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  1. James Hodson said:


    Horses for courses, IMO. Some things are more sensibly
    measured in imperial units whereas others make more sense
    when metric is used.

    Imperial works well for human measurements of height and
    weight. In my case, 12.5 stones and 6'00" makes more sense
    than ~=80 kg and 1.83m.

    Sorry James, but I fail to see why "12.5" is intrinsically
    easier to get to grips with than "80". And how is 5'8 1/4"
    easier intrinsically easier to work with than 1.73m?

    Quoted message said:

    Sometimes neither work particularly well: horses racing on
    their shorter courses are best measured in furlongs rather
    than by metres or multiples of 220 yards. Jet aircraft
    thrusts work better in both tons or tonnes rather than
    pounds or kilogrammes.

    Though the Kg is the base /ISO/ unit of mass, a tonne is a
    metric unit (1000 Kg or 1 Mg), so measuring jet thrust in
    tonnes is perfectly acceptable if you want to use metric. I
    don't see 200m is a difficult sort of number to get to grips
    with. Races are run in furlongs because of tradition,
    there's nothing peculiar to horse anatomy that you couldn't
    measure courses in 200m chunks and not really affect the
    racing, or perhaps you find the guinea is an intrinsically
    easier unit of currency than the pound or euro if you happen
    to be buying a horse?

    Quoted message said:

    Lowish altitudes are better measured in feet too. A
    cricket pitch's length is better understood when quoted in
    yards rather than metres or a chain.

    The Dutch don't have highish altitudes and manage okay in
    meters. A cricket pitch is defined in yards, but I'm sure
    the amount of people who actually mark them out could adjust
    easily enough: there aren't /that/ many of them. Cricket is
    actually played in places where yards aren't commonly used,
    yet they still manage to mark out the pitches and play.

    All the examples you've given of where non-metric is
    "better" are actually cases of familiarity rather than
    superiority. You're happier saying 12.5 stone, but OTOH
    someone from continental Europe will be happier saying 80
    Kg. Neither is easier, they are both acceptably easy if you
    work with them. And same for the others. I have to work with
    both, so I do. I'd prefer to work with just 1.

    Quoted message said:

    To be honest, I guess it really depends on when and
    where one was brought up and also on ones predilection
    for the modern versus the older. A case of "if it ain't
    bust ... ".

    But it /is/ bust. If I tell a German I weigh 12.5 stone
    they don't have a clue what I'm talking about (in fact an
    American wouldn't know what I was talking about!). Why
    would I want to? Well, my bike is German, and I may want to
    talk about it with the manufacturer. If you're only happy
    in imperial units you're pretty much snookered if you turn
    up at a builders' merchants these days. They don't do Cw
    bags any more.

    Quoted message said:

    The attitudes of keeping the mile at all costs and we must
    convert completely to metric are simply opposite sides of
    the same coin.

    Not really. One is realising we're in a backward minority
    and would be better in the broader picture not to be and one
    is clinging to the fact as if it's something to be proud of.
    With increasing globalisation we're not doing ourselves any
    favours clinging to a system that is used less and less.

    Quoted message said:

    Let's hear it for parsec.

    There are good reasons to use parallax seconds of arc if
    you're an astronomer. Or AU, or Light Years. Not so much for
    making stuff for export to the countries next door.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111
    ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382
    640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net
    [email hidden] dundee.ac.uk~pjclinch

  2. Ambrose Nankivell said:

    Gave my details: 64kg & 1.74m to some medics the other day
    and they were already looking it up on their translation
    table before they realised they didn't have to.

    Ambrose

    You're obviously both too small and too light for the
    medics' computors! :-)

    Having been practicing my hills recently, I can only be
    but envious.

    James

  3. Hi Both Peter and Roger

    You are both, or course, correct. I'm merely more
    comfortable wih certain units being used in certain
    situations.

    James

  4. In "]news:[email hidden],
    Roger Hughes
    <[email hidden]> typed:

    Quoted message said:

    the numbers themselves are not particularly important
    (except inasmuch as they will tend to determine
    psychological barriers, which is where this century (and
    that is entryist American cycling slang, too) thing comes
    in; likewise with getting under the hour or indeed,
    getting one's weight back down below 15 stone)

    More to the point, surely an imperial century(style thing)
    should be 144 miles or something like that anyway.

    A

  5. In "]news:[email hidden],
    Peter Clinch <[email hidden]> typed:

    Quoted message said:

    There are good reasons to use parallax seconds of arc if
    you're an astronomer. Or AU, or Light Years. Not so much
    for making stuff for export to the countries next door.


    Not got the cycle computer set to attoparsecs per
    microfortnight, then?

    A

  6. In "]news:[email hidden],
    James Hodson <[email hidden]> typed:

    Quoted message said:
    Ambrose Nankivell said:

    Gave my details: 64kg & 1.74m to some medics the other
    day and they were already looking it up on their
    translation table before they realised they didn't
    have to.

    Ambrose

    You're obviously both too small and too light for the
    medics' computors! :-)

    I've actually grown over the past 18 months or so from
    1.72m. I have, but the GP I mentioned it to told me that was
    impossible at the age of 26. Most annoying, as I already had
    bikes that were on the small side.

    I need to put on weight, too, without a doubt.

    Quoted message said:

    Having been practicing my hills recently, I can only be
    but envious.

    I'm envious of you having hills, but I guess I've not been
    trying on the bike recently. Now to go and fix that shifter.

    A

  7. Peter Clinch said:

    The Dutch don't have highish altitudes and manage okay
    in meters.

    We do need negative numbers though 🙂

    Roos

  8. Peter Clinch said:

    Sorry James, but I fail to see why "12.5" is intrinsically
    easier to get to grips with than "80". And how is 5'8 1/4"
    easier intrinsically easier to work with than 1.73m?

    And anyway, shouldn't weight be expressed in Newtons?

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    chapmancentral.co.ukchapmancentral.co.uk

  9. Ambrose Nankivell said:

    I've actually grown over the past 18 months or so from
    1.72m. I have, but the GP I mentioned it to told me that
    was impossible at the age of 26. Most annoying, as I
    already had bikes that were on the small side.

    Absolutely impossible, As was the fact that I grew nearly
    two inches in height after the age of 21.

    My current doctor says late growth is actually quite common
    in asthmatics.

    --
    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    chapmancentral.co.ukchapmancentral.co.uk

  10. James Hodson said:

    Hi Both Peter and Roger

    You are both, or course, correct. I'm merely more
    comfortable wih certain units being used in certain
    situations.

    I'm happier with miles if I'm driving, km walking, switch
    fairly interchangeably on the bike!

    I grant you it would be a major PITA for everyone to have to
    convert to "speaking" metric, but in the longer term it
    would cease to be a recurrent minor PITA on a regular basis,
    especially if you go anywhere else bar the USA (though if
    you go there don't forget their idea of a pint is 16 floz
    and not 20, they don't use stones, volume is in cubic inches
    while we flit between gallons and litres, and so on, and
    they don't play cricket either!).

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111
    ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382
    640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net
    [email hidden] dundee.ac.uk~pjclinch

  11. In "]news:[email hidden],
    Just zis Guy, you know? <[email hidden]> typed:

    Quoted message said:
    Peter Clinch said:

    Sorry James, but I fail to see why "12.5" is
    intrinsically easier to get to grips with than "80". And
    how is 5'8 1/4" easier intrinsically easier to work with
    than 1.73m?

    And anyway, shouldn't weight be expressed in Newtons?


    I believe people are more interested in their mass, even if
    that's not what they call it.

    A

  12. In "]news:[email hidden],
    Just zis Guy, you know? <[email hidden]> typed:

    Quoted message said:
    Ambrose Nankivell said:

    I've actually grown over the past 18 months or so from
    1.72m. I have, but the GP I mentioned it to told me that
    was impossible at the age of 26. Most annoying, as I
    already had bikes that were on the small side.

    Absolutely impossible, As was the fact that I grew nearly
    two inches in height after the age of 21.

    Particularly when it comes after an operation and serious
    illness involving my weight dropping beneath 40kg. That
    wouldn't confuse my body at all, would it?

    Quoted message said:

    My current doctor says late growth is actually quite
    common in asthmatics.

    I imagine my current doctor will agree when I see him
    tomorrow about an issue which is peripherally related. The
    previous one was incompetent and refused to prescribe me the
    drugs which would have avoided the above illness completely
    over a period of 3 months, preferring to spend the
    consultations accusing me of being an alcoholic instead.
    Because I mentioned I was too ill to drink any beer, a
    relevant symptom, IMHO.

    Anyway, I'm not bitter, honest.

    A

  13. you know? said:
    Peter Clinch said:

    Sorry James, but I fail to see why "12.5" is
    intrinsically easier to get to grips with than "80". And
    how is 5'8 1/4" easier intrinsically easier to work with
    than 1.73m?

    And anyway, shouldn't weight be expressed in Newtons?

    .... in contrast to Oldtons?

    --
    Michael MacClancy Random putdown - "A modest little person,
    with much to be modest about."- Winston Churchill
    www.macclancy.demon.co.uk www.macclancy.co.uk

  14. Ambrose Nankivell said:

    I believe people are more interested in their mass, even if
    that's not what they call it.

    Bollocks. It's their size that that interests them.

    James

  15. you know? said:

    Absolutely impossible, As was the fact that I grew nearly
    two inches in height after the age of 21.

    I was 6'00" at 13 and still am the same height. My weight,
    however, may have altered up and down over the years.

    James

  16. Ambrose Nankivell said:

    accusing me of being an alcoholic instead. Because I
    mentioned I was too ill to drink any beer, a relevant
    symptom, IMHO.

    Anyway, I'm not bitter, honest.

    Just lager than you were? I hop this doesn't tun into
    another pun thread; that would ale be a bit much.

    -dan

    --
    "please make sure that the person is your friend before
    you confirm"

  17. James Hodson said:

    Bollocks. It's their size that that interests them.

    While not wishing to downplay the importance of regular self-
    examination in the early detection of testicular cancer, I
    have to say that other than that I've never really worried
    about the size of mine; they seem to be big enough.

    -dan

    --
    "please make sure that the person is your friend before
    you confirm"

  18. In "]news:[email hidden],
    James Hodson <[email hidden]> typed:

    Quoted message said:
    Ambrose Nankivell said:

    I believe people are more interested in their mass, even
    if that's not what they call it.

    Bollocks. It's their size that that interests them.

    I'm not hugely concerned about the size of my bollocks,
    thanks 🙂 Spammers please take note.

    Yeah, it's more size than weight. I was just anti-pedanting
    Guy for slight amusement value.

    A

  19. In "]news:[email hidden],
    Daniel Barlow <[email hidden]> typed:

    Quoted message said:

    "Ambrose Nankivell"

    Quoted message said:

    accusing me of being an alcoholic instead. Because I
    mentioned I was too ill to drink any beer, a relevant
    symptom, IMHO.

    Anyway, I'm not bitter, honest.

    Just lager than you were? I hop this doesn't tun into
    another pun thread; that would ale be a bit much.

    I was going to draught you a reply, but I'm bottling it up
    now. Can't see the pint.

    A

  20. On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 12:42:19 +0100,

    James Hodson said:

    A cricket pitch's length is better understood when quoted
    in yards rather than metres or a chain.

    Well most people say 22 yards, but 1 chain is just as
    acceptable and very easy to understand - most people can
    count to one.

    --
    Andy Leighton => [email hidden] "The Lord is my
    shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials"
    - Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_

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