Flat tire due to Sharp Metal

Roger Zoul said:

Yesterday I got a flat due to a sharp piece of metal in the road. There is a
hole in the tire along the outer perimeter (not on the side wall). It's a
brand new Kelvar belted tire, too.

Is this tire toast now?

Toast, unless the hole is tiny, less than 1mm. And even then I'd be
looking to replace it pretty soon.

Laters,

Marz

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Roger Zoul said:

Yesterday I got a flat due to a sharp piece of metal in the road. There is a
hole in the tire along the outer perimeter (not on the side wall). It's a
brand new Kelvar belted tire, too.

Is this tire toast now?

Not necessarily. It may be repairable with a boot.
I've made some fairly effective boots out of patches
of jeans denim, liberally soused with contact cement.

But just knowing the hole is there will perpetually
nag at you until you eventually replace the tire.
So will "feeling" the bumps created by any tire boot that
you know is there. I guess it's a psychological thing.

One thing to watch out for is dumpsters by construction sites.
I give them a wide berth. There's often little bits of flashing
trimmings lying on the ground around them. Those things
are especially nasty.

Kevlar might be bulletproof, but it sure ain't knifeproof.

cheers,
Tom

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Roger Zoul said:

Yesterday I got a flat due to a sharp piece of metal in the road. There is a
hole in the tire along the outer perimeter (not on the side wall). It's a
brand new Kelvar belted tire, too.

Is this tire toast now?

Depends on the size of the hole. What kind of sharp
piece of metal are we talking about here? Unless the
hole is large enough that it allows the tube to balloon
through and make contact with the road surface, the
tire is probably fine. Even then, it could likely be saved
with a 'boot' as Tom mentions. I have had a few flats
from nails, for instance--simply patched the tube and
rode onward with no noticeable ill effects. Tires are
tough, generally speaking.

Robert

Roger Zoul said:

Yesterday I got a flat due to a sharp piece of metal in the road. There is a
hole in the tire along the outer perimeter (not on the side wall). It's a
brand new Kelvar belted tire, too.

Is this tire toast now?

I know folks have sed a variety of materials to make boots but Park
sells a patch like boot material that works great. I've had some of
these covering cuts caused by glass and they have been holding fine for
several hundred miles.

Roger Zoul said:

Yesterday I got a flat due to a sharp piece of metal in the road. There is a
hole in the tire along the outer perimeter (not on the side wall). It's a
brand new Kelvar belted tire, too.

Is this tire toast now?

Probably. You may be able to boot the tire, but you need to do
something there. If you don't, the flexing tire will use the hole to
chew through the tube, resulting in more flats.

Pat

"Pat Lamb" wrote: (clip) you need to do something there. If you don't, the
flexing tire will use the hole to

Quoted message said:

chew through the tube, resulting in more flats.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
One suggestion: let the patch serve as a sort of boot. Just be sure to
remount the tire and tube with the same orientation as it came off. Maybe
using an automotive patch, instead of the tiny bike ones, would give a
little extra support.

Roger Zoul said:

Yesterday I got a flat due to a sharp piece of metal in the road. There is a
hole in the tire along the outer perimeter (not on the side wall). It's a
brand new Kelvar belted tire, too.

Is this tire toast now?

I had the same thing happen to a brand new panaracer kevlar belted tire.
I just put a piece of duct tape on the inside of the tire. I haven't had
any problems with it yet.

Ken
--
The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it gets
old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one without
shocking the entire community. ~Ann Strong

Marz wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: Yesterday I got a flat due to a sharp piece of metal in the road.
::: There is a hole in the tire along the outer perimeter (not on the
::: side wall). It's a brand new Kelvar belted tire, too.
:::
::: Is this tire toast now?
::
:: Toast, unless the hole is tiny, less than 1mm. And even then I'd be
:: looking to replace it pretty soon.

The hole is about 5 mm long overall, with 3mm of that being along the center
axis of the tire and the rest at a 45 deg angle toward one side.

Tom Keats wrote:
:: In article <[email hidden]>,
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> writes:
::: Yesterday I got a flat due to a sharp piece of metal in the road.
::: There is a hole in the tire along the outer perimeter (not on the
::: side wall). It's a brand new Kelvar belted tire, too.
:::
::: Is this tire toast now?
::
:: Not necessarily. It may be repairable with a boot.
:: I've made some fairly effective boots out of patches
:: of jeans denim, liberally soused with contact cement.
::
:: But just knowing the hole is there will perpetually
:: nag at you until you eventually replace the tire.
:: So will "feeling" the bumps created by any tire boot that
:: you know is there. I guess it's a psychological thing.
::

Yeah, and it is bugging me right now thinking about this. Dammit.

:: One thing to watch out for is dumpsters by construction sites.
:: I give them a wide berth. There's often little bits of flashing
:: trimmings lying on the ground around them. Those things
:: are especially nasty.
::
:: Kevlar might be bulletproof, but it sure ain't knifeproof.

Right! this was a flat, sharp piece of metal with the smaller width end
sticking out and the larger end inside the tire. Interestingly, the tube
shows what looks like a pinch flat (two tiny pin-head holes about 1mm apart)
at the outer seam about 2.5 inches from the stem. Also, there is one tiny
hole just opposite the other two but along the inner seam. However, the hole
in the tire is about 180 deg opposite the stem location. Perhaps I rotated
the tire while changing the tube?

[email hidden] wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: Yesterday I got a flat due to a sharp piece of metal in the road.
::: There is a hole in the tire along the outer perimeter (not on the
::: side wall). It's a brand new Kelvar belted tire, too.
:::
::: Is this tire toast now?
::
:: Depends on the size of the hole.

In the tire, about 3 mm of it is along the center line of the tire with
about 2mm going off at a 45 deg angle, more or less.

:: What kind of sharp
:: piece of metal are we talking about here?

Flat, wider end inside the tire narrower end sticking out. Not quite
triangular.

Unless the
:: hole is large enough that it allows the tube to balloon
:: through and make contact with the road surface, the
:: tire is probably fine. Even then, it could likely be saved
:: with a 'boot' as Tom mentions. I have had a few flats
:: from nails, for instance--simply patched the tube and
:: rode onward with no noticeable ill effects. Tires are
:: tough, generally speaking.

I guess I could try booting it. I do have 3 other tires that I could put on
there. It's just that its brand new, probably not even 100 miles on it yet.

gds wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: Yesterday I got a flat due to a sharp piece of metal in the road.
::: There is a hole in the tire along the outer perimeter (not on the
::: side wall). It's a brand new Kelvar belted tire, too.
:::
::: Is this tire toast now?
::
:: I know folks have sed a variety of materials to make boots but Park
:: sells a patch like boot material that works great. I've had some of
:: these covering cuts caused by glass and they have been holding fine
:: for several hundred miles.

What if I just used the patch material that ones uses on an inner tube, just
applied to the inside of the tire?

Leo Lichtman wrote:
:: "Pat Lamb" wrote: (clip) you need to do something there. If you
:: don't, the flexing tire will use the hole to
::: chew through the tube, resulting in more flats.
:: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:: One suggestion: let the patch serve as a sort of boot. Just be
:: sure to remount the tire and tube with the same orientation as it
:: came off. Maybe using an automotive patch, instead of the tiny bike
:: ones, would give a little extra support.

What do you mean by "remount the tire and tube with the same orientation as
it came off." ?

I would simply use the tube patch material on the inner surface of the tire
opposite the hole. Obviously, I'd just put a new tube in the tire.

Ken C. M. wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: Yesterday I got a flat due to a sharp piece of metal in the road.
::: There is a hole in the tire along the outer perimeter (not on the
::: side wall). It's a brand new Kelvar belted tire, too.
:::
::: Is this tire toast now?
:::
:::
::
:: I had the same thing happen to a brand new panaracer kevlar belted
:: tire. I just put a piece of duct tape on the inside of the tire. I
:: haven't had any problems with it yet.
::

Thanks. I may try this or something similar.

"Roger Zoul" wrote: What do you mean by "remount the tire and tube with the
same orientation as

Quoted message said:

it came off." ?

I would simply use the tube patch material on the inner surface of the
tire opposite the hole. Obviously, I'd just put a new tube in the tire.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I was thinking the tube might be repairable. If you opatch the tube, and
put it back in the same position, the patch acts as a sort of boot. If the
tube is beyond repair, then obviously what I said does not apply.

Roger Zoul said:

Marz wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: Yesterday I got a flat due to a sharp piece of metal in the road.
::: There is a hole in the tire along the outer perimeter (not on the
::: side wall). It's a brand new Kelvar belted tire, too.
:::
::: Is this tire toast now?
::
:: Toast, unless the hole is tiny, less than 1mm. And even then I'd be
:: looking to replace it pretty soon.

The hole is about 5 mm long overall, with 3mm of that being along the center
axis of the tire and the rest at a 45 deg angle toward one side.

Although you can probably get away with booting it in that area, and
might further extend its utility via a little reinforcement by sewing,
I'd replace it and ride with fewer worries.
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"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Yesterday I got a flat due to a sharp piece of metal in the road. There is
a hole in the tire along the outer perimeter (not on the side wall). It's
a brand new Kelvar belted tire, too.

Is this tire toast now?

Same tire but somebody knifed the sidewall. I covered it with a dime and
duck tape. Works beautifully. Then the bike got stolen a month later.
Geez Louise.

thank-you

:: I had the same thing happen to a brand new panaracer kevlar belted
:: tire. I just put a piece of duct tape on the inside of the tire. I
:: haven't had any problems with it yet.
::

this did not work for me. try the dime also. My tires were panaracer
pansela 100psi.

"nash" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:L%N3h.265496$1T2.194655
@pd7urf2no:

Quoted message said:

:: I had the same thing happen to a brand new panaracer kevlar belted
:: tire. I just put a piece of duct tape on the inside of the tire. I
:: haven't had any problems with it yet.
::

this did not work for me. try the dime also. My tires were panaracer
pansela 100psi.

I'm curious. So how did the duct tape boot fail to work?

"BGH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"nash" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:L%N3h.265496$1T2.194655
@pd7urf2no:

Quoted message said:

:: I had the same thing happen to a brand new panaracer kevlar belted
:: tire. I just put a piece of duct tape on the inside of the tire. I
:: haven't had any problems with it yet.
::

this did not work for me. try the dime also. My tires were panaracer
pansela 100psi.

I'm curious. So how did the duct tape boot fail to work?

Glad you asked For me anyway the tube pressure still protruded the tube
outside . Hole size was pen knife size. I would have used a quarter but it
would be too big for the narrow tires I use.