Florida Boycott

"Robert J. Matter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I've been following the ongoing battle of NIMBYs in West Palm Beach,
Florida opposing the creation of 5' bike lanes along A1A (see

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/auto/epaper/editions/friday/s
outh_county_04dad8a38159505300cf.html).

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To send a message to Florida that 5' min. width bike lanes should be
built along both sides of A1A, I think cyclists should immediately begin
a boycott of the whole state of Florida. Ride and spend your money in a
more bicycle friendly state. If you live in Florida, don't ride or spend
any money in Palm Beach County. If you live in Palm Beach County, don't
ride or spend any money in West Palm Beach.

Spread the word to your cycling club friends and cycling associations
you belong to. In the coming days I'll try to work up a Boycott Florida
graphic and slogan that can be copied and used on web pages free of

charge.

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-Bob Matter
Hammond, IN

I'm familiar with bike lanes in Boston ... they suck. They do more harm
than good. They're decidedly bike UNfreindly, especially since they reside
in the door zone most of the time.

However the bike lanes in FL may be a different story, can you provide any
links to more solid information from both sides?

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"Like big cars, big lawns are a symbol of
self-centeredness and contempt for others."
--Lorenzo L. Love

Where I come from, they're called "fire breaks". People who have the woods
coming right up to the house are the selfish ones ... it puts firefighters
lives in more danger.

C.Q.C.

I would much rather have a bike lane than not. I don't care if it is in the
door zone. The more room to maneuver the better, IMHO.

Curt

"Q." <LostVideos-AT-hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Robert J. Matter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I've been following the ongoing battle of NIMBYs in West Palm Beach,
Florida opposing the creation of 5' bike lanes along A1A (see

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/auto/epaper/editions/friday/s

Quoted message said:

outh_county_04dad8a38159505300cf.html).

Quoted message said:

To send a message to Florida that 5' min. width bike lanes should be
built along both sides of A1A, I think cyclists should immediately begin
a boycott of the whole state of Florida. Ride and spend your money in a
more bicycle friendly state. If you live in Florida, don't ride or spend
any money in Palm Beach County. If you live in Palm Beach County, don't
ride or spend any money in West Palm Beach.

Spread the word to your cycling club friends and cycling associations
you belong to. In the coming days I'll try to work up a Boycott Florida
graphic and slogan that can be copied and used on web pages free of

charge.

Quoted message said:

-Bob Matter
Hammond, IN

I'm familiar with bike lanes in Boston ... they suck. They do more harm
than good. They're decidedly bike UNfreindly, especially since they

reside

Quoted message said:

in the door zone most of the time.

However the bike lanes in FL may be a different story, can you provide any
links to more solid information from both sides?

Quoted message said:

"Like big cars, big lawns are a symbol of
self-centeredness and contempt for others."
--Lorenzo L. Love

Where I come from, they're called "fire breaks". People who have the

woods

Quoted message said:

coming right up to the house are the selfish ones ... it puts firefighters
lives in more danger.

C.Q.C.

curt said:

I would much rather have a bike lane than not. I don't care if it is in the
door zone. The more room to maneuver the better, IMHO.

Curt

Yeah, but it depends. If they don't widen the street, or have it -in- the
plan, or remove on-street parking and stopping, the BFB (big, uh friendly
busses) will cut into your bike lane to do pickups or drop offs, (which
added to an existing street width will be 1/3 of the optimal width for the
lane), adding to the possibility that the unwary rider will just be crushed
by some large metallic object'd art. ;-)

It may be better to just take over the sidewalks in those areas, like
downtown where space is limited. But beware elevators, pull outs and
deliver chutes.

-B

Robert J. Matte said:

I've been following the ongoing battle of NIMBYs in West Palm Beach,
Florida opposing the creation of 5' bike lanes along A1A (see http://w-
ww.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/auto/epaper/editions/friday/sou-
th_county_04dad8a38159505300cf.htmlhttp://www.palmbeachpost.com/localn-
ews/content/auto/epaper/editions/friday/south_county_04dad8a3815950530-
0cf.html).
To send a message to Florida that 5' min. width bike lanes should be
built along both sides of A1A, I think cyclists should immediately begin
a boycott of the whole state of Florida. Ride and spend your money in a
more bicycle friendly state. If you live in Florida, don't ride or spend
any money in Palm Beach County. If you live in Palm Beach County, don't
ride or spend any money in West Palm Beach.
Spread the word to your cycling club friends and cycling associations
you belong to. In the coming days I'll try to work up a Boycott
Florida graphic and slogan that can be copied and used on web pages
free of charge.
-Bob Matter Hammond, IN
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"Like big cars, big lawns are a symbol of self-centeredness and contempt
for others."
-- Lorenzo L. Love

Boycott an entire state???? Are you insane?

Hey, I live in Florida and any attempt to hurt Florida's tourism is a
direct attack against my way of life. Besides, why boycott an entire
state for 2300 residents in 5 different towns (according to the
article)? That equates to 460 people in each town that doesn't want 5'
bikes lanes but are willing to have 3' lanes. Arn't you over re-acting?
I'll bet I could find 460 residents in just about every town in America
that thinks bicyclist shouldn't have 5' lanes.

Dan.

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Q. said:

Where I come from, they're called "fire breaks". People who have the woods
coming right up to the house are the selfish ones ... it puts firefighters
lives in more danger.

C.Q.C.

Where I live, green, water thirsty lawns are not necessary for fire
break, you can remove the close trees and scrub brush without having to
replace it with no native grasses. In fact, exactly where I live.

--
Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado
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"Robert J. Matter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

To send a message to Florida that 5' min. width bike lanes should be
built along both sides of A1A, I think cyclists should immediately begin
a boycott of the whole state of Florida. Ride and spend your money in a
more bicycle friendly state.

That's right, Bob. You and your money just stay right there in
Hammond, Indiana. We have all the Yankees we need telling us how they
do it "back home."

For those who are not familiar with the stretch of A1A in dispute, a
lot of residents have built fences or walls as close to the street as
possible to keep the unwashed masses from their property. Problem is,
most of the fences and walls are built on FDOT right of way. Some of
the residents feel like they have gained ownership or at least
prescriptive rights to the right of way since the structures have been
there for years and they have never been challenged.

[censored] Durbin
Tallahassee

Hey Bob,
Boycott Florida? Get bent!
"We Don't Give A [censored] How You Do It Up North!"
Tampa, FL

Robert J. Matter <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I've been following the ongoing battle of NIMBYs in West Palm Beach,
Florida opposing the creation of 5' bike lanes along A1A (see

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/auto/epaper/editions/friday/s
outh_county_04dad8a38159505300cf.html).

Quoted message said:

To send a message to Florida that 5' min. width bike lanes should be
built along both sides of A1A, I think cyclists should immediately begin
a boycott of the whole state of Florida. Ride and spend your money in a
more bicycle friendly state. If you live in Florida, don't ride or spend
any money in Palm Beach County. If you live in Palm Beach County, don't
ride or spend any money in West Palm Beach.

Spread the word to your cycling club friends and cycling associations
you belong to. In the coming days I'll try to work up a Boycott Florida
graphic and slogan that can be copied and used on web pages free of

charge.

Quoted message said:

-Bob Matter
Hammond, IN
-----------
"Like big cars, big lawns are a symbol of
self-centeredness and contempt for others."
--Lorenzo L. Love

BanditManDan said:

Robert J. Matte said:

I've been following the ongoing battle of NIMBYs in West Palm Beach,
Florida opposing the creation of 5' bike lanes along A1A (see http://w-
ww.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/auto/epaper/editions/friday/sou-
th_county_04dad8a38159505300cf.htmlhttp://www.palmbeachpost.com/localn-
ews/content/auto/epaper/editions/friday/south_county_04dad8a3815950530-
0cf.html).
To send a message to Florida that 5' min. width bike lanes should be
built along both sides of A1A, I think cyclists should immediately begin
a boycott of the whole state of Florida. Ride and spend your money in a
more bicycle friendly state. If you live in Florida, don't ride or spend
any money in Palm Beach County. If you live in Palm Beach County, don't
ride or spend any money in West Palm Beach.
Spread the word to your cycling club friends and cycling associations
you belong to. In the coming days I'll try to work up a Boycott
Florida graphic and slogan that can be copied and used on web pages
free of charge.
-Bob Matter Hammond, IN
-----------
"Like big cars, big lawns are a symbol of self-centeredness and contempt
for others."
-- Lorenzo L. Love

Boycott an entire state???? Are you insane?

Hey, I live in Florida and any attempt to hurt Florida's tourism is a
direct attack against my way of life. Besides, why boycott an entire
state for 2300 residents in 5 different towns (according to the
article)? That equates to 460 people in each town that doesn't want 5'
bikes lanes but are willing to have 3' lanes. Arn't you over re-acting?
I'll bet I could find 460 residents in just about every town in America
that thinks bicyclist shouldn't have 5' lanes.

Dan.

There are a number of reasons why a statewide boycott is the best plan
of attack. It's a state agency, the FDOT, that should be putting its
foot down against the greedy self-centered NIMBYs. A statewide boycott
will have more economic impact. A statewide boycott will make an example
out of Palm Beach County; if every county in Florida feels some sting
from the boycott they will try not to repeat the same mistake.

Personally I don't care if one Floridian or all of them think cyclists
shouldn't have 5' bike lanes. I only care if the FDOT listens to them
and builds sub-standard bike lanes.

-Bob Matter
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"Trains of all sizes dominate. Streetcars spin down streets
in a national web of reliable rail. Bikes offer transit for
over ten percent of commuters. Half of all Amsterdam traffic
is two-wheeled, moving on safe lanes that bypass car traffic."
--Jane Holtz Kay, New Colonist January 2003

Robert J. Matte said:

Personally I don't care if one Floridian or all of them think cyclists
shouldn't have 5' bike lanes. I only care if the FDOT listens to them
and builds sub-standard bike lanes.

Wow, so you obviously live in "bike utopia", huh Bob. All major roads
clearly have 5' bike lanes (obviously 3' lanes aren't big enough) and
all motor vehicles yeild to cyclist. That's great Bob, please enlighten
the rest of us on how you managed to collect enough taxes to pay for
this and get motorist to participate 100%. Better yet, where is this
"bike utopia"?

Dan.

--

Robert J. Matte said:

Personally I don't care if one Floridian or all of them think cyclists
shouldn't have 5' bike lanes. I only care if the FDOT listens to them
and builds sub-standard bike lanes.

Wow, so you obviously live in "bike utopia", huh Bob. All major roads
clearly have 5' bike lanes (obviously 3' lanes aren't big enough) and
all motor vehicles yeild to cyclist. That's great Bob, please enlighten
the rest of us on how you managed to collect enough taxes to pay for
this and get motorist to participate 100%. Better yet, where is this
"bike utopia"?

Dan.

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BanditManDan <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Wow, so you obviously live in "bike utopia", huh Bob. All major roads
clearly have 5' bike lanes (obviously 3' lanes aren't big enough) and
all motor vehicles yeild to cyclist. That's great Bob, please enlighten
the rest of us on how you managed to collect enough taxes to pay for
this and get motorist to participate 100%. Better yet, where is this
"bike utopia"?

Bob lives in Hammond, Indiana, from which he provides guidance on how
the rest of the world should live. I have run across his sophomoric
drivel on this ng and a listserve in Kentucky. I have never been to
Hammond but, since there are no local problems for Bob to address, it
must be heaven for bicyclists.

Bob reminds me of a guy in my neighborhood when I was growing up. His
favorite game was a variation on "let's you and him fight."

[censored] Durbin
Tallahassee

BanditManDan said:

Wow, so you obviously live in "bike utopia", huh Bob. All major roads
clearly have 5' bike lanes (obviously 3' lanes aren't big enough) and
all motor vehicles yeild to cyclist. That's great Bob, please enlighten
the rest of us on how you managed to collect enough taxes to pay for
this and get motorist to participate 100%. Better yet, where is this
"bike utopia"?

Not really jumping into this fight, but FWIW, they'd have to trim at
least a foot off the bike lanes in the Phoenix, Arizona east valley to
make them 5' wide. Motorists don't participate at quite 100% (had one
do a stupid right turn across my path today for example, though they
were at least trying to miss me in the process), but certainly a lot
better than the motorists along A1A in Florida (though they're really
only really obnoxious for the first month after the snowbirds arrive
and get used to bikes on the roads again).

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

On Sun, 23 May 2004 08:49:33 GMT in rec.bicycles.misc, "Robert J.

Matter said:

Quoted message said:

Hey, I live in Florida and any attempt to hurt Florida's tourism is a
direct attack against my way of life. Besides, why boycott an entire
state for 2300 residents in 5 different towns (according to the
article)? That equates to 460 people in each town that doesn't want 5'
bikes lanes but are willing to have 3' lanes. Arn't you over re-acting?
I'll bet I could find 460 residents in just about every town in America
that thinks bicyclist shouldn't have 5' lanes.

i'm boycotting florida because jeb bush rigged the last
presidential erection, and because it's a state that sentences a
retarded 13 year old to life in prison for a homicide that was
NOT an intentional murder.

i'm boycotting texASS for similar reasons.

Dennis P. Harris said:

i'm boycotting florida because jeb bush rigged the last
presidential erection, and because it's a state that sentences a
retarded 13 year old to life in prison for a homicide that was
NOT an intentional murder.

i'm boycotting texASS for similar reasons.

Wow, I'll bet they're crushed.

Bill "admire use of erection and ASS in same scathing commentary though" S.

"Dennis P. Harris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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i'm boycotting florida because jeb bush rigged the last
presidential erection, and because it's a state that sentences a
retarded 13 year old to life in prison for a homicide that was
NOT an intentional murder.

i'm boycotting texASS for similar reasons.

Congradulations, you obviously knew more about the 13 year old boy's case
than the jury. Personally I don't have a problem with the justice system in
this country but I respect those you don't like it. I just wish people
would look at thier own local government (this type of case could have been
anywhere in the country) before critisizing others since your court systems
are based on juries as well (assuming your in the U.S.).

Dan.

Dennis P. Harris said:

i'm boycotting florida because jeb bush rigged the last
presidential erection, and because it's a state that sentences a
retarded 13 year old to life in prison for a homicide that was
NOT an intentional murder.

i'm boycotting texASS for similar reasons.

I imagine they're quite devastated by the loss of your business.

Bill "credit due for using erection and ass in same inane comment, however"
S.

(PS: Sorry if similar already posted; never showed up on my server and the
masses deserve it! 🙂

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[email hidden] (Dennis P. Harris)

wrote in part:

Quoted message said:

i'm boycotting florida because jeb bush rigged the last
presidential erection, and because it's a state that sentences a
retarded 13 year old to life in prison for a homicide that was
NOT an intentional murder.

i'm boycotting texASS for similar reasons.

So you won't be spending all your millions in those States, huh Dennis? I hope
they somehow manage to balance their budgets anyway.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

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[email hidden] ([censored] Durbin)

wrote in part (about another Bob):

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Bob reminds me of a guy in my neighborhood when I was growing up. His
favorite game was a variation on "let's you and him fight."

Thanks. That was the best laugh I've had this week.

Regards,
Bob Hunt