism to show how vaccination can cause autism. A study by the National
Acadamy of Science's (USA) Inistitute of Medicine backs this beleif as does
just about every valid scientific study done on this.

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They know
their religion is set on shifting sand that is made up on lie after
lie after lie, and only kept there by intimidation, lies, greed, power
lust, and their medical monopoly, political monopoly etc.

You're confusing real medicne with homeopathy, chiropractic, etc. The fact
of the matter is that medicine is based on science. Read the medical
journals. The journals are full of articles questioning beliefs, like
whether hormone replacement therapy is good or not, whether aspirin can
cause pancreatic cancer, etc.

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They love kids so much they wont use vitamin C to prevent all sort of
child deaths.

Because there is no valid clinical evidence that vitamin C prevents child
deaths in children who are not malnourished.

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[censored] big big big time
http://www.whale.to/a/nutrition.html

This is the internet's biggest [censored] site. The author is too afraid to put
is name on it. I can't blame him. He doesn't have a clue about science,
medicine or vaccination or nutrition. It is a laughing stock.

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and that is only half of the story--killing kids in Africa is what
goes on at the top of the vaccine killing machine
http://www.whale.to/a/nkuba.html

See above.

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and morons like Riley think they are saving lives.

Please explain why the incidence of small pox, measles, mumps, rubella and
polio have dropped so much. And why the incidence of chicken-pox is dropping
in the US. And all of these are potentially fatal diseases.

Jeff

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john

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Subject: Re: Flu virus attacks child despite vaccination
From: [email hidden] (PF Riley)
Date: 12/7/2003 6:34 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Anti-vaccine [censored] like Scudamore love it when children die. That
is, of course, the main reason they are opposed to vaccines -- to get
children to die.

Absurd.

Wrong. Sinjce they use every child's death as a cause to bash real medicine,
just like you do, it is obvious they *need* dead children for their
scaremongering, just like you do.

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No, not "the ones you already had." They're more recent than that.

Just wondering how you know *when* I had the flu and what type?

BL

"As the waves pass the rock, their shape is changed. There is a hologram of
the rock within the wave that comes forward and crashes on the beach, then
there's a reflected wave back." Ralph Abraham

"I'd like to learn to windsurf." BL

In article <[email hidden]>,

BL 1204 said:

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No, not "the ones you already had." They're more recent than that.

Just wondering how you know *when* I had the flu and what type?

Fine, BL -- if you were in the southern hemisphere within the last 9
months or so and caught the flu, I'll concede that I might be wrong.
Likewisey if you were in China and caught the flu.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)