Flashing LEDs - again

Tony Raven said:

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Pah, feeble. You really need niterider.combike taillight02.htmlOpen ↗. They get
real respect!

Only 16 LEDs? Pathetic! The RealLITE has 18! And it's visible a mile away in daylight. Allegedly.
It's certainly intercoursingly bright!

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Chris Bardell said:

<CYNIC>Do they think I'm a motorbike at first glance, and hence a "legit road user", and therefore
dip their lights?</CYNIC>

I can believe this after (on a completely dark stretch of road) approaching a cager who dipped his
lights at first sight of my twin headlights approaching, but stuck them back on full beam when
closer - close enough to tell I wasn't a motorcycle, perhaps?
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"Ian Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Thu, it had previously written

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Who do you believe regarding your visibility - your own prejudices or the actual experiences
of motorists?

Personally, I believe my own actual experience, as a motorisat and a cyclist.

Incidently, does it not occur to you that sometimes a cyclist might (shock!) see another
cyclist, and even were they not also a motorist would be well aware of what various lights
setups look like on teh road.

Did I say that cyclists don't drive? Don't read more than I have written.

Your post contrasts the experience of cyclists with the experience of motorists. This is rational
only if you consider the groups to be exclusive.

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I don't have foglights or prejudices.

Moron.

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Tony Raven said:

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Pah, feeble. You really need niterider.combike taillight02.htmlOpen ↗. They get
real respect!

Only 16 LEDs? Pathetic! The RealLITE has 18! And it's visible a mile away in daylight. Allegedly.
It's certainly intercoursingly bright!

Pinch of salt there, I'd say.

IIRC you need 1000 candela for a 1 (nautical) mile daylight visibility, assuming (mumbme mumble) of
background illumination.

Tim
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Tim Hall said:

Pinch of salt there, I'd say.

IIRC you need 1000 candela for a 1 (nautical) mile daylight visibility, assuming (mumbme mumble)
of background illumination.

They just omitted to say you needed a good pair of binoculars to see it ;-)

Tony

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"chris French" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I don't think it coincidence that he was using a front flashing light as his sole light. (and
seemed to be one of the newer ones of decent brightness, not one of these feeble jobbies.) I can
only assume that against the background of many headlights, reflections from the body work of cars
etc. in the rain and on the car window his flashing light just did not stand out at all. It was
only when he came near enough to be seen as a cyclist that I seemed to spot him.

Which is exactly why I believe powerful front lights are needed. The front light has to compete
against a backdrop of headlights, street lights etc and has a hard enough time doing so, add some
rain and it gets worse. Rear lights don't suffer so much especially if high vis clothing or good
reflectors are used because headlights do a decent job of picking up cyclists, assuming they're
not in stealth mode. IMHO as a cager and cyclist high vis reflective gear is a great asset, as
noted by Dave.

Although I rarely cycle in the dark now when I used to do so regularly I used a large diameter
rechargeable 6w halogen front backed up with a 2.4 Cateye job and 2 multi led rears, both steady but
I would now set one on flashing as I think it's a good idea. I also used plenty of reflective stuff.
I rarely had a problem, certainly no more so than in daylight.

My 10p, Pete

Peter B said:

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I don't think it coincidence that he was using a front flashing light as his sole light. [....] I
can only assume that against the background of many headlights, reflections from the body work of
cars etc. in the rain and on the car window his flashing light just did not stand out at all.

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Which is exactly why I believe powerful front lights are needed. The front light has to compete
against a backdrop of headlights, street lights etc and has a hard enough time doing so, add some
rain and it gets worse.

Where there are street lights no cycle light less than a Stadium 3 can really compete - but it
doesn't have to, because with street lights the cyclist is lit up. Assuming one is not wearing
Stealth Cycling gear, the large lump of cyclist with the fluorescent jacket is likely to be more
visible than the small spot of light.

I use dynamo lights. These are not humungously bright, but they work and they are legal - and the
battrries never run down.

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IMHO as a cager and cyclist high vis reflective gear is a great asset, as noted by Dave.

Absolutely. And reflective materials on the bike, making sure that you have at least one BS grade
reflector where the lights are going to hit (on the back of the back mudguard is actually a very
good spot).

And now I'm going to get my new SON built into the wheel of my 'bent
:-)

Guy
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PDannyD said:

Who do you believe regarding your visibility - your own prejudices or the actual experiences of
motorists?

I had to go for several years without being able to cycle on a regular basis, particularly in
the winter, because of my work situation. During that time, bicycle LEDs hit the scene. I will
never forget how impressed I was the first time I saw a cyclist with flashing red lights: stuck
out a mile.
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