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  1. Went out there to see what all the fuss is about. There were about twenty or so riders in B grade, the track is bumpy and the pace was more than fast enough for me. Several people tried to get away in breaks, but they were mercilessly chased down. One of my few highlights was substantially chasing down a couple of breaks myself.

    The sprinters took off a little earlier than I thought (into the hairpin, rather than just after), but it probably didn't make much difference. So I finished around midfield as everyone arrived more or less together. Doh! (although I never claimed to be a sprinter anyway).

    Just a thought - we averaged about 38km/h - the Mansfield criterium at the HST averaged 48...(sigh)

    Ritch

  2. "ritcho" <[email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    Just a thought - we averaged about 38km/h - the Mansfield criterium at
    the HST averaged 48...(sigh)

    Is it a trickier course? 20 riders in B grade - is
    that more or less than the other place? I think
    there was about 70 in N grade today and then
    A and B combined at the finish, even with extra
    time - not good
    HST?
    Fastest Glenvale C today (this season)
    40.4kph for 58min.

    hippy

  3. hippy said:

    "ritcho" <[email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    Just a thought - we averaged about 38km/h - the Mansfield criterium at
    the HST averaged 48...(sigh)

    Is it a trickier course? 20 riders in B grade - is
    that more or less than the other place? I think
    there was about 70 in N grade today and then
    A and B combined at the finish, even with extra
    time - not good
    HST?
    Fastest Glenvale C today (this season)
    40.4kph for 58min.

    hippy

    HST = Herald Sun Tour - they flew in that Mansfield criterium...

    The Heffron Park has ten corners in a little over 2km, a bumpy surface and lots of wind, courtesy of a seabreeze that picks up in the afternoon. Regarding the numbers, apparently they were down a little, due to the Masters' State Criterium titles. 38km/h was fast (for me), but it was the standard deviation that wiped me out...

    Ritch

  4. "hippy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "ritcho" <[email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    Just a thought - we averaged about 38km/h - the Mansfield criterium at
    the HST averaged 48...(sigh)

    Is it a trickier course? 20 riders in B grade - is
    that more or less than the other place? I think
    there was about 70 in N grade today and then
    A and B combined at the finish, even with extra
    time - not good
    HST?
    Fastest Glenvale C today (this season)
    40.4kph for 58min.

    When I first when up to B grade a couple of years ago, we'd be looking
    at not much more than that (maybe ~41-41.5 kmh ?), now according to my
    computer, we've been >43 kmh for every race I've been in this season.
    Suprisngly, D grade looks like it's gone backwards (ahh for D grade a
    lapping the field...)

    It's gotta be due to size of the fields, which seem to be going up all
    the time (except D grade, maybe since more people are just giving it a
    go in D grade ?)

  5. ritcho <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Went out there to see what all the fuss is about. There were about
    twenty or so riders in B grade, the track is bumpy and the pace was
    more than fast enough for me. Several people tried to get away in
    breaks, but they were mercilessly chased down. One of my few highlights
    was substantially chasing down a couple of breaks myself.

    The sprinters took off a little earlier than I thought (into the
    hairpin, rather than just after), but it probably didn't make much
    difference. So I finished around midfield as everyone arrived more or
    less together. Doh! (although I never claimed to be a sprinter
    anyway).

    I don't wanna rain on your sunny day, but are you sure you want to be
    chasing breaks down ? Consider the chase monkey who chases down
    breaks for no real reason, never seem to be actually forging a break
    and end up mid field. Meanwhile the tracky sprinters with powder keg
    thighs, say "thanks chase ape, have a banana and move over while I do
    my thing"

    For what it's worth, unless your chasing is tactical, in that the
    sprinters are your buddies and your making sure they are up there come
    sprint, never chase. Let the other monkeys do it (there is always
    someone who will), and conserve your energy for an assault to bridge
    to the break, or, go for it your self.

    Unless, of course, in Lance fashion, you go, "I hate that guy and I'm
    gonna spoil his break".....

    Which I'll confess to doing at times. Now where's my banana...

    Rick

  6. rickster said:


    When I first when up to B grade a couple of years ago, we'd be looking
    at not much more than that (maybe ~41-41.5 kmh ?), now according to my
    computer, we've been >43 kmh for every race I've been in this season.
    Suprisngly, D grade looks like it's gone backwards (ahh for D grade a
    lapping the field...)

    It's gotta be due to size of the fields, which seem to be going up all
    the time (except D grade, maybe since more people are just giving it a
    go in D grade ?)

    Yeah, the fields seem huge compared to last year. I reckon they will
    need to split the grades up (Canberra goes to G with 18 people the
    largest grade!! see Aeeek's post elsewhere). There is a massive
    difference between D and C it seems. Maybe there should be a D+
    grade or a D.5 grade as an intermediate step?

    hippy

  7. Quoted message said:

    rickster
    Meanwhile the tracky sprinters with powder keg thighs, say "thanks
    chase ape, have a banana and move over while I do my thing"

    hehehe you read my mind! 😉

    Quoted message said:

    Unless, of course, in Lance fashion, you go, "I hate that guy and I'm
    gonna spoil his break".....

    I find that sometimes I'm just "there" when someone goes and it's just
    my natural reaction to chase them. Other times I think if a couple of us
    can get away, we stand a much better chance of placing than muggins
    going solo..

    hippy

  8. hippy said:

    >rickster

    Quoted message said:

    Meanwhile the tracky sprinters with powder keg thighs, say "thanks
    chase ape, have a banana and move over while I do my thing"

    hehehe you read my mind! 😉

    Quoted message said:

    Unless, of course, in Lance fashion, you go, "I hate that guy and I'm
    gonna spoil his break".....

    I find that sometimes I'm just "there" when someone goes and it's just
    my natural reaction to chase them. Other times I think if a couple of us
    can get away, we stand a much better chance of placing than muggins
    going solo..

    hippy

    There were *lots* of attacks and I thought there would be a chance of one getting away - why not try and join one (I thought to myself). After all, you don't want to miss out if five or six make a break...

    Nothing doing.

    Everyone had the same idea, so it ended up being a real stop/start affair. Next time I'll try and concentrate a little more... or at least try and get some Parra teammates out there!

    Ritch (I should probably wear L or P-plates for this racing stuff)

  9. hippy said:

    Yeah, the fields seem huge compared to last year. I reckon they will
    need to split the grades up (Canberra goes to G with 18 people the
    largest grade!! see Aeeek's post elsewhere). There is a massive
    difference between D and C it seems. Maybe there should be a D+
    grade or a D.5 grade as an intermediate step?

    hippy

    H actually, and it was a Vet's event - but no beer 🙁, mmm Vet Bitter.
    At least one guy was cycling in Vic instead, ATB?, so I have hopes of a few more.

    Canberra Cycling seems to be A-D http://www.canberracyclingclub.org.au/ccc/results/21-12-2003.asp
    that's one classy B grade!

  10. "aeek" <[email hidden]

    Quoted message said:
    hippy said:

    Yeah, the fields seem huge compared to last year. I reckon they will
    need to split the grades up (Canberra goes to G with 18 people the
    largest grade!! see Aeeek's post elsewhere). There is a massive
    difference between D and C it seems. Maybe there should be a D+
    grade or a D.5 grade as an intermediate step?

    H actually, and it was a Vet's event - but no beer 🙁, mmm Vet Bitter.

    AND I got your name wrong! Sheesh! ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    Canberra Cycling seems to be A-D
    http://www.canberracyclingclub.org.au/ccc/results/21-12-2003.asp
    that's one classy B grade!

    I love the comments about the D grade dude :-)

    What's with A-grade only racing 40min? I think
    D grade do more than that here?

    hippy

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