First Outside Run of the Year

oh yes! the "Gym"
and the real world.

needle point showers, pump in music, bottle water the special candy
bars.
a billion plus money business. with billing shows on every second of
the day. with claims on ;
How you all our the best of the best evan too great to be in this real
world threats.

genetic weights and machines all design to make you fit fit and more
fit. The super human. Super man. The rush of pure greatness.
and

watch what nature well do to you now. I left the area for 1 run and I
hurt.

What do I do. what do I do.

what do you think you do.
" a fish out of water."
you get hurt.............

The real world?
land, water fire and wind.
temps;
animals oh why oh why do the humans do what they do?.
oh why oh why do the land is what it is?. they need jobs so they do what
they do. so why oh why can't I.?
oh the sound of the wild or Beep Beep Beep of the machines.
can't we all just live together.

construction. see a place of beauty and run to it. tell one person, only
one. and next year it is a con-doe place.

Lets get this superman and make him claim all our billion dollar a year
business and find the finds for free....and we well lay it in his
lap........He well find the trail that well lead us to our fortune. were
hill billies land was once 3 grand we well sell for 100 grand in 3
years......and no one ever well no it was me.......me and me.
( I o you are butt what am I. I change again just like this...........

run oh wise on run and hurt your self. in the real world...while ( I )
Not Pay your family and friends and lay it all on you....... and leave
the world to me...................for I have been her linger and I am so
tree and all so good....

and hen you die........and jesus comes and pre judge you, tell your
future and how to live or die.....and he well be there at your
death...and you well say why at my death...........and the cross well
bare it's true reasons why Caesar and Herod were emperor and king... and
why the king of king were born into this land.

as you ponder nature jungle. a chimp monk well cross your path, and as
you fall and reck your leg for life and walk like chester in Mr Billion
is that you? for rest of your life..........you well say so.......
superman had a crypt.....why could I not have mine.........a
flicking.......chip on me shoulder from a 1 nut [censored] cat likelook of
not me I ot ate the meat?
Scrolled has down me from my years in the gym................and the
sun comes up another day and the world we'll move on....as you limp for
never more........

my leg hurt and I ranin the water and a man of war tag
me..........Owwwwww Eeeeeeethat hurt.
I was in the jungle in war game and the brown recluse bit me.
Drill I am not Gay jst look at my leg dam it.......mop suit on hell-O
it was 33 last night when you left me there in my summer B,D,U. hello?
o.k. sure I lead the way yelling and screaming butt my leg was 2 times
bigger then your cadence. was it Not?

o.k. the real world.

Haven't been in a gym in over 6 years and I am never going back ever
agin...evan if I won the lottle.........
and call me Mr Dillion because my leg be chester...
butt I bike just fine. not a world class. butt in the real world.......

42°8'52"N,83°44'3"W.
45°275°N.
on the trail;
on the road;
or here I am:>😉
Have a good day.
Lowtuc Zow

Sore legs from jogging.

Gee, you should write a book about your unique experience with that.

You're like a swimmer who can't figure out why he's wet.

"Karl Hungus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I've been running indoors on a treadmill for most of this past winter.
Now
that the weather's gotten nice again, I ran outside yesterday for the
first
time in several months. I notice that not only did the run take a lot out
of me, but my knees are also somewhat stiff today. Nothing debilitating,
no
pain or anything, and they're maybe a little better now than they were
yesterday, but I'm wondering if this is normal . . .

Gosh, I'm totally new to running, but there is no comparison between outside
and treadmill. I started out 100% on the treadmill, and was discouraged to
go outside and find it so much more difficult, but now that my body is
adapting to "real life" conditions, it's much more enjoyable. If you can
pick a great place to run, with nice scenery, you can just focus on enjoying
the journey and not worry about pace or distance. Take your time and don't
pound your body.

The transition from softer surfaces to running outside on pavement was
pretty tough for me. If I had taken the good advice here from the
beginning, I would have gone much easier on myself, running slower and
taking more time for rest, and I wouldn't be injured now. So learn from my
mistakes. Ease into it slowly, and allow your body to adapt gradually to
the demands of running on different surfaces. Joints are not used to the
impact, and it takes awhile to grow into it. There is nothing like an
injury to take the fun out of it though!

"Discuss Useing" <[email hidden]> wrote

needle point showers, pump in music, bottle water the special candy
bars.
a billion plus money business. with billing shows on every second of
the day. with claims on ;
How you all our the best of the best evan too great to be in this real
world threats.

genetic weights and machines all design to make you fit fit and more
fit. The super human. Super man. The rush of pure greatness.
and

watch what nature well do to you now. I left the area for 1 run and I
hurt.

What do I do. what do I do.

what do you think you do.
" a fish out of water."
you get hurt.............

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More good stuff from our own Beat Poet....From Con-Does to the Cross.

Have a good one,

Dan
(With Chester Leg, but getting better)

"Christmas comes but once a year..." -- Alvin and the Chipmunks

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lowtuc said:

The real world?

The real world's here in New York, baby.

Lots of bikers; lots of gyms.

Karl,

That is normal. I bought a nice treadmill last year because I wanted
to avoid running in the snow and freezing temperatures. During the
winter months I was averaging 80+ miles a month with a high of around
96 miles a month. On the treadmill a was able to crank out 3 miles in
just under 19 minutes. I'm 37 so I'm not a spring chicken but I'm not
over the hill yet. I was pretty siked about my treadmill times. I then
ran a 5k in March, which was the first time I had run on pavement in 3
months. I warmed up and then ran a couple sprints in the parking lot
and felt like I was a lumber jack trying to stay up on those spinning
logs . Furthermore my 5k time was 2 minutes slower than what I was
doing on the treadmill. The pavement was a lot harder on my legs and
knees than I thought. I run so much better in a controlled environment
with a nice treadmill that absorbs alot of the force when running. I
think next winter that I'm going to run all winter on a higher
inclide. This seems to make the running on the treadmill much harder.
The higher the inclide though the harder it is on my body. I usually
don't take any days off during the winter when I was running on the
treadmill. So the increase in the incline could force me to take a day
off here and there to give my body some time to recover. After that
first 5k of the year I did move back to outdoor running. In the second
5K of the year I knocked a solid minute off from my first 5k of the
year so I don't feel so bad. I'm running in my third 5k of the year
this Sunday and I'm hoping to knock off 38 seconds. Doesn't sound like
much but knocking of seconds gets pretty hard when your running good
times to begin with. The best thing with the treadmill purchase is
that I'm right where I left off from last season. In fact the second
5k I ran in this year was faster than any of my times last year.

Readmill workouts are not running.

"Karl Hungus" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

I've been running indoors on a treadmill for most of this past
winter. Now that the weather's gotten nice again, I ran outside
yesterday for the first time in several months. I notice that
not only did the run take a lot out of me, but my knees are also
somewhat stiff today. Nothing debilitating, no pain or
anything, and they're maybe a little better now than they were
yesterday, but I'm wondering if this is normal . . .

It is. Running on a treadmill doesn't compare to running outside.
The treadmill does most of the work for you. You just have to jump
up a little and the belt will move under you all by itself. There's
almost no work involved.

"MarkH" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Quoted message said:

Nothing debilitating, no pain or
anything, and they're maybe a little better now than they were
yesterday, but I'm wondering if this is normal . . .

It is. Running on a treadmill doesn't compare to running outside.
The treadmill does most of the work for you. You just have to jump
up a little and the belt will move under you all by itself. There's
almost no work involved.

Hey, Mark. If you just jump up, you'll be thrown off the back end of the
'mill.

That's 'cause your foot is in contact with the moving belt as it pushes off
(or up in your case).

Try it sometime... :-)

You benefit from lack of wind resistance on the 'mill, a few percent at
6:00/mile, I think. In that sense, it's easier. I'd expect treadmill
intervals to be noticably easier because you lose the wind resistance.

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Karl Hungus said:

I've been running indoors on a treadmill for most of this past winter. Now
that the weather's gotten nice again, I ran outside yesterday for the first
time in several months. I notice that not only did the run take a lot out
of me, but my knees are also somewhat stiff today. Nothing debilitating, no
pain or anything, and they're maybe a little better now than they were
yesterday, but I'm wondering if this is normal . . .

I think I have said this before, but I would rather poke my eyes out
with ice picks than run on a treadmill. I would expect some soreness
with your body adjusting to running outside (and possibly in the
winter when you go back to the treadmill).

John

"D Stumpus" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

"MarkH" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It is. Running on a treadmill doesn't compare to running
outside. The treadmill does most of the work for you. You just
have to jump up a little and the belt will move under you all
by itself. There's almost no work involved.

Hey, Mark. If you just jump up, you'll be thrown off the back
end of the 'mill.

That's 'cause your foot is in contact with the moving belt as it
pushes off (or up in your case).

Try it sometime... :-)

Nah, that's a myth.

And there's no place to be thrown "off the back end". This 'mill
circles the Earth around the equator and is 100 miles wide. There
is no "back end" to it. Try to visualize it sometime....

Quoted message said:

You benefit from lack of wind resistance on the 'mill, a few
percent at 6:00/mile, I think. In that sense, it's easier. I'd
expect treadmill intervals to be noticably easier because you
lose the wind resistance.

That's all a myth. You don't really do any work on a treadmill,
that's what the electric motor is for. Everybody knows that.

(I guess Dan has completely missed the other treadmill thread. ;-))

"MarkH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"D Stumpus" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

"MarkH" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It is. Running on a treadmill doesn't compare to running
outside. The treadmill does most of the work for you. You just
have to jump up a little and the belt will move under you all
by itself. There's almost no work involved.

Hey, Mark. If you just jump up, you'll be thrown off the back
end of the 'mill.

That's 'cause your foot is in contact with the moving belt as it
pushes off (or up in your case).

Try it sometime... :-)

Nah, that's a myth.

And there's no place to be thrown "off the back end". This 'mill
circles the Earth around the equator and is 100 miles wide. There
is no "back end" to it. Try to visualize it sometime....

Yup it circles the earth because the sun flared out and is too dim, so now
it's too cold to support life on the dark side, even for one night. Thus the
necessity for a giant treadmill to keep up with the earth's rotation so that
the cities built upon it will have constant sunlight. Of course those who
misbehave are sent to the dark side of the mill, or let off on the planet
itself (gasp), which is why a second counter-rotating mill that is built on
the first mill is required. That's the only easy way to move to another part
of the main mill, and the only way to get off.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You benefit from lack of wind resistance on the 'mill, a few
percent at 6:00/mile, I think. In that sense, it's easier. I'd
expect treadmill intervals to be noticably easier because you
lose the wind resistance.

That's all a myth. You don't really do any work on a treadmill,
that's what the electric motor is for. Everybody knows that.

Yup, you don't need to maintain your momentum with running strides because
the electric motor is doing that for you. Just imagine for a moment if you
were able to suspend your weight above the treadmill -- you'd be able to
keep up with it. Thus no effort is really needed to keep up with the
treadmill. Your legs just spin. In fact it's just like spinning on bicycle
trainer on the easiest setting. Really it's imagined exercise as a placebo.

Quoted message said:

(I guess Dan has completely missed the other treadmill thread. ;-))

"Tony S." <[email hidden]> wrote

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"MarkH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And there's no place to be thrown "off the back end". This
'mill circles the Earth around the equator and is 100 miles
wide. There is no "back end" to it. Try to visualize it
sometime....

Yup it circles the earth because the sun flared out and is too
dim, so now it's too cold to support life on the dark side, even
for one night.

:-D

I see you've been on your pre-dinner run today. ;-)

"MarkH" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It is. Running on a treadmill doesn't compare to running
outside. The treadmill does most of the work for you. You just
have to jump up a little and the belt will move under you all
by itself. There's almost no work involved.

Ah, by your argument, one should be able to run much faster on a treadmill
than on the flat, right?

Since you can run 3 miles at low 6's, how much faster can you run on the
treadmill? 25%, 33%, 50%? After all there's almost no work involved, you
should have no trouble running much faster...I'll take that bet any day.
I'll make it even easier, just 1 minute/mile (18%) faster than on terra
firma. You run 3 x 5:15 miles on a treadmill (set level). Bet?

-- Dan

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"D Stumpus" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

"MarkH" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> It is. Running on a treadmill doesn't compare to running
> outside. The treadmill does most of the work for you. You
> just have to jump up a little and the belt will move under
> you all by itself. There's almost no work involved.

Ah, by your argument, one should be able to run much faster on a
treadmill than on the flat, right?

Since you can run 3 miles at low 6's, how much faster can you
run on the treadmill? 25%, 33%, 50%? After all there's almost
no work involved, you should have no trouble running much
faster...I'll take that bet any day. I'll make it even easier,
just 1 minute/mile (18%) faster than on terra firma. You run 3
x 5:15 miles on a treadmill (set level). Bet?

Ummm.... Dan...buddy... are you receiving any messages from this
group? Earlier today I tried to point you to the other treadmill
thread where this whole thing was hashed out and settled, once and
for all (one hopes).

Earth to Dan... Earth to Dan...

Tony said:

Yup it circles the earth because the sun flared out and is too dim, so
now it's too cold to support life on the dark side, even for one night.
Thus the necessity for a giant treadmill to keep up with the earth's
rotation so that the cities built upon it will have constant sunlight.

Ever read Niven's _Ringworld_?

Just a shot in the ... well, let's say on the cold half of your
treadmill.

MarkH said:

"Karl Hungus" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

I've been running indoors on a treadmill for most of this past
winter. Now that the weather's gotten nice again, I ran outside
yesterday for the first time in several months. I notice that
not only did the run take a lot out of me, but my knees are also
somewhat stiff today. Nothing debilitating, no pain or
anything, and they're maybe a little better now than they were
yesterday, but I'm wondering if this is normal . . .

It is. Running on a treadmill doesn't compare to running outside.
The treadmill does most of the work for you. You just have to jump
up a little and the belt will move under you all by itself. There's
almost no work involved.

bwahahahahaha !!! Nice one!

Cheers,
--
Elflord

MarkH said:

"D Stumpus" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

"MarkH" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

>> It is. Running on a treadmill doesn't compare to running
>> outside. The treadmill does most of the work for you. You
>> just have to jump up a little and the belt will move under
>> you all by itself. There's almost no work involved.

Ah, by your argument, one should be able to run much faster on a
treadmill than on the flat, right?

Since you can run 3 miles at low 6's, how much faster can you
run on the treadmill? 25%, 33%, 50%? After all there's almost
no work involved, you should have no trouble running much
faster...I'll take that bet any day. I'll make it even easier,
just 1 minute/mile (18%) faster than on terra firma. You run 3
x 5:15 miles on a treadmill (set level). Bet?

Ummm.... Dan...buddy... are you receiving any messages from this
group? Earlier today I tried to point you to the other treadmill
thread where this whole thing was hashed out and settled, once and
for all (one hopes).

Earth to Dan... Earth to Dan...

That's the thing about trolling on the treadmill. You just move your
legs up and down, and Dan furiously peddles the belt around for you. There's,
like, almost no work involved!

Cheers,
--
Elflord

Tony S. said:

"MarkH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"D Stumpus" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

"MarkH" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

> It is. Running on a treadmill doesn't compare to running
> outside. The treadmill does most of the work for you. You just
> have to jump up a little and the belt will move under you all
> by itself. There's almost no work involved.

Hey, Mark. If you just jump up, you'll be thrown off the back
end of the 'mill.

That's 'cause your foot is in contact with the moving belt as it
pushes off (or up in your case).

Try it sometime... :-)

Nah, that's a myth.

And there's no place to be thrown "off the back end". This 'mill
circles the Earth around the equator and is 100 miles wide. There
is no "back end" to it. Try to visualize it sometime....

Yup it circles the earth

You mean it goes from one end of the earth to the other ? How does that make a circle ?

Cheers,
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Elflord