Flat bar shifter/lever for cantilever

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I want to occasionally put flat bars on my cross bike. 9
speed xt in back with Avid Shorty 4 cantilevers. Sugino
26/36/46 triple w/105 derailleur in front. Which Shimano
shifter/levers will work with the Shortys? Will I have to
go to a separate lever and shifter set? Will I have to
change my front derailleur?

Are you trying to get integrated shifters on your flat bars?
I don't think that will work at all. If that's not what
you're doing, then please explain further.

Pretty much any brifters in Shimano's line from Tiagra on up
would work fine with your setup on the drop bars; it's
practically identical to what's on my tourer.

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Bill said:

I want to occasionally put flat bars on my cross bike. 9
speed xt in back with Avid Shorty 4 cantilevers. Sugino
26/36/46 triple w/105 derailleur in front. Which Shimano
shifter/levers will work with the Shortys?

There is no Shimano straight bar combined lever in 9-speed
that is compatible with those calipers.

Quoted message said:

Will I have to go to a separate lever and shifter set?

Yes. We have some unusually nice Ritchey brake levers
on special:

sheldonbrown.combrakes.htmlOpen ↗

Quoted message said:

Will I have to change my front derailleur?

If you go with an indexed front shifter, there is no
straight-bar unit that will index properly with the 105
front derailer.

You might want to consider GripShift for this application.

Quoted message said:

My hope is I can set up the bar with stem attached and
then to change all I have to do is attach the stem thread
and adjust the cables and roll out the door.

Adjusting the cables will be quite time consuming. Might
want to go with quick-release connectors for the gear
cables. We've got some nice Rohloff QRs for this, see:
sheldonbrown.comrohloffOpen ↗

Note that this won't work if your bike's housing stops are
braze-ons that encircle the cable, but if your bike has DT
shifter bosses with bolt-on housing-stop adaptors, you can
get a separate set of housing stop adaptors for each
handlebar set, thus be able to swap out the whole system
without needing to readjust your shift cables.

If your frame has slotted cable stops for the rear brake,
you can replace the Avid "link wire" with a traditional
yoke and separate transverse cable. This would allow you
to just unhook whole the brake cable with no need to
readjust anything.

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In article <G3akc.2254$Xj6.32870@bgtnsc04-
news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, [email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

I want to occasionally put flat bars on my cross bike. 9
speed xt in

back

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

with Avid Shorty 4 cantilevers. Sugino 26/36/46 triple
w/105 derailleur

in

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

front. Which Shimano shifter/levers will work with the
Shortys? Will I

have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to go to a separate lever and shifter set? Will I have
to change my

front

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

derailleur?

Are you trying to get integrated shifters on your flat
bars? I don't think that will work at all. If that's not
what you're doing, then please explain further.

Pretty much any brifters in Shimano's line from Tiagra on
up would work fine with your setup on the drop bars; it's
practically identical to what's on my tourer.

I have drop bars now. I want to set up a flat bar
configuration I can interchange at will. Integrated would be
nice but I'll do separates if necessary. My concern is a
brake lever that will work with the Avid Shorty cantilevers
and ideally a shifter that will work with the 105 triple
front derailleur.

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Quoted message said:

Bill said:

I want to occasionally put flat bars on my cross bike. 9
speed xt in

back

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

with Avid Shorty 4 cantilevers. Sugino 26/36/46 triple
w/105 derailleur

in

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

front. Which Shimano shifter/levers will work with the
Shortys?

There is no Shimano straight bar combined lever in 9-speed
that is compatible with those calipers.

Quoted message said:

Will I have to go to a separate lever and shifter set?

Yes. We have some unusually nice Ritchey brake levers on
special:

sheldonbrown.combrakes.htmlOpen ↗

Quoted message said:

Will I have to change my front derailleur?

If you go with an indexed front shifter, there is no straight-
bar unit that will index properly with the 105 front
derailer.

You might want to consider GripShift for this application.

Quoted message said:

My hope is I can set up the bar with stem attached and
then to change

all I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

have to do is attach the stem thread and adjust the
cables and roll out

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

door.

Adjusting the cables will be quite time consuming. Might
want to go with quick-release connectors for the gear
cables. We've got some nice Rohloff QRs for this, see:
sheldonbrown.comrohloffOpen ↗

Note that this won't work if your bike's housing stops are
braze-ons that encircle the cable, but if your bike has DT
shifter bosses with bolt-on housing-stop adaptors, you can
get a separate set of housing stop adaptors for each
handlebar set, thus be able to swap out the whole system
without needing to readjust your shift cables.

If your frame has slotted cable stops for the rear brake,
you can replace the Avid "link wire" with a traditional
yoke and separate transverse cable. This would allow you
to just unhook whole the brake cable with no need to
readjust anything.

Sheldon "Versatility" Brown +--------------------------------------------------------
----------+

Sheldon, thanks for the info. I would consider gripshift. I
don't mind adjusting the cables. I'll leave the wires and
front housing attached and just feed them through the rear
and adjust. This is an occasional/experiment kind of a
thing, which gripshift model would index the triple 105 in
front and the 9 speed xt rear? Inexpensive low end is better
for this application. Bill

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Quoted message said:

Bill said:

I want to occasionally put flat bars on my cross bike. 9
speed xt in back with Avid Shorty 4 cantilevers. Sugino
26/36/46 triple w/105 derailleur in front.

I plied again:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If you go with an indexed front shifter, there is no straight-
bar unit that will index properly with the 105 front
derailer.

You might want to consider GripShift for this application.

Sheldon, thanks for the info. I would consider gripshift.
I don't mind adjusting the cables. I'll leave the wires
and front housing attached and just feed them through the
rear and adjust. This is an occasional/experiment kind of
a thing, which gripshift model would index the triple 105
in front and the 9 speed xt rear? Inexpensive low end is
better for this application.

harriscyclery.netpage.cfmOpen ↗

The real low end models don't support 9-speed.

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Worldwide captainbike.comcaptainbike.comOpen ↗ sheldonbrown.comsheldonbrown.comOpen ↗

In article <[email hidden]>,
Sheldon Brown <[email hidden]> wrote:

[flat bars]

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You might want to consider GripShift for this
application.

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harriscyclery.netpage.cfmOpen ↗
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The real low end models don't support 9-speed.

Sheldon "Grifters" Brown

That should be "Grifteurs", in keeping with the "derailleur"
and "brifteur" conventions.

Frenchifying the language, one word at a time,
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Mazzoleni Fan Club

"Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I want to occasionally put flat bars on my cross bike. 9
speed xt in back with Avid Shorty 4 cantilevers. Sugino
26/36/46 triple w/105 derailleur in front. Which Shimano
shifter/levers will work with the Shortys? Will I

have

Quoted message said:

to go to a separate lever and shifter set? Will I have to
change my front derailleur?

My hope is I can set up the bar with stem attached and
then to change all

I

Quoted message said:

have to do is attach the stem thread and adjust the cables
and roll out

the

Quoted message said:

door. Thanks, Bill

Nashbar has some Dia Compe cantilever brake levers pretty
cheap ($14.95). See tinyurl.com3avl4Open ↗. I've been
using a similar Dia Compe set w/ cantilever brakes, and they
work just fine.

Da Vinci tandems also makes some nice cable splitters if you
decide to go that route
(davincitandems.comcomp.htmlOpen ↗).

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In article <G3akc.2254$Xj6.32870@bgtnsc04-
news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, [email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

I want to occasionally put flat bars on my cross bike.
9 speed xt in

back

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

with Avid Shorty 4 cantilevers. Sugino 26/36/46 triple
w/105 derailleur

in

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

front. Which Shimano shifter/levers will work with the
Shortys? Will I

have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to go to a separate lever and shifter set? Will I have
to change my

front

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

derailleur?

Are you trying to get integrated shifters on your flat
bars? I don't think that will work at all. If that's not
what you're doing, then please explain further.

Pretty much any brifters in Shimano's line from Tiagra on
up would work fine with your setup on the drop bars; it's
practically identical to what's on my tourer.

Quoted message said:

I have drop bars now. I want to set up a flat bar
configuration I can interchange at will. Integrated would
be nice but I'll do separates if necessary. My concern is a
brake lever that will work with the Avid Shorty cantilevers
and ideally a shifter that will work with the 105 triple
front derailleur.

_ I've set this up on my Cross Check. Here's my parts lists.

1. Cable splitter for the Deraillers cables. Look for this
at a shop that deals with Tandem or SS coupler bikes.
You'll need two sets ( $$ ).

2. Extra saddles for Cantilevers. If your cantilevers don't
have seperate straddle wires, convert them and get the
saddles that just clip on the wire.

3. Paul Thumbies ( cheap at bikeman.com right now ).

4. Bar end shifter to go on Thumbies.

( For 3/4 you can use friction thumb shifters if you can
find them. Old Deores are good. ).

5. Really nice Ritchey Brake levers from Harris cyclery.
These are setup for cantilevers, not V-brakes and look
great to boot.

sheldonbrown.combrakes.htmlOpen ↗

6. Extra cables and housing. You'll likely need at least
two shift cables to get the splitter right. That takes a
fair bit of tweaking and you have to cut it to see if
you got it right.

_ With this setup I can switch bars in about 5 minutes or
less. The good part about all this is that it requires no
readjusting of brakes or shift cables. Once you get it all
set up and working it's very fast to switch.

_ Booker C. Bense

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