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  1. New Look pedals and Nike Ventoux shoes.

    What a dramatic difference!

    Set pedals to have the least tension, and am using the red cleats (I
    beleive this gives 9deg float). I'm sure someone will tell me if
    otherwise.

    On Wedneday I took, the old A74, 7 miles north to Moffat. My
    confidence was good. spinning the pedals seemed much easier, and the
    journey was quicker than usual. I really niticed the push/pull effect
    An odd sensation at first, but soon second nature.

    My feet felt _much_ cooler that using trainers, I could feel the air
    circulating around my feet, which was a fantastic feeling as the sky
    was completely blue with not a cloud in sight all day. Temperature was
    ~24degC.

    My first real challenge was Moffat town centre. I was nervous of this
    as I'd be stopping/starting at junctions to get onto the Selkirk road.
    Luckilly, I managed to get through two right turns to get onto the
    road I wanted without stopping, phew!

    Getting a bit weary at this point, I should have stopped for a 5min
    rest, but feeling confident, especially as things had gone so well, I
    ploughed on...this was my downfall, literally.

    I should have realised when an RAF jet screamed overhead, so low that
    swear that I could feel the heat of the jetstream (ok a little
    exageration), that things were going to go to to hell...

    The first thing to come to on the Selkirk road (A708) is a hill which
    has a farm half way up on the RHS of the road as you head East. But
    what a hill! This is extremely steep, and turned to the right. As I
    started climbing a couple of cars passed, courtiously giving me a wide
    bearth.

    This is where my legs gave up :-( I realised that I wasn't going to
    make it, so stopped just above the farm in a small gateway and
    dismounted to straighten my back, get a breather and a drink of water.
    The view looking down the hill was terrific. There were a pair of
    buzzards circling above (or there they vultures?).
    Ok whimp, get up the hill! Got on the bike shoe locked in right pedal,
    PUSH!. The bike didn't move. Aargh, not only that it was tipping over,
    into the road., because of the angle I was at I found it impossible to
    remove my shoe and put my foot down.
    So lying in the middle of the road, I frantically threw the bike off
    me (at which point the shoe disengaged) and got up and pulled the
    bike back into the gateway. I quickly looked around to see if there
    were any witnesses - none :-). I looked back at the gears - 4th gear!
    WTF, I was sure I was in first when I stopped.

    Once at the top, there is a long winding drop, and your heart sinks,
    knowing that you will have to climb back up that sucker. Fortunately,
    as it is a longer, slower drop, the return climb is easy.
    The road is a constant series of hils/drips as it runs allong the
    valley. The road is narrow, and has a surprising amount of heavy goods
    traffic. About 5 miles further along the road it narrows through a
    wooded section. No sunlight here, the tree coverage is quite dense.

    I notice an oncomming oil tanker ahead pull to a stop and pull
    slightly into the verge. I then hear a car behind me. Then I see,
    directly ahead of me, a large road drain and I kid you not, sunk about
    6" below the road surface. Christ, I can't hit that! I pull on the
    anchors, and move into erroded edge of the road to stop and let the
    car& caravan get past. This is obviously, why the oil tanker stopped.

    Mistake #2. As I stop, the bike tries to fall off the edge of the
    road, I pull it back, by then my speed is zero, my right pedal
    position is behind me. Again I cannot get my shoe released (I think
    this is just a matter of training, twisting of the foot, is not the
    first thing that yet springs to mind when wanting to put my foot
    down). The inevitable happens, the caravan thunders past, as it does,
    I cowpe over into the road again. Close one, that! This really shakes
    me up. This time there is a witness - the tanker driver. I pick myself
    up, as I do the tanker driver pulls allongside to check if I'm OK.
    Bless him.

    I tell him that my pride is mortally wounded, he laughs and pulls
    away.

    Anyway, when you fall off a horse, as the saying goes, the best thing
    to do is shoot the horse ;-)

    As I cycle onward, I realise that all is not well. The rhs brake/gear
    selector has twisted about 20deg on the bars. [censored]. I stop and pull it
    back into its normall position.

    Onward and upward. Once passed the wooded area, we are in open
    country, and finally afer ~10miles from Moffat, we end up the Grey
    Mares Tail. This is (at times) a spectacular waterfall. There is
    parking to visitors, and those inclined, can walk to the small Loch
    Skeen at the top of the waterfall (those not wearing cycle shoes that
    is). Mountain goats can be seen on the hills, as can the omnipresent
    black faced sheep. I stop and consider wether to continue or turn
    back.

    The fact that 7miles further on there is St. Marys Loch, with an
    establishment serving refreshments by the pint is a stong driving
    force in my decision making. Onward to St Marys. This is a lovely
    place. Quiet, a Loch to rest weary feet in, and the previously
    mentioned refreshments. I lay down at the loch side and sunbathe for a
    while and decide wether to go back via Megat water/Devils Beef Tub or
    the road I just came along.

    Discretion, they say, is the better part of valour. Between you and
    me, I just chikened out.

    So back, westward, along the Selkirk road, back towards Moffat.
    Thankfully much less eventful. Apart from the odd tourist bus and
    timber lorry thundering past at an incredible speed for such a narrow,
    blind road.

    The hill that "got me" on the way out, was easy to climb from the
    other direction. The run down the steep side was FUN.

    Through Moffat and back onto the A74, I was getting weary again, I
    trundled along, past Beattock using the A74 (not the cycle path as it
    is atrocious). I was a tad embarrased then a couple, a pretty woman
    and presumably her partner breezed passed me, as I struggled up the
    incline out of Beattock. They went out of sight. My feet were starting
    hurt now. I freewheeled down the hong hill to rest myself, then cought
    sight of the couple in the distance. An incentive! I pushed hard to
    catch. After about a couple of miles, I was behind them. They seemed
    to nitice and picked up the pace :-) Just what I needed, pacemakers.
    About 2 miles from home, they gave up and pulled over into a layby. I
    went past and tried to push on but I couldn't seem to keep the pace up
    when there was nobody to chase :-(.

    Final strech. Used the hill at Annandale water to speed up and take me
    over the Motorway flyover and cruised down to Dinwoodie Lodge Hotel
    (about 300 yards from my home). Refreshment time again ;-)

    Got home, walked dogs for a mile or so. Sat in garden watching the
    shadows get longer and with a nice bottle of Merlot by the garden
    chair. Bliss. Sleep....

    Oh, the point of all this - pedals/shoes work.

  2. Quoted message said:

    New Look pedals and Nike Ventoux shoes.

    What a dramatic difference!

    I'm still fiddling with different methods of pedalling. Any of you
    clipless veterans know the most efficient way to pedal? Should my feet be
    'waddling' etc etc?

    Mark.

    p.s.
    Anyone considering going clipless but put off by the chances of falling off
    might want to consider SPDs with 'multi-unlip-direction' pedals - with the
    tension at minimum I've been able to unclip very very easily but have never
    come out involuntarily.

  3. in message <[email hidden]>, Mark

    Thompson (') said:
    Quoted message said:

    New Look pedals and Nike Ventoux shoes.

    Nice ride report, Mark! It helps that I know all those roads.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    What a dramatic difference!

    I'm still fiddling with different methods of pedalling. Any of you
    clipless veterans know the most efficient way to pedal? Should my
    feet be 'waddling' etc etc?

    Spin. I ankle a bit as well, but that's mainly because my circulation
    isn't that good and ankling seems to help push the blood back up. I'm
    not sure ankling actually helps with power, but for me it helps delay
    the onset of cramp. But fundamentally just pedal circles. Practice with
    only one foot at a time until you've got the feel of pedalling all the
    way round. Then get the cadence up.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
    Das Internet is nicht fuer gefingerclicken und giffengrabben... Ist
    nicht fuer gewerken bei das dumpkopfen. Das mausklicken sichtseeren
    keepen das bandwit-spewin hans in das pockets muss; relaxen und
    watchen das cursorblinken. -- quoted from the jargon file

  4. Ian said:

    Oh, the point of all this - pedals/shoes work.

    Sounds like you were a bit unlucky with the various incidents - a bit
    more practise and unclipping will become second nature.

    Remember that for all the problems clipless pedals create, there are as
    many problems they solve. I was riding my hybrid in the wet yesterday,
    which doesn't yet have clipless pedals, and my feet were slipping around
    all over the place. Not nice.

    d.

  5. Mark Thompson said:

    I'm still fiddling with different methods of pedalling. Any of you
    clipless veterans know the most efficient way to pedal?

    I'm hardly a clipless veteran, but the key to good pedalling seems to be
    spinning rather than pushing - for once, the accepted wisdom is right.

    If you can get your feet going round in a smooth rhythm with no
    sensation of actually pushing the pedals at any point in the circle it
    feels wonderful - achieving this is partly down to correct gear
    selection. I find that if I hit this rhythm, on the flat with no
    noticeable headwind, I can comfortably maintain a cadence of 110rpm for
    a speed around 23mph.

    d.

  6. Iv'e used look pedals/red cleats for a number of years now, and previously spd's on my MTB. I don't have a problem releasing my foot out of them. You will learn twisting the ankle out method quite quickly and it soon comes naturally.

    I do, however still have a bit of a problem in engaging my left foot when setting off and this does cause me aprehension about going anywhere near too many busy roundabouts/ junctions etc where I might need to set off quickly.

    ie right foot in and push off, it's the other foot that then causes me the problem. Was never an issue with SPD's as they were double sided and as long as you put your foot square on to the pedal, it engaged without a problem or would take the pressure of setting off quick until you could take a few seconds to engage it properly.

    The look pedals however, are quite tricky I find, especially if you get your foot on the wrong side of the pedal, those big cleats just slip right off!

    The forward edge of the pedal sticks up when not engaged so the best technique seems to be catching the forward end with your toe first to level the pedal and then engaging. Still haven't mastered this without having to look down at the pedal though which is not great when in busy traffic!!

    Any tips anyone or any suggestions for other pedal types. Mine are a few years old now and although still working OK, I wouldn't object too much to forking out for new ones if they are much easier to engage. (I have even considered switching back to MTB type double sided SPD's but I know that that just isn't the thing to do from a roadie perspective!!)

  7. darrenf said:

    Any tips anyone or any suggestions for other pedal types. Mine are a
    few years old now and although still working OK, I wouldn't object too
    much to forking out for new ones if they are much easier to engage.

    Eggbeaters, as discussed here recently, are reputedly /very/ easy to
    clip in and out of and are four-sided.

    d.

  8. On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:45:13 +0100, davek <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I was riding my hybrid in the wet yesterday,
    which doesn't yet have clipless pedals, and my feet were slipping around
    all over the place.

    Wet. Where was that!

    Glorious day up here, reached 26degC. No clouds whatsoever

    Chose the right time to take time off work. If I remember corectly,
    I've always got good weather when I took time off in Sept. :-)

    Today a bit different though. Just back from a 20 mile run. Has just
    clouded over an cooled down.

  9. darrenf said:

    The look pedals however, are quite tricky I find, especially if you get
    your foot on the wrong side of the pedal, those big cleats just slip
    right off!

    If you look at how the pedals sit on the crank, you'll see that the
    toe part always points up.

    I've found that if you tap this with the tip of you shoe as you move
    the shoe over the pedal, the pedal levels up and the cleat just slips
    into the clamp.

    On return journey today, my left pedal/cleat started
    clicking/crunching on each rotation. Twisting my foot slightly reduced
    this, but didn't make it entirely go away.

    Anybody have any idea what this may be. The cleat is securely on the
    shoe.

  10. On 10/9/04 3:55 pm, in article [email hidden],

    Ian said:
    darrenf said:

    The look pedals however, are quite tricky I find, especially if you get
    your foot on the wrong side of the pedal, those big cleats just slip
    right off!

    If you look at how the pedals sit on the crank, you'll see that the
    toe part always points up.

    I've found that if you tap this with the tip of you shoe as you move
    the shoe over the pedal, the pedal levels up and the cleat just slips
    into the clamp.

    On return journey today, my left pedal/cleat started
    clicking/crunching on each rotation. Twisting my foot slightly reduced
    this, but didn't make it entirely go away.

    Anybody have any idea what this may be. The cleat is securely on the
    shoe.

    stones or grit trapped in the cleat (bolt heads are a favourite for this)

    ...d

  11. On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:45:13 +0100, davek <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Sounds like you were a bit unlucky with the various incidents - a bit
    more practise and unclipping will become second nature.

    BTW, on return home I noticed that I lost the "plug" from the end of
    the drop bars. Probably happened during one of my "offs". The bar tape
    is moderately scuffed, but hopefully will survive.

    What are these called so that I can source replacements. If anyone
    has links... BTW, The bike has ITM bars, if that helps...

  12. in message <[email hidden]>, Ian

    (') said:

    On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:45:13 +0100, davek <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Sounds like you were a bit unlucky with the various incidents - a bit
    more practise and unclipping will become second nature.

    BTW, on return home I noticed that I lost the "plug" from the end of
    the drop bars. Probably happened during one of my "offs". The bar tape
    is moderately scuffed, but hopefully will survive.

    What are these called so that I can source replacements. If anyone
    has links... BTW, The bike has ITM bars, if that helps...

    I don't know what they're called but I have spares in the bits box in at
    least black or chrome (plastic). If you'd like a couple I could easily
    drop 'em in an envelope - the email address on this post is good.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    [ This .sig intentionally left blank ]

  13. in message <[email hidden]>, Ian

    (') said:
    darrenf said:

    The look pedals however, are quite tricky I find, especially if you
    get your foot on the wrong side of the pedal, those big cleats just
    slip right off!

    If you look at how the pedals sit on the crank, you'll see that the
    toe part always points up.

    I've found that if you tap this with the tip of you shoe as you move
    the shoe over the pedal, the pedal levels up and the cleat just slips
    into the clamp.

    On return journey today, my left pedal/cleat started
    clicking/crunching on each rotation. Twisting my foot slightly reduced
    this, but didn't make it entirely go away.

    Possibly a knackered pedal bearing, but let's jolly well hope not! Clean
    cleats just to check it isn't grit and ride around a bit. If clicking
    is still there, try turning the bike upside down and pedalling with
    your hands. If you can feel the click and it's only one side it's
    probably a pedal bearing. If you can feel it on both sides it could be
    the bottom bracket. Oh - check there's no play in your cranks - a
    'click' could be a loose crank, although a 'crunch' isn't likely to be.
    If the cranks are NOT loose, DO NOT tighten them - crankbolts can
    appear to be 'a bit loose' but this is normal and if you progressively
    tighten them whenever they appear to be 'a bit loose' you will knacker
    your cranks.

    Given that as I understand it these are new pedals I'd be inclined to
    take them back to the shop if the bearings are clicking. However, with
    pedals which are half way decent it shouldn't be work of more than
    twenty minutes to disassemble them, clean the bearings, regrease, and
    reassemble.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
    "This young man has not the faintest idea how socialists think and does
    not begin to understand the mentality of the party he has been elected
    to lead. He is quite simply a liberal"
    -- Ken Coates MEP (Lab) of Tony Blair

  14. On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:45:13 +0100, davek <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Ian said:

    Oh, the point of all this - pedals/shoes work.

    Sounds like you were a bit unlucky with the various incidents - a bit
    more practise and unclipping will become second nature.

    Reminds me of the time I was time trialling on the A whateveritis
    through the New Forest .......... a '50' I believe, I got a wobble on
    and lost it, luckily falling onto the grass verge (toe clips) and
    unhurt BUT every time I tried to move, the left leg TRAPPED under the
    bike CRAMPED UP forcing me to lie down again. I was unable to move
    .......... even lifting my head AAhhh BANG down again ...............
    two New Forest ponies were looking over the fence at me, almost
    licking me in fact ......... I often wondered what they were thinking;

    "Hey Frank, look at this silly prat lying on the grass verge, moaning
    and groaning ....... I often wondered what those flash coloured things
    were that rushed by us early every Sunday morning .......... now we
    got one lyin ere"

    I was eventually rescued by a (cyclist) guy in a car, as the riders
    off behind me were obviously after PB's and didn't stop..... (fair
    enough) I got back on and finished, the cramp now gone

    happy days ...................

  15. darrenf said:

    Iv'e used look pedals/red cleats for a number of years now, and
    previously spd's on my MTB. I don't have a problem releasing my foot
    out of them. You will learn twisting the ankle out method quite
    quickly and it soon comes naturally.

    I do, however still have a bit of a problem in engaging my left foot
    when setting off and this does cause me aprehension about going
    anywhere near too many busy roundabouts/ junctions etc where I might
    need to set off quickly.


    ...........

    Quoted message said:

    The look pedals however, are quite tricky I find, especially if you
    get your foot on the wrong side of the pedal, those big cleats just
    slip right off!

    I'm happy with Look pedals at junctions and in all urban situations but
    still I occasionally slip on my left pedal, too. The important thing is
    not to put your full weight on it before you feel & hear that lovely
    "clunk", then it doesn't really matter, just try again. Scoop foot
    forwards and down instead of just straight down, that helps catch the
    correct side.

    Practise stopping *before* unclipping to improve confidence and skill, and
    even try and balance stationary for a few seconds with feet clipped in.
    But normally, don't stop come to a full stop more often than you need to.
    Dawdle along at 1 mph instead.

    I wouldn't want anyone to be put off by Look pedals because of this issue.
    They're actually quite easy to step into, IME.

    ~PB

  16. Ian said:

    BTW, on return home I noticed that I lost the "plug" from the end of
    the drop bars. Probably happened during one of my "offs". The bar tape
    is moderately scuffed, but hopefully will survive.

    What are these called so that I can source replacements. If anyone
    has links... BTW, The bike has ITM bars, if that helps...

    Handlebar end plugs. Often supplied with reels of tape. Your local bike
    shop is bound to have some. Dont' ride without a plug of some sort (a
    cork would do). The open tube could punch a hole in your chest if you
    fall on it.

    ~PB

  17. Ian said:

    My feet felt _much_ cooler that using trainers, I could feel the air
    circulating around my feet, which was a fantastic feeling

    That is nice in the summer. Different sory in winter :-(

    ~PB

  18. Mark Thompson said:

    I'm still fiddling with different methods of pedalling. Any of you
    clipless veterans know the most efficient way to pedal? Should my
    feet be 'waddling' etc etc?

    Ideally, we're supposed to pedal evenly in circles, etc, but you don't get
    something for nothing -- it's quite tiring in the long run, I find.
    Putting most of the force into the downstroke gives the muscles a little
    rest during each stroke.

    ~PB

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