Floyd must've bonked

Kurgan Gringioni said:

What other explanation is there for cracking that badly?

Hip? But I get the impression that if it was, he'd never say so. Could
have been inadequate post-state replentishment from yesterday, due to
regaining the jersey and the ensuing media crunch. Or just deep fatigue
that's built up, or his living up to his reputation of always having a
bad day in the mountains.

Source for endless RBR speculation.....

Kurgan Gringioni said:

What other explanation is there for cracking that badly?

Agreed. But if so, it boggles the mind that the DS, et. al., didn't keep him
fueled and hydrated adequately. It's always surprising to me when a top pro
on a top team bonks. Perhaps it was too difficult to get to/from the car
today on those technical roads. Plus almost no teammates around as Axel was
in and out of contact. Bummer.

According to Pereiro (on TVE) , it was part of his team´s strategy to make
the race more lifvely going down the Croix-de-Fer to induce bad refueling on
some rivals...

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Kurgan Gringioni said:

What other explanation is there for cracking that badly?

Agreed. But if so, it boggles the mind that the DS, et. al., didn't keep
him fueled and hydrated adequately. It's always surprising to me when a
top pro on a top team bonks. Perhaps it was too difficult to get to/from
the car today on those technical roads. Plus almost no teammates around as
Axel was in and out of contact. Bummer.

Kurgan Gringioni said:

What other explanation is there for cracking that badly?

I saw something about him having coughing jags during last night's
press conference, but I cannot find the web site where I read it. Not
indexed in google news. Somebody's blog I think.

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According to Pereiro (on TVE) , it was part of his team´s strategy to make the race more lifvely going down the Croix-de-Fer to
induce bad refueling on some rivals...

Pretty good strategy if that's what happened.

in 515054 20060719 180418 'Mark Fennell said:

Kurgan Gringioni said:

What other explanation is there for cracking that badly?

Agreed. But if so, it boggles the mind that the DS, et. al., didn't keep him
fueled and hydrated adequately. It's always surprising to me when a top pro
on a top team bonks.

Armstrong bonked on Joux-Plane, which is where they are going tomorrow.

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| > According to Pereiro (on TVE) , it was part of his team´s strategy to
make the race more lifvely going down the Croix-de-Fer to
| > induce bad refueling on some rivals...
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| Pretty good strategy if that's what happened.
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According to Floyd, it wasn't a bonk. Leipheimer Syndrome?

« Merci d'être venus si nombreux, c'est sympa », a déclaré Landis aux
journalistes qui se pressaient à son hôtel. « Malheureusement, je n'ai pas
d'explications. J'ai vécu une mauvaise journée, je n'ai pas été bien de
toute l'étape ».

Le chef de file de l'équipe Phonak a rejeté l'hypothèse de la fringale qui
avait été avancée dans un premier temps à son sujet.

« Je reste en course. Si je peux, je vais me battre », a ajouté Landis qui a
eu quelques mots à l'attention du nouveau leader, l'Espagnol Oscar Pereiro,
son ancien coéquipier : « C'est un ami. J'aime autant que ce soit
lui ».(AFP)

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| > According to Pereiro (on TVE) , it was part of his team´s strategy to
make the race more lifvely going down the Croix-de-Fer to
| > induce bad refueling on some rivals...
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| Pretty good strategy if that's what happened.
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|
According to Floyd, it wasn't a bonk. Leipheimer Syndrome?

« Merci d'être venus si nombreux, c'est sympa », a déclaré Landis aux
journalistes qui se pressaient à son hôtel. « Malheureusement, je n'ai pas
d'explications. J'ai vécu une mauvaise journée, je n'ai pas été bien de
toute l'étape ».

Le chef de file de l'équipe Phonak a rejeté l'hypothèse de la fringale qui
avait été avancée dans un premier temps à son sujet.

« Je reste en course. Si je peux, je vais me battre », a ajouté Landis qui a
eu quelques mots à l'attention du nouveau leader, l'Espagnol Oscar Pereiro,
son ancien coéquipier : « C'est un ami. J'aime autant que ce soit
lui ».(AFP)

That was his stated fear prior to today, and I guess the fear of
most riders -- une mauvaise journée, The Bad Day.

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| > | "Alex" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| > | > According to Pereiro (on TVE) , it was part of his team´s strategy
to
| > make the race more lifvely going down the Croix-de-Fer to
| > | > induce bad refueling on some rivals...
| > |
| > | Pretty good strategy if that's what happened.
| > |
| > |
| > According to Floyd, it wasn't a bonk. Leipheimer Syndrome?
| >
| > « Merci d'être venus si nombreux, c'est sympa », a déclaré Landis aux
| > journalistes qui se pressaient à son hôtel. « Malheureusement, je n'ai
pas
| > d'explications. J'ai vécu une mauvaise journée, je n'ai pas été bien de
| > toute l'étape ».
| >
| >
| >
| > Le chef de file de l'équipe Phonak a rejeté l'hypothèse de la fringale
qui
| > avait été avancée dans un premier temps à son sujet.
| >
| >
| >
| > « Je reste en course. Si je peux, je vais me battre », a ajouté Landis
qui a
| > eu quelques mots à l'attention du nouveau leader, l'Espagnol Oscar
Pereiro,
| > son ancien coéquipier : « C'est un ami. J'aime autant que ce soit
| > lui ».(AFP)
|
| That was his stated fear prior to today, and I guess the fear of
| most riders -- une mauvaise journée, The Bad Day.
|
|
|

I think he should take it easy tomorrow and Friday, finishing in the
groupetto, and go for a win in the TT on Saturday.

He just did not had enough DOPING!

Funny how no one ever mentiones that they STILL DOPE in the TDF...

Kurgan Gringioni said:

What other explanation is there for cracking that badly?

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|| > | > induce bad refueling on some rivals...
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|| > | Pretty good strategy if that's what happened.
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|| > According to Floyd, it wasn't a bonk. Leipheimer Syndrome?
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|| > « Merci d'être venus si nombreux, c'est sympa », a déclaré Landis aux
|| > journalistes qui se pressaient à son hôtel. « Malheureusement, je n'ai
| pas
|| > d'explications. J'ai vécu une mauvaise journée, je n'ai pas été bien de
|| > toute l'étape ».
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|| > Le chef de file de l'équipe Phonak a rejeté l'hypothèse de la fringale
| qui
|| > avait été avancée dans un premier temps à son sujet.
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|| >
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|| > « Je reste en course. Si je peux, je vais me battre », a ajouté Landis
| qui a
|| > eu quelques mots à l'attention du nouveau leader, l'Espagnol Oscar
| Pereiro,
|| > son ancien coéquipier : « C'est un ami. J'aime autant que ce soit
|| > lui ».(AFP)
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|| That was his stated fear prior to today, and I guess the fear of
|| most riders -- une mauvaise journée, The Bad Day.
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| I think he should take it easy tomorrow and Friday, finishing in the
| groupetto, and go for a win in the TT on Saturday.
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Assuming, of course, that his legs aren't back tomorrow.

Alex said:

According to Pereiro (on TVE) , it was part of his team´s strategy to make
the race more lifvely going down the Croix-de-Fer to induce bad refuelingon
some rivals...

What do you mean by refueling? The feeding zone was well before the
Croix-de-Fer summit.

Kurgan Gringioni said:

What other explanation is there for cracking that badly?

Actually it is part of Floyd's secret tactical plan (as exhibited in
stage 13) where he gives up the jersey to Pereiro and will allow him
to take it easy until Paris where his failure will be complete.

Besides we dont want another american gimp to win again. It's bad for
the tour, and bad for morale in the peloton.

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| Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
| > What other explanation is there for cracking that badly?
|
| Agreed. But if so, it boggles the mind that the DS, et. al., didn't keep
him
| fueled and hydrated adequately. It's always surprising to me when a top
pro
| on a top team bonks. Perhaps it was too difficult to get to/from the car
| today on those technical roads. Plus almost no teammates around as Axel
was
| in and out of contact. Bummer.
|
|
He wasn't going well from the start. You usually have to have ridden a bit
before you can bonk..

Quoted message said:

Kurgan Gringioni said:

What other explanation is there for cracking that badly?

Hip? But I get the impression that if it was, he'd never say so. Could
have been inadequate post-state replentishment from yesterday, due to
regaining the jersey and the ensuing media crunch. Or just deep fatigue
that's built up, or his living up to his reputation of always having a
bad day in the mountains.

Source for endless RBR speculation.....

Word from the horse's mouth:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2006/tour06/?id=/riders/2006/interviews/floyd_landis_tdf306

I sure don't see a lot of excuses in here.

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Kurgan Gringioni said:

What other explanation is there for cracking that badly?

From cyclingnews.com:

"I had a bad day on the wrong day," a disappointed Landis said in a
press conference, several hours after Oscar Pereiro (Caisse d’Epargne
– Illes Balears) took back the jersey he relinquished yesterday. "The
team did a good job in the beginning; I suffered from the beginning
but I tried to hide it... In the end, I couldn't go. I don't think it
was a problem with not eating enough; like I said, I wasn't good from
the beginning."

The American knew he very probably lost the Tour de France today. "My
chance to win the Tour is very small at this point, but I'm gonna
fight, because you never know what's going to happen next," he added,
on a more positive note. "I think I did everything I could do to win
this Tour. I'd change this day if I could, but I don't know what I
would have done differently. So I can't say I regret anything I did."

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Mark Fennell said:

Kurgan Gringioni said:

What other explanation is there for cracking that badly?

Agreed. But if so, it boggles the mind that the DS, et. al., didn't keep him
fueled and hydrated adequately. It's always surprising to me when a top pro
on a top team bonks. Perhaps it was too difficult to get to/from the car
today on those technical roads. Plus almost no teammates around as Axel was
in and out of contact. Bummer.

This is what the Tour looks like with recovery products only.

Quoted message said:

According to Floyd, it wasn't a bonk. Leipheimer Syndrome?

« Merci d'être venus si nombreux, c'est sympa », a déclaré Landis aux
journalistes qui se pressaient à son hôtel. « Malheureusement, je n'ai pas
d'explications. J'ai vécu une mauvaise journée, je n'ai pas été bien de
toute l'étape ».

Le chef de file de l'équipe Phonak a rejeté l'hypothèse de la fringale qui
avait été avancée dans un premier temps à son sujet.

« Je reste en course. Si je peux, je vais me battre », a ajouté Landis qui a
eu quelques mots à l'attention du nouveau leader, l'Espagnol Oscar Pereiro,
son ancien coéquipier : « C'est un ami. J'aime autant que ce soit
lui ».(AFP)

Nice words, true class, one can only imagine what UberAssHole would
have said in his place, pour pick:
- brake rubbing all day long
- I lost 25kg on the Mollard
- Kloden didn't wait for me
- I was waiting for Ullrich
- Not enough oil on chain
- Perrero pushed me
- Leppy"s wife scared me
- Sheryl Crow told me this morning she wrote a song for me
- etc...

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| >According to Floyd, it wasn't a bonk. Leipheimer Syndrome?
| >
| >« Merci d'être venus si nombreux, c'est sympa », a déclaré Landis aux
| >journalistes qui se pressaient à son hôtel. « Malheureusement, je n'ai
pas
| >d'explications. J'ai vécu une mauvaise journée, je n'ai pas été bien de
| >toute l'étape ».
| >
| >
| >
| >Le chef de file de l'équipe Phonak a rejeté l'hypothèse de la fringale
qui
| >avait été avancée dans un premier temps à son sujet.
| >
| >
| >
| >« Je reste en course. Si je peux, je vais me battre », a ajouté Landis
qui a
| >eu quelques mots à l'attention du nouveau leader, l'Espagnol Oscar
Pereiro,
| >son ancien coéquipier : « C'est un ami. J'aime autant que ce soit
| >lui ».(AFP)
|
| Nice words, true class, one can only imagine what UberAssHole would
| have said in his place, pour pick:
| - brake rubbing all day long
| - I lost 25kg on the Mollard
| - Kloden didn't wait for me
| - I was waiting for Ullrich
| - Not enough oil on chain
| - Perrero pushed me
| - Leppy"s wife scared me
| - Sheryl Crow told me this morning she wrote a song for me
| - etc...

Pereiro also showed a lot of class.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2006/tour06/?id=/riders/2006/interviews/oscar_pereiro_tdf206
Q: You know Floyd very well. Did you have any sign during the stage that
Floyd might not have a good day? Are you shocked at how severely he cracked
today?

OP: I didn't realize this until the very last climb to La Toussuire. I'm
really sad for him, as I honestly would have liked to see him up front at
the Tour. I don't know what happened to him. Maybe he had a hunger knock, I
don't know. But I can assure you that I would never would have been the
first to attack him; he's a friend. Thanks to him, I rode the Tour before,
and I owe a lot to Phonak.