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  1. 1974 Raleigh Sport. Right-side fixed BB cup. I don't need to
    remove it, but I don't want it to defeat me either.

    I tried drilling partial holes in the cup for a pin spanner,
    but the cup is very well hardened.

    To try a bench vise, I'd have to remove the vise and mount
    it somewhere farther from the wall...

    Per sheldonbrown.combbcups.html the nut-washers-
    bolt tool like sheldonbrown.combbtool
    bolt.jpg tightens real good on the bike, but with _lots_ of
    torque, continues only to tighten to itself, never turning
    the BB cup. It's probably a
    1/2" bolt, with a single flat washer on each side.

    Which direction is this cup threaded? Are there any other
    tricks for removing it?
    --
    Rick "Maybe a BFH" Onanian

  2. Rick Onanian said:

    1974 Raleigh Sport.

    That's "Sports" not "Sport."

    Quoted message said:

    Right-side fixed BB cup. I don't need to remove it, but I
    don't want it to defeat me either.

    I tried drilling partial holes in the cup for a pin
    spanner, but the cup is very well hardened.

    To try a bench vise, I'd have to remove the vise and mount
    it somewhere farther from the wall...

    Per sheldonbrown.combbcups.html the nut-washers-
    bolt tool like sheldonbrown.combbtool
    bolt.jpg tightens real good on the bike, but with _lots_
    of torque, continues only to tighten to itself, never
    turning the BB cup. It's probably a
    1/2" bolt, with a single flat washer on each side.

    That may not be strong enough, these are in there really
    tight. The fixed cup is not intended to be removed for
    maintenance, only for the rare occasions when replacement
    is needed.

    Quoted message said:

    Which direction is this cup threaded? Are there any other
    tricks for removing it?

    That's a left thread. Removing it by tightening the nut on
    the outside of the bottom bracket, if you're using the bolt
    trick as illustrated.

    See: sheldonbrown.comgloss bo z.html for
    the BB specs.

    Sheldon "Nottingham" Brown +--------------------------------------------------------
    +
    | One man's theology is another man's belly laugh. | --
    | Robert A. Heinlein |
    +--------------------------------------------------------+
    Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone 617-244-
    9772 FAX 617-244-1041 harriscyclery.comharriscyclery.com Hard-to-find
    parts shipped Worldwide captainbike.comcaptainbike.com
    sheldonbrown.comsheldonbrown.com

  3. Rick Onanian said:

    1974 Raleigh Sport. Right-side fixed BB cup. I don't need
    to remove it, but I don't want it to defeat me either.

    I tried drilling partial holes in the cup for a pin
    spanner, but the cup is very well hardened.

    To try a bench vise, I'd have to remove the vise and mount
    it somewhere farther from the wall...

    Quoted message said:

    Which direction is this cup threaded? Are there any other
    tricks for removing it?

    A proper fixed cup spanner has always worked for me, but I
    expect they're getting hard to find in these days of Shimano
    BBs. I'd offer to give you mine, but it's got my 15mm pedal
    spanner on the other end!

    It's a LH thread by the way, so you must turn clockwise.

  4. Rick Onanian <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    1974 Raleigh Sport. Right-side fixed BB cup. I don't need
    to remove it, but I don't want it to defeat me either.

    I tried drilling partial holes in the cup for a pin
    spanner, but the cup is very well hardened.

    To try a bench vise, I'd have to remove the vise and mount
    it somewhere farther from the wall...

    [snip non-vise material]

    Dear Rick,

    You lucky devil! This sounds like a perfect opportunity to
    invest in one of these vises, which rotate in two planes:

    harborfreight.comDisplayitem.taf
    number=5655

    It's a bit like a bicycle workstand.

    Mount it on the corner of a workbench, and little will
    defeat it. I bought mine a few years ago when my old vise
    mistook me for Chalo Colina and broke. Couldn't be happier.

    Viciously,

    Carl Fogel

    Harbor Freight often puts it on sale for $10 less.

  5. Rick Onanian said:


    Quoted message said:

    1974 Raleigh Sport. Right-side fixed BB cup. I don't need
    to remove it, but I don't want it to defeat me either.

    I tried drilling partial holes in the cup for a pin
    spanner, but the cup is very well hardened.

    To try a bench vise, I'd have to remove the vise and
    mount it somewhere farther from the wall...

    Quoted message said:

    Which direction is this cup threaded? Are there any other
    tricks for removing it?



    I already answered this in an earlier posting.

    Zog The Undeniable said:

    A proper fixed cup spanner has always worked for me, but I
    expect they're getting hard to find in these days of
    Shimano BBs. I'd offer to give you mine, but it's got my
    15mm pedal spanner on the other end!

    Those won't fit Rick's Raleigh 26 TPI cups, because they
    don't have the protruding lip with 36 mm flats of a standard
    fixed cup.

    Instead, the face of the cup has a raised ridge 5/8" (16
    mm) wide by
    1/16" (1.6 mm) tall. There's probably a special tool for
    this buried in the rubble of what used to be the largest
    bicycle factory in the world, in Nottingham, but I've
    never seen one.

    Small hand wrenches exist for this, such as the Park HCW-
    11, but they are not sufficiently manly to work on the
    fixed cups.

    See: parktool.comHCW 11BIG.shtml

    Sheldon "Big Bolt" Brown +----------------------------------------------------
    ---------+
    | If brute force doesn't work, you're not using enough! |
    | --BOB Simon |
    +-----------------------------------------------------------
    --+ Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone 617-244-
    9772 FAX 617-244-1041 harriscyclery.comharriscyclery.com Hard-to-find
    parts shipped Worldwide captainbike.comcaptainbike.com
    sheldonbrown.comsheldonbrown.com

  6. Carl Fogel said:

    Dear Rick,

    You lucky devil! This sounds like a perfect opportunity to
    invest in one of these vises, which rotate in two planes:

    harborfreight.comDisplayitem.taf
    emnumber=5655

    It's a bit like a bicycle workstand.

    Mount it on the corner of a workbench, and little will
    defeat it. I bought mine a few years ago when my old vise
    mistook me for Chalo Colina and broke. Couldn't be
    happier.

    Ooooh, I've got one of these, but my previous source doesn't
    have them anymore. Delighted to find a new source.

    This is a wonderful piece of Stalinist machinery...no great
    precision, not really high quality but LOTS and LOTS of
    metal to make up for it.

    I just love mine, and the hex jaws are perfect for holding a
    freewheel puller (I did have to drill out the area under
    those jaws for axle clearance though.)

    Be prepared that the freight may cost as much as the vise,
    but it's still a fabulous value.

    Sheldon "Solidity" Brown +-----------------------------------------------
    +
    | I don't need instructions, I have a hammer. | --
    | T.W. Wier |
    +-----------------------------------------------+ BOB
    11/9/98, 7/22/01, 3/8/02 Classic 1/25/02 CRW 10/19/97
    2/26/04 RBM Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone
    617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041 harriscyclery.comharriscyclery.com Hard-to-
    find parts shipped Worldwide captainbike.comcaptainbike.com
    sheldonbrown.comsheldonbrown.com

  7. On 19 Mar 2004 12:16:51 -0800, [email hidden] (Carl Fogel)

    Quoted message said:

    You lucky devil! This sounds like a perfect opportunity to
    invest in one of these vises, which rotate in two planes:

    harborfreight.comDisplayitem.taf
    mnumber=5655

    Viciously, Carl Fogel

    Thanks a lot...now I've gone and gotten drool all over
    my keyboard.
    --
    Rick Onanian

  8. <SNIP>
    Carl Fogel posted:
    "invest in one of these vises, which rotate in two planes:
    http://www.harborfreight.com ..... Item number 5655
    It's a bit like a bicycle workstand.

    Mount it on the corner of a workbench, and little will
    defeat it. I bought mine a few years ago when my old vise mistook me for Chalo Colina and broke. Couldn't be
    happier."
    ____________________________________________________
    Then Sheldon chimed in:

    " Ooooh, I've got one of these, but my previous source doesn't
    have them anymore. Delighted to find a new source.

    This is a wonderful piece of Stalinist machinery...no great
    precision, not really high quality but LOTS and LOTS of
    metal to make up for it.

    I just love mine, and the hex jaws are perfect for holding a
    freewheel puller (I did have to drill out the area under
    those jaws for axle clearance though.)

    Be prepared that the freight may cost as much as the vise,
    but it's still a fabulous value."

    Sheldon "Solidity" Brown +-----------------------------------------------
    <SNIP>

    Harbor Freight has interesting ways of doing business. Pay less freight as you buy more. You don't pay more than an handling feee when your order is $50 or more. Since the vice is $49+.... just order something else you want and shipping is NADA

    I feel like "Tim the tool man"
    ...grunt .... grunt.... grunt.... well, you get the idea

  9. Sheldon Brown said:
    Rick Onanian said:

    1974 Raleigh Sport.


    That's "Sports" not "Sport."

    I stand corrected.

    Quoted message said:

    That may not be strong enough, these are in there really
    tight. The fixed cup is not intended to be removed for
    maintenance, only for the rare occasions when replacement
    is needed.

    I ended up adding two additional washers on the nut side,
    and it was sufficient. Once again, I forgot to measure the
    bolt before posting, but it's head and nut are 9/16"; so in
    fact, it's shank is 3/8".

    With the extra washers, removal required lots of torque, but
    was successful -- apparently without damaging anything other
    than washers.

    Now that I've conquered it...anybody want a dark green
    mixte 1974 Raleigh Sports frame? It was picked up for me at
    a yard sale, for me to scavenge the hub and a couple other
    items. I don't intend to use the frame. I will, of course,
    be happy to put the cups back in now that I've shown them
    who's boss...

    It looks much like
    i4.ebayimg.come0 1 b.JPG but is not
    nearly as clean or shiny.

    Quoted message said:

    +--------------------------------------------------------+
    | One man's theology is another man's belly laugh. | --
    | Robert A. Heinlein |
    +--------------------------------------------------------+

    You can't go wrong quoting Heinlein at me.
    --
    Rick Onanian

  10. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by daveornee
    <SNIP>
    Carl Fogel posted:
    "invest in one of these vises, which rotate in two planes:
    http://www.harborfreight.com ..... Item number 5655
    It's a bit like a bicycle workstand.

    Mount it on the corner of a workbench, and little will
    defeat it. I bought mine a few years ago when my old vise mistook me for Chalo Colina and broke. Couldn't be
    happier."
    ____________________________________________________
    Then Sheldon chimed in:

    " Ooooh, I've got one of these, but my previous source doesn't
    have them anymore. Delighted to find a new source.

    This is a wonderful piece of Stalinist machinery...no great
    precision, not really high quality but LOTS and LOTS of
    metal to make up for it.

    I just love mine, and the hex jaws are perfect for holding a
    freewheel puller (I did have to drill out the area under
    those jaws for axle clearance though.)

    Be prepared that the freight may cost as much as the vise,
    but it's still a fabulous value."

    Sheldon "Solidity" Brown +-----------------------------------------------
    <SNIP>


    Harbor Freight has interesting ways of doing business. Pay less freight as you buy more. You don't pay more than an handling feee when your order is $50 or more. Since the vice is $49+.... just order something else you want and shipping is NADA

    I feel like "Tim the tool man"
    ...grunt .... grunt.... grunt.... well, you get the idea

    Dear Sheldon and Dave,

    Like Leona, self-absorbed and undeservedly
    fortunate people like me tend to forget you
    little people, who pay freight charges, taxes,
    and so forth.

    You see, my Harbor Freight store is less than
    five minutes away, closer than the grocery store.

    Oh, dear, I just looked--no Harbor Freight stores
    in all of Massachusetts. None in Western Springs,
    Illinois, either.

    (Pause for unseemly gloating.)

    What it makes it all the sweeter is that Pueblo's
    Harbor Freight took over the site of King Lumber,
    an alleged hardware store whose outrages still
    cause my blood pressure to rise.

    ("Sorry, we can't sell you that dusty garage door
    spring that you spent half an hour finding because
    it hasn't been inventoried yet--come back next
    week."😉

    So even when Harbor Freight doesn't have what I'm
    looking for, I still get to enjoy a vengeful little dance
    on my way out over the grave of King Lumber.

    Carl Fogel

  11. Rick Onanian said:

    1974 Raleigh Sport. Right-side fixed BB cup. I don't need
    to remove it, but I don't want it to defeat me either.

    I tried drilling partial holes in the cup for a pin
    spanner, but the cup is very well hardened.

    To try a bench vise, I'd have to remove the vise and mount
    it somewhere farther from the wall...

    Per sheldonbrown.combbcups.html the
    nut-washers-bolt tool like sheldonbrown.combbtool
    bolt.jpg tightens real good on the bike, but with _lots_
    of torque, continues only to tighten to itself, never
    turning the BB cup. It's probably a
    1/2" bolt, with a single flat washer on each side.

    Which direction is this cup threaded? Are there any other
    tricks for removing it?
    --
    Rick "Maybe a BFH" Onanian

    The Raleigh Sports in 1974 has a painted-in right cup . The
    lip is small and the cup was mounted before the frame was
    painted. The cup has 16mm=5/8" flats. Raleigh's tool bolts
    through the BB holding the cup firmly from both sides and is
    driven from its 1-1/8" wrench flats.

    So use a BFW not a BFH. It removes clockwise, 1.370x26tpi

    (When using a vise, hang the frame out from the workbench,
    swing a small arc and reposition.)
    --
    Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1
    April, 1971

  12. On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 02:31:48 +0000, carlfogel wrote:

    To get back to the question (even though that is a nice
    vice), Rick: you definitely need some sort of vice for
    this. The Raleigh, one would hope, would have English
    threads (stands to reason), which means that cup has left-
    hand threads.

    --

    David L. Johnson

    __o | ...nor shall any state deprive any person of life,
    liberty, or _`\(,_ | property, without due process of
    law; nor deny to any person (_)/ (_) | within its
    jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. --
    Fourteenth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution.

  13. David L. Johnson said:

    To get back to the question (even though that is a nice
    vice), Rick: you definitely need some sort of vice for
    this. The Raleigh, one would hope, would have English
    threads (stands to reason), which means that cup has left-
    hand threads.

    I think we should leave such legal sins for the vice squad,
    while we use a vise in the shop to loosen right hand BB
    cup... all the while noticing whether it has a right or left
    hand thread. Watching for this helps enormously.

    Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

  14. David L. Johnson said:

    To get back to the question (even though that is a nice
    vice), Rick: you definitely need some sort of vice for
    this. The Raleigh, one would hope, would have English
    threads (stands to reason), which means that cup has left-
    hand threads.


    The proper tool bolts through the frame and is driven with a
    1-1/8" wrench. No vise.

    --
    Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1
    April, 1971

  15. A Muzi <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    David L. Johnson said:

    To get back to the question (even though that is a nice
    vice), Rick: you definitely need some sort of vice for
    this. The Raleigh, one would hope, would have English
    threads (stands to reason), which means that cup has left-
    hand threads.


    The proper tool bolts through the frame and is driven with
    a 1-1/8" wrench. No vise.

    And use a "heavy" hammer to tap the wrench end to loosen. If
    that doesn't work, I will not bad mouth Campy again, oh.

  16. Quoted message said:

    I think we should leave such legal sins for the vice
    squad, while we use a vise in the shop to loosen right
    hand BB cup...

    In American English, sure, but over here it's a vice.
    --
    David Damerell <[email hidden]> Kill
    the tomato!

  17. David Damerell said:
    Quoted message said:

    I think we should leave such legal sins for the vice
    squad, while we use a vise in the shop to loosen right
    hand BB cup...

    In American English, sure, but over here it's a vice.

    Therefore, moral Englishmen use cartridge bottom
    brackets. 😉

    --
    Tom Sherman - Quad Cities (Illinois Side)

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