Fish

Steve Pope wrote on Monday, May 22, 2006:

Quoted message said:

That's my experience as well, although here (California) there
isn't any fresh wild salmon yet, and they are predicting a delayed
season with a small harvest.

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I bought some (Coho) at the Campbell farmers market yesterday. Might
have
been from Oregon. I usually ask, but I may have forgotten in my
eagerness to
find shelter from the rain.

KevinS said:

Steve Pope wrote on Monday, May 22, 2006:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That's my experience as well, although here (California) there
isn't any fresh wild salmon yet, and they are predicting a delayed
season with a small harvest.

Quoted message said:

I bought some (Coho) at the Campbell farmers market yesterday. Might
have
been from Oregon. I usually ask, but I may have forgotten in my
eagerness to
find shelter from the rain.

I'm told there are some very limited areas being opened for
limited times for salmon fishing along the California coast.
Nowhere near normal levels.

Steve

Steve Pope said:

I'm told there are some very limited areas being opened for
limited times for salmon fishing along the California coast.
Nowhere near normal levels.

Good thing we have salmon farms, or wild salmon would be overfished to
extinction.

--Blair

J said:

Steve Pope <[email hidden]> wrote:

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For me, salmon is one of the best fishes for eating, particularly
if you like grilling it because it goes really well with a bit
of smoke infused in it.

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I agree. I love salmon. It is strong flavored, so I can
understand why some people don't like it -- some people
don't like dark meat chicken either.

Funny you should mention that, tonight for dinner I made
Chicken Cacciatore, using a pound of boneless thigh meat chicken.
The usual ingredients, plus I put about two ounces of
chopped pastrami into the tomato sauce. An easy recipe
(I'll post details of it if anyone's intereseted).

Steve

Blair P. Houghton said:

Steve Pope said:

I'm told there are some very limited areas being opened for
limited times for salmon fishing along the California coast.
Nowhere near normal levels.

Good thing we have salmon farms, or wild salmon would be overfished to
extinction.

--Blair

Salmon farms are no salvation for wild salmon; in fact they pose real
threats to the wild population.
For North Americam locations (except Alaska and some locations in BC)
habitat distruction is the largest factor in the stock's decline - not
overfishing.

Ken.

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Quoted message said:

J said:

Steve Pope <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

For me, salmon is one of the best fishes for eating, particularly
if you like grilling it because it goes really well with a bit
of smoke infused in it.

Quoted message said:

I agree. I love salmon. It is strong flavored, so I can
understand why some people don't like it -- some people
don't like dark meat chicken either.

Funny you should mention that, tonight for dinner I made
Chicken Cacciatore, using a pound of boneless thigh meat chicken.
The usual ingredients, plus I put about two ounces of
chopped pastrami into the tomato sauce. An easy recipe
(I'll post details of it if anyone's intereseted).

Steve

I have a relative who frequents the best of restaurants. He will not even
taste salmon because of the salmon cakes he ate as a kid.
I guess I'm the same way, I will not eat dark meat of any birds, because
when we did eat chicken, the kids never got the white meat -- I hate dark
meat. DH loves it.
Dee Dee

Ken Davey said:

Blair P. Houghton said:

Good thing we have salmon farms, or wild salmon would be overfished to
extinction.

Salmon farms are no salvation for wild salmon; in fact they pose real
threats to the wild population.
For North Americam locations (except Alaska and some locations in BC)
habitat distruction is the largest factor in the stock's decline - not
overfishing.

You're falling for anti-farming propaganda.

--Blair

Quoted message said:

Ken Davey said:

Blair P. Houghton said:

Good thing we have salmon farms, or wild salmon would be overfished to
extinction.

Salmon farms are no salvation for wild salmon; in fact they pose real
threats to the wild population.
For North Americam locations (except Alaska and some locations in BC)
habitat distruction is the largest factor in the stock's decline - not
overfishing.

You're falling for anti-farming propaganda.

What I want to know is do you type all of these responses out by hand
or is this like a perl script cron job kinda thing?

tert in seattle said:

What I want to know is do you type all of these responses out by hand
or is this like a perl script cron job kinda thing?

No, I just put the truth into words. It's easier than, clearly, you
think.

--Blair

Blair P. Houghton said:

Ken Davey said:

Blair P. Houghton said:

Good thing we have salmon farms, or wild salmon would be overfished
to extinction.

Salmon farms are no salvation for wild salmon; in fact they pose real
threats to the wild population.
For North Americam locations (except Alaska and some locations in BC)
habitat distruction is the largest factor in the stock's decline -
not overfishing.

You're falling for anti-farming propaganda.

--Blair

Just where do YOU live?
I live on the North Coast of British Columnia and this topic is of great
importance here.
To be sure, there is a great deal of propaganda on both sides of this debate
but the bottom line is that farming does have several negative impacts on
the native stocks and the enviorment. For one - the ocean floor under a farm
becomes loaded with waste and smothers any life found there. Sea lice are
another problem. Farms provide an unatural year-round reservoir for these
parasites which translates into increased mortality for native stock fry.
The inevitable escape of non-native fish are a real threat to native stocks.
Chemicals used in the farming industry' are injurous to the enviorment and
not conducive to human health. Collateral damage to other costal wild life
also occurrs as farm operators try to control losses due to 'preditors'.
Attitudes such as yours ("decreased pressure on native stocks" is one
example) indicate that you have swallowed the propaanda of the farming lobby
'hook line and sinker".
I suggest that you do some basic research before mouthing off.

Ken.
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Blair P. Houghton said:

tert in seattle said:

What I want to know is do you type all of these responses out by hand
or is this like a perl script cron job kinda thing?

No, I just put the truth into words. It's easier than, clearly, you
think.

--Blair

YOUR truth is seriously flawed.

Ken.

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Virginia Tadrzynski said:

Good news.....I got a promotion. I am now the 'Seafood Leader' at the
grocery I now work at (they call me Leader because if they called me
department manager they'd have to pay me more). Now the big question for my
friends the foodies......

Always flounder, salmon, tilapia and catfish, over and over and over. I
tried croakers but the supplier sent bad ones and I sent them back. I just
ordered mahi-mahi and monkfish to be delivered Friday, I have an order in
for sea bass and I am contemplating red snapper....none of these have been
in stock before at this store. We are north of Philly and a few miles south
of Allentown, PA. Question for the lot of you is this: I need
suggestions. What are good 'marketable' fish? I'd love to put a whole
squid in the case just to catch the eye, but I don't want to take the $$
hit, because I know it won't sell. Any suggestions?
-Ginny

Large scallops?

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Quoted message said:

Virginia Tadrzynski said:

Good news.....I got a promotion. I am now the 'Seafood Leader' at the
grocery I now work at (they call me Leader because if they called me
department manager they'd have to pay me more). Now the big question for
my
friends the foodies......

Always flounder, salmon, tilapia and catfish, over and over and over. I
tried croakers but the supplier sent bad ones and I sent them back. I
just
ordered mahi-mahi and monkfish to be delivered Friday, I have an order in
for sea bass and I am contemplating red snapper....none of these have
been
in stock before at this store. We are north of Philly and a few miles
south
of Allentown, PA. Question for the lot of you is this: I need
suggestions. What are good 'marketable' fish? I'd love to put a whole
squid in the case just to catch the eye, but I don't want to take the $$
hit, because I know it won't sell. Any suggestions?
-Ginny

Large scallops?

Go to your supplier and look over the supply; you decide, you are now the
'seafood leader.'
Happy Days!
Dee Dee

Ken Davey said:

Blair P. Houghton said:

No, I just put the truth into words. It's easier than, clearly, you
think.

YOUR truth is seriously flawed.

No doubt in many ways on many issues. But on this issue my experience
has been that the anti-fish-farming zealots and their dupes will ignore
their
own ridiculous fallacies whether they are given the truth or not.

They even managed to con a legislature into demanding that farmed fish
be labeled "color added" because they eat the same colorant that wild
fish do...

--Blair

Ken Davey said:

Just where do YOU live?
I live on the North Coast of British Columnia and this topic is of great
importance here.

Fallacy. Your location doesn't make you better informed.

Quoted message said:

To be sure, there is a great deal of propaganda on both sides of this debate
but the bottom line is that farming does have several negative impacts on
the native stocks and the enviorment.

Without farming, there would be no native stocks left.

--Blair

Blair P. Houghton said:

Without farming, there would be no native stocks left.

That's flat-ass ridiculous.

Steve

Steve Pope said:

Blair P. Houghton said:

Without farming, there would be no native stocks left.

That's flat-ass ridiculous.

99% of the fresh salmon in American markets is farmed.

If there were no farmed salmon, that demand would still be there.

How long do you suppose salmon stocks would last once the nets closed
every creek from California to Alaska?

Here's a hint: purse-seine fishing is 80-90% efficient. I.e., 80-90%
of the fish trying to get up that stream are caught while the nets are
out. Convolve that with insatiable demand that leads to maximized
fishing time and efficiency, and it's an 80-90% reduction in the
breeding stock. Every year.

Salmon would no longer be food. Many breeds and/or species would
simply no longer be.

There are ways to reduce sea-lice. There's no way to reduce demand for
fish. Except to raise the price. Which is what the progenitors of the
anti-farming movement are really after.

Flat-assed ridiculous is what every "farmed salmon are bad" zealot
turns into when the simple truth kicks their credulousness out from
under them.

--Blair

Quoted message said:

Steve Pope said:

Blair P. Houghton said:

Without farming, there would be no native stocks left.

That's flat-ass ridiculous.

99% of the fresh salmon in American markets is farmed.

If there were no farmed salmon, that demand would still be there.

How long do you suppose salmon stocks would last once the nets closed
every creek from California to Alaska?

Here's a hint: purse-seine fishing is 80-90% efficient. I.e., 80-90%
of the fish trying to get up that stream are caught while the nets are
out. Convolve that with insatiable demand that leads to maximized
fishing time and efficiency, and it's an 80-90% reduction in the
breeding stock. Every year.

Salmon would no longer be food. Many breeds and/or species would
simply no longer be.

There are ways to reduce sea-lice. There's no way to reduce demand for
fish. Except to raise the price. Which is what the progenitors of the
anti-farming movement are really after.

your tinfoil is showing

Blair P. Houghton said:

Steve Pope wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Without farming, there would be no native stocks left.

Quoted message said:

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That's flat-ass ridiculous.

Quoted message said:

99% of the fresh salmon in American markets is farmed.

Quoted message said:

If there were no farmed salmon, that demand would still be there.

Can you wrap your head around the concept that fishing can
be regulated so that populations are not depleted?

S.

Steve Pope said:

Can you wrap your head around the concept that fishing can
be regulated so that populations are not depleted?

Not when I can wrap it around the fact that farmed fish satisfy the
demand and the side-effects can be repaired without shutting down the
industry.

You feckless luddites can just go hungry.

--Blair