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  1. So, there I was flat benching 40 lb dumbbells this morning, my 8th and
    final set of chest. I've done these weights for months, always bang
    out 5-6 reps on the final set.

    Rep 1, Rep 2, pushing upward for rep 3.....suddenly both my arms just
    seemed to disappear....my hands stayed gripped around the weights, but
    both of them fell straight downward onto my chest and crashed into both
    breasts before I found my arms again and threw the weights off me onto
    the floor.

    I can't figure out what happened...but it was certainly scary and I
    ended my workout right there. This has never happened to me before in
    almost 20 years of working out. I'm sure I'll have some nasty bruises
    tomorrow. I'm glad I wasn't benching alone with a barbell.

  2. Deb said:

    So, there I was flat benching 40 lb dumbbells this morning, my 8th and
    final set of chest. I've done these weights for months, always bang
    out 5-6 reps on the final set.

    Rep 1, Rep 2, pushing upward for rep 3.....suddenly both my arms just
    seemed to disappear....my hands stayed gripped around the weights, but
    both of them fell straight downward onto my chest and crashed into both
    breasts before I found my arms again and threw the weights off me onto
    the floor.

    I can't figure out what happened...but it was certainly scary and I
    ended my workout right there. This has never happened to me before in
    almost 20 years of working out. I'm sure I'll have some nasty bruises
    tomorrow. I'm glad I wasn't benching alone with a barbell.

    Were you well aware of your breathing during this mishap?

    --
    spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

    I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
    neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
    hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
    marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
    transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
    http://www.abmdr.org.au/
    http://www.marrow.org/

  3. spodosaurus wrote:>

    Quoted message said:

    Were you well aware of your breathing during this mishap?

    Interesting thought. I probably wasn't, but I don't remember. I
    usually practice the "breathe out while pushing" philosophy. I assume
    I was still doing it. I do remember clearly screaming "[censored]!" when
    they landed on my chest though.

  4. How big are your breasts? and were they firm enough to take the blow
    without harm?

  5. Deb said:


    spodosaurus wrote:>

    Quoted message said:

    Were you well aware of your breathing during this mishap?

    Interesting thought. I probably wasn't, but I don't remember. I
    usually practice the "breathe out while pushing" philosophy. I assume
    I was still doing it. I do remember clearly screaming "[censored]!" when
    they landed on my chest though.

    Well, if today was a day when your performance was off and you were
    expecting to get those 5 or 6 reps (and you just had to, even though a
    double or triple was your max for that set and that day) you may have
    been tensing so much that you restricted your breathing and voila:
    *bump* "fsck" *bruise*

    --
    spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

    I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
    neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
    hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
    marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
    transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
    http://www.abmdr.org.au/
    http://www.marrow.org/

  6. Cancerous brain tumor. You're dead meat.

  7. "Deb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    So, there I was flat benching 40 lb dumbbells this morning, my 8th and
    final set of chest. I've done these weights for months, always bang
    out 5-6 reps on the final set.

    Rep 1, Rep 2, pushing upward for rep 3.....suddenly both my arms just
    seemed to disappear....my hands stayed gripped around the weights, but
    both of them fell straight downward onto my chest and crashed into both
    breasts before I found my arms again and threw the weights off me onto
    the floor.

    I can't figure out what happened...but it was certainly scary and I
    ended my workout right there. This has never happened to me before in
    almost 20 years of working out. I'm sure I'll have some nasty bruises
    tomorrow. I'm glad I wasn't benching alone with a barbell.

    OK Deb, here comes the mandatory safety lecture.

    It doesn't matter if you were using dumbells or a barbell. You need some
    basic safety equipment. I have rigged up all kinds of things over the years.
    40 lbs is fairly light and it would not take that much to stop it.

    If you are using a barbell, then a power rack or step racks will work. If
    you are using dumbells, you need something that attaches to the dumbells and
    to something above you strong enough to catch the weights if necessary.

    And it doesn't matter hao many years that you have worked out. I used to
    workin insurance and used to study accident reports. It is amazing the
    reports on tradespeople who have worked for twenty to thirty years without a
    problem make one little mistake. Then BAM, they get it.

    When working around machinery, basic safety protocol is to operate the
    machine so if you suddenly black out, you don't fall into active part that
    can harm you. It doesn't matter what you felt or perceived. If an injury
    occurs, it usually comes out of nowhere.

    This is what you do. Either find or build something that you can attach some
    safety straps to. This can be anything. A rafter or ceiling joist. Some
    other peice of equipment. A power rack. One thing I have built before was
    just basic bench with a 2 X 4 frame around the benching area. Put a couple
    eyebolts on top. Attach rope, webbing or whatever between the eyebolts and
    the dumbells. You can just loop the rope or webbing around the dumbell.

    That way if you lose it. it will just lightly touch the chest. The eyebolts
    are wide enough, that if you drop it, the weights will go out to the sides.
    It is not that hard to do. I have banged together something like this out of
    old wood in just a few moments.

    It doesn't matter what you have done in the past. Bench presses should
    always be done with some kind of safety support. Even with dumbells.

  8. Quoted message said:

    I'm sure I'll have some nasty bruises


    tomorrow.>

    Pics please?

  9. On 29 Jun 2005 08:58:36 -0700, "Deb" <[email hidden]> wrote
    in misc.fitness.weights:

    Quoted message said:

    So, there I was flat benching 40 lb dumbbells this morning, my 8th and
    final set of chest. I've done these weights for months, always bang
    out 5-6 reps on the final set.

    Rep 1, Rep 2, pushing upward for rep 3.....suddenly both my arms just
    seemed to disappear....my hands stayed gripped around the weights, but
    both of them fell straight downward onto my chest and crashed into both
    breasts before I found my arms again and threw the weights off me onto
    the floor.

    [censored] happens. Maybe you lost your concentration or your form. Maybe
    it's a Tooma.

    Quoted message said:


    I can't figure out what happened...but it was certainly scary and I
    ended my workout right there. This has never happened to me before in
    almost 20 years of working out. I'm sure I'll have some nasty bruises
    tomorrow. I'm glad I wasn't benching alone with a barbell.

    I'd ask for jpgs but that is bush league. I think a personal
    inspection is more in order:-) Also, I hope you started training at
    the age of 12 like I did.

    In all seriousness, what do you think happened or what do you think is
    the most plausible explanation?

  10. "Deb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    So, there I was flat benching 40 lb dumbbells this morning, my 8th and
    final set of chest. I've done these weights for months, always bang
    out 5-6 reps on the final set.

    Rep 1, Rep 2, pushing upward for rep 3.....suddenly both my arms just
    seemed to disappear....my hands stayed gripped around the weights, but
    both of them fell straight downward onto my chest and crashed into both
    breasts before I found my arms again and threw the weights off me onto
    the floor.

    I can't figure out what happened...but it was certainly scary and I
    ended my workout right there. This has never happened to me before in
    almost 20 years of working out. I'm sure I'll have some nasty bruises
    tomorrow. I'm glad I wasn't benching alone with a barbell.

    What are your training objectives? Strength? Hypertrophy? Are you doing 8
    sets of dumbell presses? What other chest exercises are you doing? Give me a
    rundown of your workout

  11. Deb said:

    So, there I was flat benching 40 lb dumbbells this morning, my 8th and
    final set of chest. I've done these weights for months, always bang
    out 5-6 reps on the final set.

    diiiiyam, a chick who can press 40# db's for several reps, not bad.
    All natural I presume? (insert lewd breast comment here)

    Mark

  12. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm sure I'll have some nasty bruises


    tomorrow.>

    Pics please?

    Sorry all...no bruises, no damage!

  13. Lee Michaels wrote:>

    Quoted message said:

    OK Deb, here comes the mandatory safety lecture.

    [snip safety lecture]

    understood, but it doesn't seem like I can rig something up like this
    at my gym as opposed to my own house, if I were working out there (I'm
    not).

    Also, it seems to me that the risk of injury in this type of activity
    (benching with 40 lb dumbbells) is small enough so that it is an
    "acceptable" level of risk, and doesn't make sense to discontinue the
    activity. Since I always lift over my chest and torso area, gravity
    brings the weights straight down (in a worst case scenario) and they
    don't land on my head or face, potentially killing me, but instead land
    on my torso, causing possibly bruising, or broken ribs. I do realize
    that there are cases of people dying from sudden blunt trauma to the
    chest in just the right place, causing their heart to stop, but that's
    very rare, correct?

  14. Quoted message said:

    Sorry all...no bruises, no damage!>

    I think you need a professional (me) to be the judge of that. No reason
    to take chances you know. Can't be too safe. I even wear 3 condoms, and
    that's now just on the PC.

  15. Quoted message said:

    Her gym may object to her construction crew.>

    I doubt anyone would even recognize "The Village People" anymore.

  16. Deb said:


    Lee Michaels wrote:>

    Quoted message said:

    OK Deb, here comes the mandatory safety lecture.

    [snip safety lecture]

    understood, but it doesn't seem like I can rig something up like this
    at my gym as opposed to my own house, if I were working out there (I'm
    not).

    Also, it seems to me that the risk of injury in this type of activity
    (benching with 40 lb dumbbells) is small enough so that it is an
    "acceptable" level of risk, and doesn't make sense to discontinue the
    activity. Since I always lift over my chest and torso area, gravity
    brings the weights straight down (in a worst case scenario) and they
    don't land on my head or face, potentially killing me, but instead land
    on my torso, causing possibly bruising, or broken ribs. I do realize
    that there are cases of people dying from sudden blunt trauma to the
    chest in just the right place, causing their heart to stop, but that's
    very rare, correct?

    It's a strange occurance for the weights to just drop like that. With my
    plan for the worst mentality, I do hope that it was just a breathing
    issue but I have to wonder if there's something more serious that
    could've been compounded by increased blood pressure (for example,
    aneurism). Also, if you hit your neck with those falling dumbbells,
    there're several unpleasant things that can happen leading to a very
    short, and final, workout.

    --
    spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

    I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
    neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
    hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
    marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
    transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
    http://www.abmdr.org.au/
    http://www.marrow.org/

  17. John Hanson said:

    I'd ask for jpgs but that is bush league. I think a personal
    inspection is more in order:-) Also, I hope you started training at
    the age of 12 like I did.

    In all seriousness, what do you think happened or what do you think is
    the most plausible explanation?

    I started working out at the age of 17, actually. That doesn't make me
    much older than you'd like me to be:-).

    Well, now that I've had some time to think about it, there were
    probably some "factors" that contributed to this incident.

    Number one, I skipped one week of chest after strictly keeping the same
    schedule for 7 months.

    Number 2, I was drinking a very strong mixture of iced coffee, sugar,
    and half and half that probably caused me to shake without realizing
    it.

    Number 3, I had just come out of a severe bout of depression that
    literally washed over me on Sunday morning and didn't lift until
    Tuesday afternoon...cause unknown. Never felt anything like that
    before. I'm consulting with my OB/GYN today, as a a matter of fact,
    about possible crazy hormone fluctuations that may have caused those
    horrible feelings. So, I'm thinking that my concentration could have
    been affected by it without me realizing it.

  18. [email hidden] wrote:>

    Quoted message said:

    diiiiyam, a chick who can press 40# db's for several reps, not bad.
    All natural I presume? (insert lewd breast comment here)

    Unfortunately, it's all natural.

  19. "Deb" wrote >

    Quoted message said:


    Lee Michaels wrote:>

    Quoted message said:

    OK Deb, here comes the mandatory safety lecture.

    [snip safety lecture]

    understood, but it doesn't seem like I can rig something up like this
    at my gym as opposed to my own house, if I were working out there (I'm
    not).

    Also, it seems to me that the risk of injury in this type of activity
    (benching with 40 lb dumbbells) is small enough so that it is an
    "acceptable" level of risk, and doesn't make sense to discontinue the
    activity. Since I always lift over my chest and torso area, gravity
    brings the weights straight down (in a worst case scenario) and they
    don't land on my head or face, potentially killing me, but instead land
    on my torso, causing possibly bruising, or broken ribs. I do realize
    that there are cases of people dying from sudden blunt trauma to the
    chest in just the right place, causing their heart to stop, but that's
    very rare, correct?

    If you train alone, in a commercial gym, there is any number of places that
    you can use a rope or sebbing based safeties. It is just a matter rigging
    something up after you found a place to put them. The power rack would be
    the obvious and easy choice here. Or you can always use the standard icky
    barbell bench press in the power rack.

    Again, going back to the power tool example. Always do your movements like
    the movement arm is going to fail. I advise all the folks I train to do the
    dumbell bench press to the side of the chest. I also have them use a
    parallel grip. When this is pressed to the top, there is almost full chest
    width between the dumbells. Alos lower the weight a little in front of the
    arms to reduce shoulder strain.

    This hits the chest quite well and allows you to dump the dumbells either
    consciously or using a "sudden collapse" mode. I have talked to a fair
    number of individuals over the years and the sudden collapse mode of
    movement failure is VERY common. If you suddenly lose it, it is not a slow,
    controlled or safe process.

    Since I have been through two extensive rehabs and have helped others
    through this process, I am a SAFETY FREAK. I don't want to create any more
    damage than necessary. What is so ironic to me is that many folks who talk
    about what is "reasonable" in terms of safety or exercise form, are actually
    using a less effective (and more dangerous) form of exercise.

    I am not going to follow you around and insist that you follow certain
    rules. But we all could use a safety check now and then. Good exercise
    form is a pretty good safety check in and of itself. Not trying to be your
    daddy here. Just try to learn from this experience and stay healthy. A
    little change may be a good thing for you. And to repeat that tired old
    mantra, train safely.

    Lee Michaels

  20. Lee Michaels wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I advise all the folks I train to do the
    dumbell bench press to the side of the chest. I also have them use a
    parallel grip. When this is pressed to the top, there is almost full chest
    width between the dumbells. Alos lower the weight a little in front of the
    arms to reduce shoulder strain.

    This hits the chest quite well and allows you to dump the dumbells either
    consciously or using a "sudden collapse" mode. I have talked to a fair
    number of individuals over the years and the sudden collapse mode of
    movement failure is VERY common. If you suddenly lose it, it is not a slow,
    controlled or safe process.

    Nothing wrong with being a safety freak. I like what you describe
    above - it seems that it would eliminate the problem I had when failing
    because the weights would not be hovering over my body at the point of
    failure. I'll give the new form a shot.

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