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  1. Yesterday I did the first test ride on my Schlumpf geared unicycle,
    for getting used to it. Wheel diameter 29" (with Big Apple 2.35"😉,
    crank length 170 mm. The seat post can barely get low enough, but I
    won't cut it shorter because I will probably revert to shorter cranks
    later on.

    It took some time to get used to the feel of the gear. Initially I
    couldn't ride at all, but after a couple of minutes I could ride,
    although it was with quite a few decelerations and accelerations, and
    a bit of swerving too. Not only is the gear making all your
    corrections less effective, but the torque arm exerts forces on the
    frame. That makes the ride less significant than on a Coker. All of
    that is quite predictible though, it's just a matter of getting used
    to..

    Once I could ride a bit more relaxed, I tried freemounting in geared
    mode (static mount). I got it on my third try, and subsequently about
    half of the attemps succeeded (in the sense that I rode 5 revolutions
    or more). More than with an ungeared uni, the wheel tends to run away
    from you during a static mount. So you have to jump up and forward
    more "on your own", rather than using the uni as a pivot. Also, apply
    more pressure on the back pedal. And then once you're up there, start
    accellerating. This is slower than normal, so it was not uncommon for
    me to fall off in the first revolution or so, because there's little
    speed yet to work with in correcting any imbalance.

    I tried shifting down, at low speed. Unsuccessful so far. You use the
    back end of your shoe to push the shift button (that runs through the
    hub). So that means that af the moment of shifting, your cranks are
    about horizontal. Then the cranks disengage from high gear, and rotate
    through up to 30 degrees with respect to the wheel to re-engage in low
    gear. During that time you have no control whatsoever (unless you can
    coast which I can't). At the same time, the wheel moves on as well.
    The two effect combined meant for me that I regain control in low gear
    close to 'dead position', i.e. with vertical cranks. I'll have to
    practice more. Maybe I should try to rotate the cranks backward in the
    unengaged period? Or not rotate them, let the wheel catch up?

    I heard some "krk" noises coming from below during most of the ride,
    and I thought that something in the hub was not right. It turned out
    though that I was picking up gravel and dirt, and since the seat post
    was only about 3 mm above the tyre, the gravel hit the seat post.
    Pfffft.

    The exact ratio of the high gear is one to 17/11, I determined through
    some counting and calculating. That's 1 : 1.54545454. The wheel's real
    diameter is about 29.20" (unloaded). That means that the wheel's
    virtual unloaded diameter is 45.13", or 114.6 cm. What that converts
    to in road distance covered per revolution depends on your weight,
    tyre pressure, wobbliness and more.

    My test ride was 10 km, mostly on tarmac, about 1 km on easy
    singletrack (gravel). Max speed on tarmac was 19.9 km/h (from the GPS
    but credible in view of the overall speed profile). The uni has a lot
    more speed potential, even with the 170 mm cranks, but I haven't
    really tried to go fast yet.

    Oh and my hub serial number is 00006. Cool!

    Klaas Bil - Newsgroup Addict
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  2. Klaas Bil said:

    That makes the ride less significant than on a Coker.

    Huh, what was I thinking there. I meant something like the Coker rides
    -effortless-. Once going you don't have to put much thought or
    concentration in. With the Schlumpf, that is different - at least until
    now.

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  3. can we see some pictures?

  4. Your English is practically flawless, Klaas. Thanks for a very thorough
    writeup including details important to potential buyers. I would like
    to hear a better description of your shift-on-the-fly technique as it
    evolves. My first was to let my heel drag over the shift button during
    a pedal revolution. This worked well on the 24" unicycle Florian
    brought to Seattle. I had difficulty applying this technique to David
    Stone's 29" GUni in New York.

    Did you ever have a chance to ride Frank Bonsch's 28" uni? I think a
    bunch of folks got to ride it at one of the BUC's or an EU convention
    of some kind.

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  5. Jonathan said:

    can we see some pictures?

    I could take some next weekend (if I want them in daylight). But it is
    just a standard Schlumpf as depicted on www.schlumpf.ch . I chose a
    yellow seat (which is already starting to get dirty) and 'silver'
    frame.

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  6. harper said:

    I would like
    to hear a better description of your shift-on-the-fly technique as it
    evolves. My first was to let my heel drag over the shift button during
    a pedal revolution. This worked well on the 24" unicycle Florian
    brought to Seattle. I had difficulty applying this technique to David
    Stone's 29" GUni in New York.

    That is what I do too. When I drag my heel over the button, it may
    take a few turns (during which I gradually move my heel inwards)
    before I hit the button properly. I yet have to learn how far my heel
    should go.

    What was your difficulty? Didn't it shift at all, or did you loose
    control due to the shift? And did any other technique work better for
    you?

    My 170 mm cranks (that are currently on) are straight (on the outside,
    on the inside they have some curvature to them). My 150, which I plan
    to mount once I am more proficient, have a distinct Q to them. I
    wonder if that would make shifting harder. Both are original Schlumpf
    cranks. So I also wonder: why the difference?

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  7. Klaas Bil said:

    What was your difficulty? Didn't it shift at all, or did you loose
    control due to the shift? And did any other technique work better for
    you?

    The 24" version shifted easily, sometimes with some extra play but
    still manageable. It could be that the shoes I was wearing had heels
    that were ideal for that function. On the 29" version I could have been
    wearing different shoes. I couldn't get it to shift because I couldn't
    find the button with my heel. When I did shift, David's 29" had so much
    play that I frequently UPDed.

    I do not know whether the two unis had different crank lengths. This
    would of course determine where your heel is located during the pedal
    revolution when it crosses the shift button.

    Crongratulations on your new unicycle. I hope you enjoy it. Don't let
    Jorga ride it. She'll be better than you in no time.

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  8. harper said:

    Did you ever have a chance to ride Frank Bonsch's 28" uni? I think a
    bunch of folks got to ride it at one of the BUC's or an EU convention
    of some kind.

    I overlooked this question. No, I never rode Frank's geared uni - I
    never even met Frank. But the gear ratio's are very similar, as are
    the wheel diameters. So I would guess that the ride is comparable.
    Although I guess Frank uses shorter cranks.

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  9. Klaas Bil said:

    On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:38:15 -0600, harper wrote:

    I overlooked this question. No, I never rode Frank's geared uni - I
    never even met Frank. But the gear ratio's are very similar, as are
    the wheel diameters. So I would guess that the ride is comparable.
    Although I guess Frank uses shorter cranks.

    Klaas Bil - Newsgroup Addict
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    Hi!

    Yes, my geared uni is very similar to the Schlumpf in geared mode. I
    use 125mm cranks on both planning to switch to 114mm cranks on the
    Schlumpf when I get it back - currently it´s in Switzerland for
    upgrading.

    Frank

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  10. Klaas Bil said:

    Oh and my hub serial number is 00006. Cool!

    6 is my lucky number (:

    anyway, thats really awesome...I can't wait to try one out sometime.

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  11. As for the shifting, I don't "drag" the side of my heel over the button.
    Instead, I wait till my foot is in the right place in the revolution of
    the wheel and then I forcibly "kick" the button with the side of my
    foot near the heel. The thing is, I often miss the kick and end up
    having to rotate the wheel one or more extra times, and before long,
    I'm riding really slowly, which makes me think I should have just
    hopped off and changed it "off the fly." And then I remember the point
    of the shift button and how cool it is to shift "on" the fly, so I try
    the side-kick. It usually works, esp switching into high gear. I think
    a lot of the problem for me was the fear that I'd do some huge rotation
    and lose my balance. So I'm really excited about the new hub.

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  12. Jonathan said:

    can we see some pictures?

    The complete unicycle, with brake, 170 mm cranks, Big Apple 2.35" and
    yellow KH seat.

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  13. Close-up of the hub area. The torque reaction arm is mounted on the
    inside of the frame (at rear in the picture). The 'golden' button is
    pressed which means 1 : 1.55 gear ratio. Notice that the frame is
    modular, it doesn't seem to difficult to change it into a frame for a
    larger wheel (e.g. 36"😉 - it seems just a matter of swapping the fork
    tubes for longer ones.

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  14. "Crown" area. There is no seat tube, the seat post as well as the fork
    blades are clamped in two clamps that are tightened with Allen bolts.
    Along with the previous one, this is the other picture you need to see
    to understand that the frame is modular. And yes, the seatpost-tyre
    clearance is only 3 mm or so.

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  15. This is the label on the (nicely eyeletted) rim. Does it mean the inside
    width is 19 mm? I haven't measured it but it is quite narrow indeed.

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  16. You may not be able to read it very well but the hub is labeled
    "Unicycle hub Nr. 00006". How cool is that!

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  17. Klaas Bil said:

    You may not be able to read it very well but the hub is labeled
    "Unicycle hub Nr. 00006". How cool is that!

    Nice, but it should have been written in Schwyzerdütsch.

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  18. Nice "Guni", do that frame fit a normal nimbus 29" wheel to?

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  19. Korv said:

    Nice "Guni", do that frame fit a normal nimbus 29" wheel to?

    The wheel would fit, but I'm not sure about bearing size compatibility.
    I have a 29" Nimbus too (with the same BA 2.35" tyre), but currently I
    feel no inclination to swap the wheel.

    Why did you ask? AFAIK, the frame is not separately available.

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  20. Klaas Bil said:

    Why did you ask? AFAIK, the frame is not separately available.

    To bad the frames are not available seseparately, it sure looks sweet
    and i like one on my nimbus.

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