Fit Day question

There are all kinds of measurements under every food, click on the arrow
that lets the drop down list show. I don't even see what you are
describing, I see things like oz, boneless, cooked or small, medium or large
wing, etc.

In news:[email hidden],
Jason Brooks <[email hidden]> stated
| When I look up chicken wings, thighs, breast etc., it says (chicken
| part) from a 1 pound chicken. Who in hell eats one pound chickens?

FOB said:

There are all kinds of measurements under every food, click on the arrow
that lets the drop down list show. I don't even see what you are
describing, I see things like oz, boneless, cooked or small, medium or large
wing, etc.

In news:[email hidden],
Jason Brooks <[email hidden]> stated
| When I look up chicken wings, thighs, breast etc., it says (chicken
| part) from a 1 pound chicken. Who in hell eats one pound chickens?

Look up chicken wing fried.

Jason Brooks <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> FOB wrote:
:>
:>> There are all kinds of measurements under every food, click on the
:>> arrow that lets the drop down list show. I don't even see what you
:>> are describing, I see things like oz, boneless, cooked or small,
:>> medium or large wing, etc.
:>>
:>> In news:[email hidden],
:>> Jason Brooks <[email hidden]> stated
:>> | When I look up chicken wings, thighs, breast etc., it says
:>> | (chicken
:>> | part) from a 1 pound chicken. Who in hell eats one pound chickens?
:>>
:>>
:> Look up chicken wing fried.

The only things you can do is find some other entry for chicken wings that
lets you enter quantities you prefer, or do some math to convert your
serving size to some fraction of 1 lb of chicken.

Okay, I see the difference. You are using the online version, I have the
downloaded version which I think is much nicer.

In news:[email hidden],
Jason Brooks <[email hidden]> stated
| FOB wrote:
|
|| There are all kinds of measurements under every food, click on the
|| arrow that lets the drop down list show. I don't even see what you
|| are describing, I see things like oz, boneless, cooked or small,
|| medium or large wing, etc.
||
|| In news:[email hidden],
|| Jason Brooks <[email hidden]> stated
||| When I look up chicken wings, thighs, breast etc., it says (chicken
||| part) from a 1 pound chicken. Who in hell eats one pound chickens?
||
||
| Look up chicken wing fried.

"FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Okay, I see the difference. You are using the online version, I have the
downloaded version which I think is much nicer.

In news:[email hidden],
Jason Brooks <[email hidden]> stated
| FOB wrote:
|
|| There are all kinds of measurements under every food, click on the
|| arrow that lets the drop down list show. I don't even see what you
|| are describing, I see things like oz, boneless, cooked or small,
|| medium or large wing, etc.
||
|| In news:[email hidden],
|| Jason Brooks <[email hidden]> stated
||| When I look up chicken wings, thighs, breast etc., it says (chicken
||| part) from a 1 pound chicken. Who in hell eats one pound chickens?
||
||
| Look up chicken wing fried.

Same here...I'm using the downloaded version, and when I enter "chicken," I
get a list of about 30 possibilities (wing, breast, thigh, etc.). You can
also choose with skin or skinless, along with various cooking styles.
Several measurements are possible for each (oz., medium, large, etc.).
Finally, you can enter whole units or part of a unit -- for example, select
oz. and then enter 3 or select large and then enter .5 (note the decimal
point).

I think you would like the program much better if you download it onto your
hard disk. You then also have the advantage of maintaining control over
your own records. For example, I keep a backup copy on a separate disk.

MaryL

MaryL wrote:
:: "FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
::: Okay, I see the difference. You are using the online version, I
::: have the downloaded version which I think is much nicer.
:::
::: In news:[email hidden],
::: Jason Brooks <[email hidden]> stated
:::: FOB wrote:
::::
::::: There are all kinds of measurements under every food, click on the
::::: arrow that lets the drop down list show. I don't even see what
::::: you are describing, I see things like oz, boneless, cooked or
::::: small, medium or large wing, etc.
:::::
::::: In news:[email hidden],
::::: Jason Brooks <[email hidden]> stated
:::::: When I look up chicken wings, thighs, breast etc., it says
:::::: (chicken part) from a 1 pound chicken. Who in hell eats one
:::::: pound chickens?
:::::
:::::
:::: Look up chicken wing fried.
:::
:::
::
:: Same here...I'm using the downloaded version, and when I enter
:: "chicken," I get a list of about 30 possibilities (wing, breast,
:: thigh, etc.). You can also choose with skin or skinless, along with
:: various cooking styles. Several measurements are possible for each
:: (oz., medium, large, etc.). Finally, you can enter whole units or
:: part of a unit -- for example, select oz. and then enter 3 or select
:: large and then enter .5 (note the decimal point).
::
:: I think you would like the program much better if you download it
:: onto your hard disk. You then also have the advantage of
:: maintaining control over your own records. For example, I keep a
:: backup copy on a separate disk.
::

It really does sound like a nice program. My only problem with it is that
you have to carry the database around if you use multiple PCs or travel.
I'd gladly pay a fee if they added all the features of the PC version to the
online version so I could use the online version anywhere. Of course, being
able to download/upload my database to my PC would also be a nice
feature...download/upload to the online version from the PC version would
make it a go anywhere, use anywhere solution that I'd be willing to pay
money for.

:: MaryL

Jason Brooks said:

Who in hell eats one pound chickens?

Rock cornish game hens. Wonderful roasted, baked, rotesserie, you name
it.
A one-pounder works a lot better for two than it does for one!

Doug Freyburger said:

Jason Brooks said:

Who in hell eats one pound chickens?

Rock cornish game hens. Wonderful roasted, baked, rotesserie, you name
it.
A one-pounder works a lot better for two than it does for one!

I was going to mention cornish hens being the only thing that resembles
a 1 pound chicken but I didn't because they are not a regular chicken. A
1 pound chicken would still be a baby. Another small bird would be a
squab (pigeon).

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

MaryL wrote:
:: "FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
::: Okay, I see the difference. You are using the online version, I
::: have the downloaded version which I think is much nicer.
:::
::: In news:[email hidden],
::: Jason Brooks <[email hidden]> stated
:::: FOB wrote:
::::
::::: There are all kinds of measurements under every food, click on the
::::: arrow that lets the drop down list show. I don't even see what
::::: you are describing, I see things like oz, boneless, cooked or
::::: small, medium or large wing, etc.
:::::
::::: In news:[email hidden],
::::: Jason Brooks <[email hidden]> stated
:::::: When I look up chicken wings, thighs, breast etc., it says
:::::: (chicken part) from a 1 pound chicken. Who in hell eats one
:::::: pound chickens?
:::::
:::::
:::: Look up chicken wing fried.
:::
:::
::
:: Same here...I'm using the downloaded version, and when I enter
:: "chicken," I get a list of about 30 possibilities (wing, breast,
:: thigh, etc.). You can also choose with skin or skinless, along with
:: various cooking styles. Several measurements are possible for each
:: (oz., medium, large, etc.). Finally, you can enter whole units or
:: part of a unit -- for example, select oz. and then enter 3 or select
:: large and then enter .5 (note the decimal point).
::
:: I think you would like the program much better if you download it
:: onto your hard disk. You then also have the advantage of
:: maintaining control over your own records. For example, I keep a
:: backup copy on a separate disk.
::

It really does sound like a nice program. My only problem with it is that
you have to carry the database around if you use multiple PCs or travel.
I'd gladly pay a fee if they added all the features of the PC version to
the online version so I could use the online version anywhere. Of course,
being able to download/upload my database to my PC would also be a nice
feature...download/upload to the online version from the PC version would
make it a go anywhere, use anywhere solution that I'd be willing to pay
money for.

:: MaryL

I don't have quite the same needs as you, but I do sometimes travel with a
laptop. I downloaded the program to both my PC and my laptop. From time to
time (and especially if I am going to travel), I copy only the file that
contains backup information to the laptop -- and reverse it when I return
home. It's easy to do and has worked well.

MaryL

"Jason Brooks" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Doug Freyburger said:

Jason Brooks said:

Who in hell eats one pound chickens?

Rock cornish game hens. Wonderful roasted, baked, rotesserie, you name
it.
A one-pounder works a lot better for two than it does for one!

I was going to mention cornish hens being the only thing that resembles a
1 pound chicken but I didn't because they are not a regular chicken. A 1
pound chicken would still be a baby. Another small bird would be a squab
(pigeon).

Out of curiosity, I checked for cornish hen in the downloaded copy of FitDay
on my computer. Even for that, there are multiple options -- cooked,
roasted, skin eaten or not eaten, meat only, etc.

MaryL

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THE-LITTER says...

Quoted message said:

"Jason Brooks" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Doug Freyburger said:

Jason Brooks wrote:

>Who in hell eats one pound chickens?

Rock cornish game hens. Wonderful roasted, baked, rotesserie, you name
it.
A one-pounder works a lot better for two than it does for one!

I was going to mention cornish hens being the only thing that resembles a
1 pound chicken but I didn't because they are not a regular chicken. A 1
pound chicken would still be a baby. Another small bird would be a squab
(pigeon).

Out of curiosity, I checked for cornish hen in the downloaded copy of FitDay
on my computer. Even for that, there are multiple options -- cooked,
roasted, skin eaten or not eaten, meat only, etc.

I make my own spreadsheet, and any info I didn't initially get from
FitDay I get from the USDA Nutritional Database search tool. I
downloaded their tool and database and use it to look things up. It's
much more verbose, however, so you really need to have the patience and
tools to work with the info and know what you want to glean from it (for
instance, I don't really CARE how much niacin I'm getting from
something, but I DO care about the carbs, fiber, protein, fat and
sodium). Once I get the info for one ounce of whatever into my own
spreadsheet, it's just a simple matter of clicking on it and multiplying
it whenever I need to reference it. I do this with most of my packaged
products, too, taking note of how many grams are in whatever they
consider to be a serving, dividing the nutritional info by that number
of grams to get the info for a single gram, then multiplying THAT by 28
to get the 1-ounce info. Then I just keep the ounce info in the
spreadsheet and I don't have to go through all that math each time.

I have evolved my measuring to mostly ounces (28 grams if you are using
the USDA Nutritional Database), rather than cups or pieces, for just
about everything, including the really BIG batches of soups, stews, etc.
I have the info in my spreadsheet for, for instance, one ounce of
chicken dark meat, roasted with skin (I'm currently on a chicken thigh
kick). I cook up a mess of thighs, weigh the thigh or thighs I'm about
to eat, then afterward weigh the leftover bones and gristle so that I'm
only counting the actual meat I ate. I multiply the 1 ounce/28 grams
info by the amount of what I ate (4.2 oz, for instance) and, voila, I
have the info for JUST the amount I ate. FYI, I just recently (like
today) got the bright idea to weigh the meat AFTER I reheated it in the
microwave and discovered that it weighed .2 oz less after simply
reheating it for 3 minutes at 40% power, with no other variances. .2 oz
doesn't sound like much of a difference, but it could make a difference
when measuring bigger portions, so it's also something to keep in mind
as far as WHEN to measure.

NOTE: If I did not have quick access to a spreadsheet program and more
than a little knowledge of how to use it, I would NOT go to all this
trouble to account for my food intake :-) I'd probably just settle for
Fitday and grumble about it. I spell it out here so you know how I'm
getting the info and what I do with it just so you have an idea of
another approach to the same subject.

--
Saffire
205/129/125
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

*** This post originated in alt.support.diet.low-carb -- its appearance
in any other forum is deceptive and unauthorized. ***

I noticed there is a big difference in calories in the same item between
Fitday and the USDA Database.

Saffire said:

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THE-LITTER says...

Quoted message said:

"Jason Brooks" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Doug Freyburger wrote:

>Jason Brooks wrote:
>
>
>>Who in hell eats one pound chickens?
>
>
>Rock cornish game hens. Wonderful roasted, baked, rotesserie, you name
>it.
>A one-pounder works a lot better for two than it does for one!
>

I was going to mention cornish hens being the only thing that resembles a
1 pound chicken but I didn't because they are not a regular chicken. A 1
pound chicken would still be a baby. Another small bird would be a squab
(pigeon).

Out of curiosity, I checked for cornish hen in the downloaded copy of FitDay
on my computer. Even for that, there are multiple options -- cooked,
roasted, skin eaten or not eaten, meat only, etc.

I make my own spreadsheet, and any info I didn't initially get from
FitDay I get from the USDA Nutritional Database search tool. I
downloaded their tool and database and use it to look things up. It's
much more verbose, however, so you really need to have the patience and
tools to work with the info and know what you want to glean from it (for
instance, I don't really CARE how much niacin I'm getting from
something, but I DO care about the carbs, fiber, protein, fat and
sodium). Once I get the info for one ounce of whatever into my own
spreadsheet, it's just a simple matter of clicking on it and multiplying
it whenever I need to reference it. I do this with most of my packaged
products, too, taking note of how many grams are in whatever they
consider to be a serving, dividing the nutritional info by that number
of grams to get the info for a single gram, then multiplying THAT by 28
to get the 1-ounce info. Then I just keep the ounce info in the
spreadsheet and I don't have to go through all that math each time.

I have evolved my measuring to mostly ounces (28 grams if you are using
the USDA Nutritional Database), rather than cups or pieces, for just
about everything, including the really BIG batches of soups, stews, etc.
I have the info in my spreadsheet for, for instance, one ounce of
chicken dark meat, roasted with skin (I'm currently on a chicken thigh
kick). I cook up a mess of thighs, weigh the thigh or thighs I'm about
to eat, then afterward weigh the leftover bones and gristle so that I'm
only counting the actual meat I ate. I multiply the 1 ounce/28 grams
info by the amount of what I ate (4.2 oz, for instance) and, voila, I
have the info for JUST the amount I ate. FYI, I just recently (like
today) got the bright idea to weigh the meat AFTER I reheated it in the
microwave and discovered that it weighed .2 oz less after simply
reheating it for 3 minutes at 40% power, with no other variances. .2 oz
doesn't sound like much of a difference, but it could make a difference
when measuring bigger portions, so it's also something to keep in mind
as far as WHEN to measure.

NOTE: If I did not have quick access to a spreadsheet program and more
than a little knowledge of how to use it, I would NOT go to all this
trouble to account for my food intake :-) I'd probably just settle for
Fitday and grumble about it. I spell it out here so you know how I'm
getting the info and what I do with it just so you have an idea of
another approach to the same subject.

I noticed there is a big difference in calories in the same item between
Fitday and the USDA Database.

"Saffire" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <jjacf.129$0h5.33@dukeread10>, [email hidden]-
THE-LITTER says...

Quoted message said:

I make my own spreadsheet, and any info I didn't initially get from
FitDay I get from the USDA Nutritional Database search tool. >
--
Saffire
205/129/125
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

*** This post originated in alt.support.diet.low-carb -- its appearance
in any other forum is deceptive and unauthorized. ***

You can do this same thing with FitDay, if you wanted to combine the two
approaches. That is, you can enter new foods and and enter your own
nutritional information to go with it. Then you could call that food up
anytime it was needed. (At least, you can do it with the downloaded
version -- I haven't checked the online version.)

MaryL

Jason Brooks said:

I noticed there is a big difference in calories in the same item between
Fitday and the USDA Database.

That's because portions are inexact, cooking changes fiber into
digestible carb in addition to boiling off water and dripping off
fat, the list goes on.

"The man with one watch knows what time it is. The man with
several is never sure." Pick your favorite source and stick with
it, problem solved. The inaccuracies will tend to cancel themselves
out over time.

Roger Zoul said:

It really does sound like a nice program. My only problem with it is that
you have to carry the database around if you use multiple PCs or travel.

Roger, it is no different to using a contacts database or calendar among
multiple boxes. You sync the database at the same time as you sync your
other data.

I use Fitday one of two ways, on my desktop in a PC environment
(Microsoft's Virtual PC) and when traveling with my iBook, by logging
remotely onto my desktop at home. If I am unable to log on and update my
Fitday database, I use an Excel spreadsheet containing my food database
and transcribe the details when the opportunity arises. I like Fitday,
even with its foibles and inaccuracies and have kept it up-to-date with
food and exercise etc., for a nearly a couple of years now.

In your case, if you are PC based and not mixed platform, the simplest
answer would be to install the program on each machine and use a USB
thumb drive for the database, plugging into each system as needed. They
almost give those USB drives away now, they are so inexpensive. I keep a
one gig USBdrive hanging in a protective case on my keyring.

Quoted message said:

I'd gladly pay a fee if they added all the features of the PC version to the
online version so I could use the online version anywhere. Of course, being
able to download/upload my database to my PC would also be a nice
feature...download/upload to the online version from the PC version would
make it a go anywhere, use anywhere solution that I'd be willing to pay
money for.

:: MaryL

Regards

David

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J. David Anderson <jdavidanderson_@hotmail> wrote:
:> Roger Zoul wrote:
:>
:>>
:>> It really does sound like a nice program. My only problem with it
:>> is that you have to carry the database around if you use multiple
:>> PCs or travel.
:>
:> Roger, it is no different to using a contacts database or calendar
:> among multiple boxes. You sync the database at the same time as you
:> sync your other data.
:>
:> I use Fitday one of two ways, on my desktop in a PC environment
:> (Microsoft's Virtual PC) and when traveling with my iBook, by logging
:> remotely onto my desktop at home. If I am unable to log on and
:> update my Fitday database, I use an Excel spreadsheet containing my
:> food database
:> and transcribe the details when the opportunity arises. I like
:> Fitday,
:> even with its foibles and inaccuracies and have kept it up-to-date
:> with
:> food and exercise etc., for a nearly a couple of years now.
:>
:> In your case, if you are PC based and not mixed platform, the
:> simplest answer would be to install the program on each machine and
:> use a USB
:> thumb drive for the database, plugging into each system as needed.
:> They almost give those USB drives away now, they are so inexpensive.
:> I keep a
:> one gig USBdrive hanging in a protective case on my keyring.
:>

Actually, I have thought of doing this. The thing is, I currently carry
around 2 1GB thumb drives, and 2 512MB thumbs, and a couple 256 MB thumbs.
I guess having one more wouldn't be such a big deal 🙂.

But, I do think being able to sync to the online version would give me the
best flexibilty and the least hassle. I have other database driven
programs - one for cycling and another for my DVD collection - but those are
ones I need to update so often.

:>
:>> I'd gladly pay a fee if they added all the features of the PC
:>> version to the online version so I could use the online version
:>> anywhere. Of course, being able to download/upload my database to
:>> my PC would also be a nice feature...download/upload to the online
:>> version from the PC version would make it a go anywhere, use
:>> anywhere solution that I'd be willing to pay money for.
:>>
:>> :: MaryL
:>>
:>>
:>
:>
:> Regards
:>
:> David
:>
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:> line.
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Quoted message said:

You can do this same thing with FitDay, if you wanted to combine the two
approaches. That is, you can enter new foods and and enter your own
nutritional information to go with it. Then you could call that food up
anytime it was needed. (At least, you can do it with the downloaded
version -- I haven't checked the online version.)

You can also look for the closest match in the database to what you are
eating, then change the data and name of the food to match the nutritional
label on the one you bought. You get to keep some of the vitamins, etc
that aren't usually listed on the labels.

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"MaryL" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

You can do this same thing with FitDay, if you wanted to combine the two
approaches. That is, you can enter new foods and and enter your own
nutritional information to go with it. Then you could call that food up
anytime it was needed. (At least, you can do it with the downloaded
version -- I haven't checked the online version.)

You can also look for the closest match in the database to what you are
eating, then change the data and name of the food to match the nutritional
label on the one you bought. You get to keep some of the vitamins, etc
that aren't usually listed on the labels.

--
No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes