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  1. I want to thank everybody here for the technical and training help given
    to me during the past several months. This information was invaluable
    even if some of you guys did make fun of my high zoot wheels.

    I finished a difficult, all on hills, organized century which turned out
    to be 110 miles. The actual event was about 104 miles, but I took a
    wrong turn at the start adding some significant miles to *my* course.

    I learned a lot as I expected to do.

    1. I found my taking a lot of food as well as buying a hydration pack an
    error. There were many places along the way to fill up my water bottles
    and get food. I was packed with 3 liters of water and two boxes of Fig
    Newtons only to find the stands on the course had water, Gatorade, Fig
    Newtons, fruit and much more. I never cracked my personal supply of
    Newtons and ate so much fruit and Newtons along the way that I wasn't
    even hungry that night.

    2. My days distance running taught me that training is specific and that
    holds for bicycling too, it seems. This course was all on hills - some
    of them killer hills yet I trained 100% on flats. Thus I was greatly
    fatigued on some of the longer hills especially at the end.

    3. My greatest discomfort today is a sunburn. I failed to consider that
    the race was at high elevation and at 85-90 degrees (F!!!) which took
    its toll even as I was riding. Strangely, my seat and my legs are ok
    although my back is a bit sore. I think my bike stretches me a bit or
    maybe it's the several spinal surgeries I've had which are coming back
    to haunt me a bit. However, generally speaking, aside from the burn, I
    feel 100%.

    4. I was shocked at the number of folks who sagged out (including my two
    riding partners) due to non-mechanical issues. Apparently, based on my
    talking with other riders, folks enter an event like this to see how far
    they can go. Each year they compare conditions and how far they went
    with past years. There were hundreds of private cars on the road picking
    riders up as well as the official sag wagons. I thought the only reason
    for the sag wagons was for mechanical breakdowns. Many of the riders I
    engaged along the way would say stuff like, "I hope to make 75 miles
    this year - a personal record for me".

    5. I started out with my modest speed group of three when a fast peloton
    passed us. I thought my partners said to 'jump on' but it seems a rider
    from the group said this so I jumped on by mistake. That had my at the
    start of the race going 30 mph on the flats up to 42 mph on downhills
    which is MUCH faster than I'd ever ridden before. It was quite exciting
    until about mile 20 when I noted my partners were missing. So I dropped
    out and then hoped to re-attach to them which never occurred. This had
    me riding solo the last 85 or so miles giving me no train to hang on to
    for the windy open sections to come. Also I started out the race a bit
    more tired than I should have been at roughly 25 miles. Overall, I'd say
    I was troubled more by wind, blowing dust, vast open stretches and sun
    than the ride itself.

    ....again, thanks to this group for its invaluable help. Oh, at risk of
    starting something, I did buy a $15 helmet because the race demanded it.
    I wasn't nearly as bothered wearing it as I thought I would be. I did
    fit in.

    -paul

  2. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Paul Cassel said:

    I want to thank everybody here for the technical and training help
    given to me during the past several months. This information was
    invaluable even if some of you guys did make fun of my high zoot
    wheels.

    I finished a difficult, all on hills, organized century which turned
    out to be 110 miles. The actual event was about 104 miles, but I took
    a wrong turn at the start adding some significant miles to *my*
    course.

    Congratulations.

    Quoted message said:

    I learned a lot as I expected to do.

    1. I found my taking a lot of food as well as buying a hydration pack
    an error. There were many places along the way to fill up my water
    bottles and get food. I was packed with 3 liters of water and two
    boxes of Fig Newtons only to find the stands on the course had water,
    Gatorade, Fig Newtons, fruit and much more. I never cracked my
    personal supply of Newtons and ate so much fruit and Newtons along
    the way that I wasn't even hungry that night.

    Experience teaches what to carry. I tend to carry little, since there
    are usually places to stop and get something along the way. Convenience
    stores often live up to their name! On an organized ride, there are
    almost always rest stops with food supplied. I've volunteered for years
    on one such ride, and the planning committees for these rides always
    think in terms of the least experienced rather than most experience
    riders. Unless you're doing a PAC Tour, but that's a horse of another
    color.

    Quoted message said:

    2. My days distance running taught me that training is specific and
    that holds for bicycling too, it seems. This course was all on hills
    - some of them killer hills yet I trained 100% on flats. Thus I was
    greatly fatigued on some of the longer hills especially at the end.

    Some of that is training on hills, some of that is learning how to ride
    hills. There is a mental aspect to climbing that you can only learn by
    climbing, and there is a physical aspect of learning how to use your
    gears so that you find the cadence that works best for you, and climbing
    style (seated, standing, etc). If you live in a flat area, you can
    simulate training for climbing by getting out to ride on the windy days
    and plowing into the headwind for miles at a time.

    Quoted message said:

    3. My greatest discomfort today is a sunburn. I failed to consider
    that the race was at high elevation and at 85-90 degrees (F!!!) which
    took its toll even as I was riding. Strangely, my seat and my legs
    are ok although my back is a bit sore. I think my bike stretches me a
    bit or maybe it's the several spinal surgeries I've had which are
    coming back to haunt me a bit. However, generally speaking, aside
    from the burn, I feel 100%.

    Good. So while it was a challenge you didn't actually overextend
    yourself.

    Quoted message said:

    4. I was shocked at the number of folks who sagged out (including my
    two riding partners) due to non-mechanical issues. Apparently, based
    on my talking with other riders, folks enter an event like this to
    see how far they can go. Each year they compare conditions and how
    far they went with past years. There were hundreds of private cars on
    the road picking riders up as well as the official sag wagons. I
    thought the only reason for the sag wagons was for mechanical
    breakdowns. Many of the riders I engaged along the way would say
    stuff like, "I hope to make 75 miles this year - a personal record
    for me".

    Wow. There's an attitude of which I was unaware. I start every ride
    with the intention of completing it, and so does everyone else I know.

    Quoted message said:

    5. I started out with my modest speed group of three when a fast
    peloton passed us. I thought my partners said to 'jump on' but it
    seems a rider from the group said this so I jumped on by mistake.
    That had my at the start of the race going 30 mph on the flats up to
    42 mph on downhills which is MUCH faster than I'd ever ridden before.
    It was quite exciting until about mile 20 when I noted my partners
    were missing. So I dropped out and then hoped to re-attach to them
    which never occurred. This had me riding solo the last 85 or so miles
    giving me no train to hang on to for the windy open sections to come.
    Also I started out the race a bit more tired than I should have been
    at roughly 25 miles. Overall, I'd say I was troubled more by wind,
    blowing dust, vast open stretches and sun than the ride itself.

    Wind is the hardest thing, IMHO. Now,I'm a big heavy guy (6'4" and 215
    lbs) so I don't get blown around as much as some of the little guys.
    But plowing into a stiff headwind for 25 miles still sucks. I'd rather
    climb- usually the scenery improves and you know that you'll reach the
    top and be done climbing. I've been on out-and-back rides with over 60
    miles into a 25 mph headwind. Yeecchh.

  3. Paul Cassel said:

    1. I found my taking a lot of food as well as buying a hydration pack an
    error. There were many places along the way to fill up my water bottles
    and get food. I was packed with 3 liters of water and two boxes of Fig
    Newtons only to find the stands on the course had water, Gatorade, Fig
    Newtons, fruit and much more.

    They might not have had any FN's for you. So you take something you're
    used to eating, and potluck if you want. Centuries, all volunteer,
    stuff happens and even water can be missing.

    Quoted message said:

    Overall, I'd say
    I was troubled more by wind, blowing dust, vast open stretches and sun
    than the ride itself.

    Not to mention the hills <g>.

    Quoted message said:

    Oh, at risk of
    starting something, I did buy a $15 helmet because the race demanded it.
    I wasn't nearly as bothered wearing it as I thought I would be. I did
    fit in.

    The expensive helmets are even more comfy IME. (<g>😉 --D-y

  4. Paul Cassel said:

    I finished a difficult, all on hills, organized century which turned out
    to be 110 miles.

    You made it. As you noted, that's more than a lot of the participants
    can say.

    To me, it looks like your training regimen was close enough to right
    that you could finish. Now you have a better idea of what to include
    in order to improve the result next year if you want to get to the end
    sooner...but the ride's the thing, and if keeping score is less
    important than just being there, you've already won.
    --
    Typoes are a feature, not a bug.
    Some gardening required to reply via email.
    Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

  5. Paul Cassel said:

    I want to thank everybody here for the technical and training help given
    to me during the past several months. This information was invaluable
    even if some of you guys did make fun of my high zoot wheels.

    I finished a difficult, all on hills, organized century which turned out
    to be 110 miles. The actual event was about 104 miles, but I took a
    wrong turn at the start adding some significant miles to *my* course.

    I learned a lot as I expected to do.

    1. I found my taking a lot of food as well as buying a hydration pack an
    error. There were many places along the way to fill up my water bottles
    and get food. I was packed with 3 liters of water and two boxes of Fig
    Newtons only to find the stands on the course had water, Gatorade, Fig
    Newtons, fruit and much more. I never cracked my personal supply of
    Newtons and ate so much fruit and Newtons along the way that I wasn't
    even hungry that night.

    It's wise to bring at least some food in case you hit the wall between
    food-stops, and it isn't unheard of that the arrangers of such an event
    run out of food or water. It's also important to eat well after such an
    event to speed recovery and avoid soreness. I'm a big fan of high
    (relatively) protein diets particularly post-event. Cottage-cheese is
    my favorite. I eat as much as I want of whatever else, then shove down
    a few cups of cottage-cheese. I'm never sore after events, and I think
    the protein diet has something to do with that.

    Quoted message said:

    2. My days distance running taught me that training is specific and that
    holds for bicycling too, it seems. This course was all on hills - some
    of them killer hills yet I trained 100% on flats. Thus I was greatly
    fatigued on some of the longer hills especially at the end.

    The specific mental aspects of climbing, and the technique, but not the
    fitness nor potential ability. Body-type plays into the equation too.
    In my experience it is easier to maintain a constant output on a hill
    than on the flat due to the more linear nature of the resistance. This
    also makes it easier to overexert yourself. On the flats if you back
    off even a tad, you lose speed and the resistance drops way down.
    Likewise, speed increases are almost impossible because the resistance
    goes up so sharply, so you sort find an oscillating equilibrium by
    bouncing against your upper limit. On hills for me it is very easy to
    suddenly find myself pushing just a tad too hard, and I blow up, unless
    I carefully pace myself. This may be hogwash, but it is how I see it.

    Quoted message said:

    3. My greatest discomfort today is a sunburn. I failed to consider that
    the race was at high elevation and at 85-90 degrees (F!!!) which took
    its toll even as I was riding. Strangely, my seat and my legs are ok
    although my back is a bit sore. I think my bike stretches me a bit or
    maybe it's the several spinal surgeries I've had which are coming back
    to haunt me a bit. However, generally speaking, aside from the burn, I
    feel 100%.

    Fair skinned people should make sure to have enough sun-screen. I often
    wear long-sleeves even in very hot conditions to not have to deal with
    it. I wouldn't think there was anything strange about having a slightly
    sore back after your first century. Particularly if you have had back
    surgery! Back pain is probably more related to hours in the saddle than
    distance/effort. But if long distance is your thing, you may want to
    relax your position a bit. If you think you are too stretched out, you
    probably are.

    Quoted message said:

    4. I was shocked at the number of folks who sagged out (including my two
    riding partners) due to non-mechanical issues. Apparently, based on my
    talking with other riders, folks enter an event like this to see how far
    they can go. Each year they compare conditions and how far they went
    with past years. There were hundreds of private cars on the road picking
    riders up as well as the official sag wagons. I thought the only reason
    for the sag wagons was for mechanical breakdowns. Many of the riders I
    engaged along the way would say stuff like, "I hope to make 75 miles
    this year - a personal record for me".

    I think it's nice to see people who apparently cannot go the distance,
    trying anyway. More folks on bikes enjoying the sport. Around here
    these seems to be so much "performance-angst" that only very fit people
    even bother with these sorts of rides. And that's sort of a shame (and
    not just because it means I always end up in the bottom 1/3!)

    Quoted message said:

    5. I started out with my modest speed group of three when a fast peloton
    passed us. I thought my partners said to 'jump on' but it seems a rider
    from the group said this so I jumped on by mistake. That had my at the
    start of the race going 30 mph on the flats up to 42 mph on downhills
    which is MUCH faster than I'd ever ridden before. It was quite exciting
    until about mile 20 when I noted my partners were missing. So I dropped
    out and then hoped to re-attach to them which never occurred. This had
    me riding solo the last 85 or so miles giving me no train to hang on to
    for the windy open sections to come. Also I started out the race a bit
    more tired than I should have been at roughly 25 miles. Overall, I'd say
    I was troubled more by wind, blowing dust, vast open stretches and sun
    than the ride itself.

    It can be quite exhilarating to ride in a fast group. Also quite
    dangerous if the group is made up of folks who haven't much experience
    in a fast group. Be very wary of everyone's conduct including your own.
    If it seems a dangerous group, opt out. I also try to always stay on
    the right side toward the edge of the road (RH roads!) even if the
    winds are unfavorable there. I'd much rather bail into a field or even
    a fence-post than an oncoming car in the event of a mass wipe-out.

    Headwind suffering is also somewhat body-type related, but a good aero
    position can make a huge difference. The "cool-pro" forearms on the
    tops works well for me at low speeds without many others around.

    Quoted message said:

    ...again, thanks to this group for its invaluable help. Oh, at risk of
    starting something, I did buy a $15 helmet because the race demanded it.
    I wasn't nearly as bothered wearing it as I thought I would be. I did
    fit in.

    Glad you had fun, and I hope you enjoy many more such rides!

    Joseph

  6. Paul Cassel said:

    I want to thank everybody here for the technical and training help
    given to me during the past several months. This information was
    invaluable even if some of you guys did make fun of my high zoot
    wheels.
    I finished a difficult, all on hills, organized century which turned
    out to be 110 miles. The actual event was about 104 miles, but I took
    a wrong turn at the start adding some significant miles to *my*
    course.
    I learned a lot as I expected to do.

    1. I found my taking a lot of food as well as buying a hydration pack
    an error. There were many places along the way to fill up my water
    bottles and get food. I was packed with 3 liters of water and two
    boxes of Fig Newtons only to find the stands on the course had water,
    Gatorade, Fig Newtons, fruit and much more. I never cracked my
    personal supply of Newtons and ate so much fruit and Newtons along
    the way that I wasn't even hungry that night.

    2. My days distance running taught me that training is specific and
    that holds for bicycling too, it seems. This course was all on hills
    - some of them killer hills yet I trained 100% on flats. Thus I was
    greatly fatigued on some of the longer hills especially at the end.

    3. My greatest discomfort today is a sunburn. I failed to consider
    that the race was at high elevation and at 85-90 degrees (F!!!) which
    took its toll even as I was riding. Strangely, my seat and my legs
    are ok although my back is a bit sore. I think my bike stretches me a
    bit or maybe it's the several spinal surgeries I've had which are
    coming back to haunt me a bit. However, generally speaking, aside
    from the burn, I feel 100%.

    4. I was shocked at the number of folks who sagged out (including my
    two riding partners) due to non-mechanical issues. Apparently, based
    on my talking with other riders, folks enter an event like this to
    see how far they can go. Each year they compare conditions and how
    far they went with past years. There were hundreds of private cars on
    the road picking riders up as well as the official sag wagons. I
    thought the only reason for the sag wagons was for mechanical
    breakdowns. Many of the riders I engaged along the way would say
    stuff like, "I hope to make 75 miles this year - a personal record
    for me".
    5. I started out with my modest speed group of three when a fast
    peloton passed us. I thought my partners said to 'jump on' but it
    seems a rider from the group said this so I jumped on by mistake.
    That had my at the start of the race going 30 mph on the flats up to
    42 mph on downhills which is MUCH faster than I'd ever ridden before.
    It was quite exciting until about mile 20 when I noted my partners
    were missing. So I dropped out and then hoped to re-attach to them
    which never occurred. This had me riding solo the last 85 or so miles
    giving me no train to hang on to for the windy open sections to come.
    Also I started out the race a bit more tired than I should have been
    at roughly 25 miles. Overall, I'd say I was troubled more by wind,
    blowing dust, vast open stretches and sun than the ride itself.

    ...again, thanks to this group for its invaluable help. Oh, at risk of
    starting something, I did buy a $15 helmet because the race demanded
    it. I wasn't nearly as bothered wearing it as I thought I would be. I
    did fit in.

    Great account, thanks!

    Most people pick an "easy" century for their first one, but now you've done
    it. You'll probably be searching out harder and harder stuff from now on!
    (Unlike, say, ME 🙂 )

    Bill "one water bottle and a Gu, plus any 'layers' is all ya need" S.

  7. Tim McNamara said:


    Some of that is training on hills, some of that is learning how to ride
    hills. There is a mental aspect to climbing that you can only learn by
    climbing, and there is a physical aspect of learning how to use your
    gears so that you find the cadence that works best for you, and climbing
    style (seated, standing, etc). If you live in a flat area, you can
    simulate training for climbing by getting out to ride on the windy days
    and plowing into the headwind for miles at a time.

    I also learned that some of it is having the proper gearing for the
    slope. I and many others didn't have the gearing needed for this ride or
    at least I could have used a lower gearing such as would have come from
    a compact setup.

    Quoted message said:

    Good. So while it was a challenge you didn't actually overextend
    yourself.

    Yeah. I went out to feel the distance and did so. I was a bit sluggish
    climbing stairs today, but not in any way disabled. However, I was very
    ready to end the ride when I crossed the finish line.

    Quoted message said:


    Wow. There's an attitude of which I was unaware. I start every ride
    with the intention of completing it, and so does everyone else I know.

    This is one which still has me baffled, but I checked and others confirm
    that many dropped out and had no intention of riding the 105 miles. They
    planned on quitting and had their personal sag wagons there for that duty.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Wind is the hardest thing, IMHO. Now,I'm a big heavy guy (6'4" and 215
    lbs) so I don't get blown around as much as some of the little guys.
    But plowing into a stiff headwind for 25 miles still sucks. I'd rather
    climb- usually the scenery improves and you know that you'll reach the
    top and be done climbing. I've been on out-and-back rides with over 60
    miles into a 25 mph headwind. Yeecchh.

    I doubt the wind ever hit a full 25 head on, but it was there and so was
    blowing dust which isn't common except in desert areas like where I am.
    My riding companion said she saw a small woman blown off the road and
    who fell due to a dust devil.

    I'm skeptical that a headwind is the same as uphill due to my strong
    belief in specificity, but if it's what I have I'll take it. Actually, I
    do have hills, but chose not to take those routes due to them having
    some traffic. A foul diesel passing me will ruin a good piece of my
    mindset.

    -paul

  8. Quoted message said:

    They might not have had any FN's for you. So you take something you're
    used to eating, and potluck if you want. Centuries, all volunteer,
    stuff happens and even water can be missing.

    I pass this on FWIW. This was the Santa Fe Century and while all but one
    stand was presided over by volunteer organizations, the supplies were
    uniform. That is, except for one booth which didn't seem to have water
    or gatorade. I can't figure that one out.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    The expensive helmets are even more comfy IME. (<g>😉 --D-y

    Maybe someday I'll know that too <g>

    -paul

  9. Werehatrack said:

    On Mon, 22 May 2006 07:16:51 -0600, Paul Cassel

    Quoted message said:


    To me, it looks like your training regimen was close enough to right
    that you could finish. Now you have a better idea of what to include
    in order to improve the result next year if you want to get to the end
    sooner...but the ride's the thing, and if keeping score is less
    important than just being there, you've already won.

    I had a great training routine until I crashed into religion <g>. I
    guess the base was enough.

  10. Quoted message said:


    The specific mental aspects of climbing, and the technique, but not the
    fitness nor potential ability. Body-type plays into the equation too.
    In my experience it is easier to maintain a constant output on a hill
    than on the flat due to the more linear nature of the resistance. This
    also makes it easier to overexert yourself. On the flats if you back
    off even a tad, you lose speed and the resistance drops way down.
    Likewise, speed increases are almost impossible because the resistance
    goes up so sharply, so you sort find an oscillating equilibrium by
    bouncing against your upper limit. On hills for me it is very easy to
    suddenly find myself pushing just a tad too hard, and I blow up, unless
    I carefully pace myself. This may be hogwash, but it is how I see it.

    My friend who is highly experienced stated it a bit more poetically. He
    said you fall into your climb and get within yourself. Then you can just
    maintain indefinitely. I found that to be true. I gauge my climbing
    poorly based on folks who passed me and who I then passed later on. Thus
    I conclude my climbing was poorer than my other riding. I was much
    faster downhills than others which I attribute to my bicycle.

    Quoted message said:

    Fair skinned people should make sure to have enough sun-screen. I often
    wear long-sleeves even in very hot conditions to not have to deal with
    it. I wouldn't think there was anything strange about having a slightly
    sore back after your first century. Particularly if you have had back
    surgery! Back pain is probably more related to hours in the saddle than
    distance/effort. But if long distance is your thing, you may want to
    relax your position a bit. If you think you are too stretched out, you
    probably are.

    I feel it only after a few hours in the saddle. Since I've had several
    serious back surgeries, I expect a bit of discomfort in most of what I
    do. Here, the pain wasn't debilitating only remarkable that here I am
    riding a long distance and finding aches in my back and due to a simple
    sunburn (unanticipated problem)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    I think it's nice to see people who apparently cannot go the distance,
    trying anyway. More folks on bikes enjoying the sport. Around here
    these seems to be so much "performance-angst" that only very fit people
    even bother with these sorts of rides. And that's sort of a shame (and
    not just because it means I always end up in the bottom 1/3!)

    I had no issues with folks stopping, only surprise. For example, both my
    partners quit due to fatigue which I don't consider a quiting reason,
    but they do.

    In three weeks we have a local century ride which I may do with my
    daughter. She's happy at 50 miles, but not in condition to even try 100
    so I'll enter (if she wants to) the 50 miler and finish rather than the
    100 and stop at 52.

    Hey, people pay their fee, they can stop after .5 miles for all I care.
    I was just surprised coming from distance running where, if one trains
    for a marathon, one seriously tries to finish if entered. There was
    never talk at the finish of a marathon like, "I did 18 miles this time,
    but only 16 the last. I feel good".

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ...again, thanks to this group for its invaluable help. Oh, at risk of
    starting something, I did buy a $15 helmet because the race demanded it.
    I wasn't nearly as bothered wearing it as I thought I would be. I did
    fit in.

    Glad you had fun, and I hope you enjoy many more such rides!


    Probably will. I'm one day after and still enthusiastic.

  11. Sorni said:

    Great account, thanks!

    Most people pick an "easy" century for their first one, but now you've done
    it. You'll probably be searching out harder and harder stuff from now on!
    (Unlike, say, ME 🙂 )

    Bill "one water bottle and a Gu, plus any 'layers' is all ya need" S.


    Heck, I'm now searching for that one that's 100% downhill. If you find
    any, you know where I am.

    -paul

  12. Paul Cassel said:

    I want to thank everybody here for the technical and training help given
    to me during the past several months. This information was invaluable
    even if some of you guys did make fun of my high zoot wheels.

    I finished a difficult, all on hills, organized century which turned out
    to be 110 miles. The actual event was about 104 miles, but I took a
    wrong turn at the start adding some significant miles to *my* course.

    I learned a lot as I expected to do.


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    -paul

    Congratulations Paul, well done! Here's to many more...

    Regards,

    bookieb

  13. Paul Cassel said:
    Quoted message said:


    The specific mental aspects of climbing, and the technique, but not the
    fitness nor potential ability. Body-type plays into the equation too.
    In my experience it is easier to maintain a constant output on a hill
    than on the flat due to the more linear nature of the resistance. This
    also makes it easier to overexert yourself. On the flats if you back
    off even a tad, you lose speed and the resistance drops way down.
    Likewise, speed increases are almost impossible because the resistance
    goes up so sharply, so you sort find an oscillating equilibrium by
    bouncing against your upper limit. On hills for me it is very easy to
    suddenly find myself pushing just a tad too hard, and I blow up, unless
    I carefully pace myself. This may be hogwash, but it is how I see it.

    My friend who is highly experienced stated it a bit more poetically. He
    said you fall into your climb and get within yourself. Then you can just
    maintain indefinitely. I found that to be true. I gauge my climbing
    poorly based on folks who passed me and who I then passed later on. Thus
    I conclude my climbing was poorer than my other riding. I was much
    faster downhills than others which I attribute to my bicycle.

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    Fair skinned people should make sure to have enough sun-screen. I often
    wear long-sleeves even in very hot conditions to not have to deal with
    it. I wouldn't think there was anything strange about having a slightly
    sore back after your first century. Particularly if you have had back
    surgery! Back pain is probably more related to hours in the saddle than
    distance/effort. But if long distance is your thing, you may want to
    relax your position a bit. If you think you are too stretched out, you
    probably are.

    I feel it only after a few hours in the saddle. Since I've had several
    serious back surgeries, I expect a bit of discomfort in most of what I
    do. Here, the pain wasn't debilitating only remarkable that here I am
    riding a long distance and finding aches in my back and due to a simple
    sunburn (unanticipated problem)

    I had a lower lumbar diskectomy (I'm no doctor, please excuse the
    spelling) about three years ago. I can ride all day without pain. But,
    the minute I'm done with the ride, standing straight up is a chore,
    usually taking a minute or two to fix. I did buy a Trek Pilot 5.0 for
    its geometry of the handles being higher up. Love the bike, not the back!

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    I think it's nice to see people who apparently cannot go the distance,
    trying anyway. More folks on bikes enjoying the sport. Around here
    these seems to be so much "performance-angst" that only very fit people
    even bother with these sorts of rides. And that's sort of a shame (and
    not just because it means I always end up in the bottom 1/3!)

    I had no issues with folks stopping, only surprise. For example, both my
    partners quit due to fatigue which I don't consider a quiting reason,
    but they do.

    In three weeks we have a local century ride which I may do with my
    daughter. She's happy at 50 miles, but not in condition to even try 100
    so I'll enter (if she wants to) the 50 miler and finish rather than the
    100 and stop at 52.

    Hey, people pay their fee, they can stop after .5 miles for all I care.
    I was just surprised coming from distance running where, if one trains
    for a marathon, one seriously tries to finish if entered. There was
    never talk at the finish of a marathon like, "I did 18 miles this time,
    but only 16 the last. I feel good".

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    ...again, thanks to this group for its invaluable help. Oh, at risk of
    starting something, I did buy a $15 helmet because the race demanded it.
    I wasn't nearly as bothered wearing it as I thought I would be. I did
    fit in.

    Glad you had fun, and I hope you enjoy many more such rides!


    Probably will. I'm one day after and still enthusiastic.

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    Heck, I'm now searching for that one that's 100% downhill. If you find
    any, you know where I am.

    Next month (cripes, that soon?) I'm doing the road bike leg of the
    Mountains-to-Sound relay here in Seattle. The first leg is a 23 mile MTB
    from the top of Snoqualmie Pass on a converted rail bed. That's followed by
    a 50-miler that's largely a gentle downhill, with a climb at the beginning
    and another at the end. If your team doesn't do the combined rides in 5
    hours, your team is DSQed. (After that, it's a 12 mile kayak, a
    half-marathon and a 10K run).

  15. Paul Cassel said:

    I pass this on FWIW. This was the Santa Fe Century (snip)

    New Mexico? --D-y

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    Paul Cassel said:

    I pass this on FWIW. This was the Santa Fe Century (snip)

    New Mexico? --D-y


    Y

  17. Hank Wirtz said:

    "Paul Cassel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Heck, I'm now searching for that one that's 100% downhill. If you find
    any, you know where I am.

    Next month (cripes, that soon?) I'm doing the road bike leg of the
    Mountains-to-Sound relay here in Seattle. The first leg is a 23 mile MTB
    from the top of Snoqualmie Pass on a converted rail bed. That's followed by
    a 50-miler that's largely a gentle downhill, with a climb at the beginning
    and another at the end. If your team doesn't do the combined rides in 5
    hours, your team is DSQed. (After that, it's a 12 mile kayak, a
    half-marathon and a 10K run).


    I wanted to get to WA this summer to visit friends there. If I can get
    it together to make the trip and get my bike there, I'd like to do this.
    While it makes more sense to get a local bike to ride, I'd prefer my
    bike in any ride.

    My trip is currently canceled because the guy I was to ride up there
    with (on motorcycles) crashed and is hurt. I've got a buddy in WA who
    would do either leg if I could do the other. I'll ask him about it.

    As far as feeling tired, aside from the sunburn which is going away, I
    could ride another this weekend. I took it easy as planned.

    -paul

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