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  1. Though I'd struggled to a 47miler previously, I'd then
    kicked myself for not making it a 50...

    So, yesterday, we sauntered out a bit earlier (about 1pm),
    with the intention of meeting the local CTC group(s) at the
    planned tea-stop. Earlier, because it meant I could ride
    slower (apparently their ride set a blistering pace, so
    good job we didn't go with them!) - although I could keep
    up with them initially, after a while I'd run out of legs
    and couldn't manage hills or recover afterwards... we kept
    to about 10-12mph for the most part, though obviously hills
    slowed things down, and the other side of hills speeded
    things up ;-) It felt very slow compared to what I'd done
    with the CTC (more like 14-15mph on relatively flat bits)
    but the idea was to make the distance at a speed I could
    manage and not be exhausted by! I was hoping to get home
    not feeling like that was it and no more cycling was
    possible, too.

    Had a great day out cycling around cambridgeshire - though
    somewhat frustrating to be braking whilst freewheeling up a
    hill cos the better half doesn't get as fast as I do down
    the previous hill... I'm very loathe to waste my momentum by
    braking when it can carry me part way up the next hill ;-)

    As was mentioned here, some of the problems do indeed seem
    to be fuel-related. I stuck OJ in the water (probably about
    1/3 OJ to 2/3 water) which was a good ratio, and had fairly
    good legs for a while.

    Made it up the hill from Six Mile Bottom toward the turnoff
    for Dullingham in one go (previously I've stopped on it -
    one through no more legs, once for the excuse of a camera
    shot of 'look how far/long this hill is I've cycled up'😉,
    which was a nice acheivement. Wasn't sure I'd make it, but
    it's another acheivement notched up!

    Then it was lunch at a pub in Dullingham at about 2.30/3pm,
    very nice in the sun - and then back off at about 3.30 to
    head round a wiggly route to Thurlow, where the CTC tea stop
    was. Few more hills, and I had NOTHING in the legs for the
    first half an hour or so - which was quite concerning!! Then
    the food seemed to kick in, and I was champing at the bit
    again (albeit still on a slower pace than the previous rides
    with the CTC). Hills were definitely harder but still
    manageable, I was very concious that I didn't want to
    destroy the legs I had by exhausting them on hills so tried
    to balance wanting to get to the top with being aware that
    for the good of the legs (and getting the 50 miles in) I
    might have to be defeated and stop halfway up one or two of
    them.. but it didn't happen. I also found I was able to talk
    while cycling along, something which previously I'd found
    hard/impossible - though talking while going up hills still
    doesn't happen ;-)

    With the tea stop coming up earlier than 5, and not quite
    enough miles done yet, we took a detour and looped around to
    slot in a few more miles, and arrived dead on 5pm at The
    [censored] in Thurlow. Very nice spread laid on by them,
    consisting of sandwiches and much cake - and I was pretty
    hungry again by then! Was good to meet up with the CTCers,
    and also good to find out we'd made the right decision to
    cycle on our own instead of with them - I just wouldn't have
    lasted the distance at their pace, even if I could have kept
    up for a while!!

    Back on the bike and again the dead legs set in - nothing in
    them for another half an hour or so, which was very
    frustrating. The bum was starting to make itself known by
    now too, as were the hands - but they quickly faded again
    once the legs were battling up hills.

    Interestingly, I discovered that in the post-stop no-energy-in-
    legs phase, my heart rate was nowhere near as high as it
    would be previously when the lactic acid started in the legs
    - still not quite sure what that means, but it was
    interesting to compare it to when the legs had a bit more
    oomph in them and the lactic acid wouldn't start till a
    higher heart rate was reached.

    We took a fairly direct route back to cambridge, since I was
    uncertain just how much was left in my legs, but once at Six
    Mile Bottom again we continued out to Quy, and then along
    the river to see the new cycle bridge over the A14.

    It's quite steep, but I'd say not much steeper than the one
    over the railway lines by the station - though it looks it,
    and is certainly longer. Slightly odd bollard placement on
    the south side - cyclists avoid each other on the paths for
    the most part, why put a bollard in to reduce the space, and
    on a slight kink in the path, too...

    Then it was back to the outskirts of cambridge and home -
    just over 50 miles in all - and what's more, I think
    given another top-up of fuel, I could have managed
    another 10 miles or so - I was tired, but not exhausted
    to the point of losing co-ordination/concentration, as
    has happened before!!!

    So, eating more and regularly during the ride does seem to
    be the key to keeping my legs working. Just need a few more
    of these and to master the hills a bit more, and I'll be set
    for my big challenge - the London to Cambridge (I seem to
    have said yes to doing this, erk!)

    Have to say thanks to those who gave suggestions after my
    last ride post here, all much appreciated and very useful!
    The idea of doing 100 miles is now starting to germinate
    somewhere in the dark recesses of my mad mind...

    --

    Velvet

  2. Velvet <[email hidden]> wrote:

    : Interestingly, I discovered that in the post-stop
    : no-energy-in-legs

    Everyone suffers this. The body decides "ah, exercise
    stopped" after about 10 mins IME so you need to warm up
    again.

    Arthur

    --
    Arthur Clune clune.orgclune.org "Technolibertarians make a
    philosophy out of a personality defect"
    - Paulina Borsook

  3. Velvet said:

    Had a great day out cycling around cambridgeshire - though
    somewhat frustrating to be braking whilst freewheeling up
    a hill cos the better half doesn't get as fast as I do
    down the previous hill...

    The thing to do is use all your momentum and then wait for
    him at the top. Only good reason to brake going up a hill is
    for safety.

    Quoted message said:

    As was mentioned here, some of the problems do indeed seem
    to be fuel-related. I stuck OJ in the water (probably
    about 1/3 OJ to 2/3 water) which was a good ratio, and had
    fairly good legs for a while.

    A little salt can help too: you lose a fair bit during the
    day and that contributes to muscle cramping. Though it
    makes it taste a bit odd (okay, pretty bogging!) at first
    as you start using up salt it actually tastes better! The
    better rehydration drinks taste slightly salty for this
    very reason.

    Quoted message said:

    So, eating more and regularly during the ride does seem to
    be the key to keeping my legs working.

    And of course eating and drinking more during the ride gets
    a lot easier if you're completely happy with one handed
    riding: you don't lose momentum every time you need a break,
    though having said that breaks can be good too.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111
    ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382
    640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net
    [email hidden] dundee.ac.uk~pjclinch

  4. "Velvet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Though I'd struggled to a 47miler previously, I'd then
    kicked myself for not making it a 50...

    <snip great ride report - apologies ;-)

    Quoted message said:


    Have to say thanks to those who gave suggestions after my
    last ride post here, all much appreciated and very useful!
    The idea of doing 100 miles is now starting to germinate
    somewhere in the dark recesses of my mad mind...

    --

    Velvet

    Congrats on another milestone reached.... I find unsalted
    peanuts combined with mixed dried fruit to be the ideal
    fuel, along with water (or juiced water for variety)...can't
    beat it. The mixed dried fruit gives immediate energy and
    peanuts last for the next couple of hours....remember
    burning peanuts in the lab at school??..they'd burn for
    hours!! - that's energy that is!..just make sure it's chewed
    well before swallowing and a couple of handfuls of each
    should last for a good 2-3 hours. I use 'em on long road
    rides and mountain biking epic rides..

    Also remember heavy bulky foods will cause diversion of
    blood to stomach for digestion purposes...not what you want
    too much of when you're trying to use legs (biggest muscles
    you've got) for cycling

    Go for it, 100 miles will be no problem!!...(easy for me to
    say, eh? ;-)

    All the best,

    Dave.

  5. On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:50:48 GMT, Velvet <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Had a great day out cycling around cambridgeshire - though
    somewhat frustrating to be braking whilst freewheeling up
    a hill cos the better half doesn't get as fast as I do
    down the previous hill... I'm very loathe to waste my
    momentum by braking when it can carry me part way up the
    next hill ;-)

    I thought that a *Cambridgeshire Hill* was an oxymoron !!!

  6. Arthur Clune said:
    Velvet said:

    Interestingly, I discovered that in the post-stop
    no-energy-in-legs

    Everyone suffers this. The body decides "ah, exercise
    stopped" after about 10 mins IME so you need to warm
    up again.

    Arthur

    I thumbed through a book in Waterstones last week entitled
    'How to be a long distance cyclist' or something, it said
    don't stop for more than 10 minutes or else you'll cool down
    too much - I rarely do anyway.

  7. Gonzalez said:
    Velvet said:

    Had a great day out cycling around cambridgeshire - though
    somewhat frustrating to be braking whilst freewheeling up
    a hill cos the better half doesn't get as fast as I do
    down the previous hill... I'm very loathe to waste my
    momentum by braking when it can carry me part way up the
    next hill ;-)

    I thought that a *Cambridgeshire Hill* was an oxymoron !!!

    Not in my books, but I've been informed by my better half
    (and companion on the ride) that we actually spent quite a
    lot of time in Suffolk... and it was that part of it that
    most of the hills were (though the climb out of Six Mile
    Bottom is definitely a hill, though I've no idea if that is
    actually in or out of cambridgeshire).

    Besides. The Gog Magog hills are in cambyshire. And they're
    definitely hills that I'd:

    a) not try cycling up yet,
    b) would defeat me if I did.

    Oh, and then there's the hills near to them, between Cherry
    Hinton and (er?) the Shelfords? They count as hills too,
    though I've managed to cycle up them in the past with
    varying degrees of success, I think I'd manage them in one
    go these days from the improvements I've made.

    I don't care that they're not on quite the same scale as the
    north downs (where I live) or that they're not the Penines
    or Dales (where some of you lot live) but to me there's
    plenty of hills around cambridgeshire, ta very much :-P

    --

    Velvet

  8. in message <[email hidden]>, Gonzalez

    (') said:
    Velvet said:

    Had a great day out cycling around cambridgeshire - though
    somewhat frustrating to be braking whilst freewheeling up
    a hill cos the better half doesn't get as fast as I do
    down the previous hill... I'm very loathe to waste my
    momentum by braking when it can carry me part way up the
    next hill ;-)

    I thought that a *Cambridgeshire Hill* was an oxymoron !!!

    We've had this before, with Norfolk. Please don't start it
    again. Flatness is relative. Cambridgeshire is not as flat
    as... as... as a very, very, very flat thing. OK?

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke)
    jasmine.org.uk~simon

    Morning had broken, and there was nothing left for
    us to do but pick up the pieces.

  9. Velvet said:

    Not in my books, but I've been informed by my better half
    (and companion on the ride) that we actually spent quite a
    lot of time in Suffolk... and it was that part of it that
    most of the hills were (though the climb out of Six Mile
    Bottom is definitely a hill, though I've no idea if that
    is actually in or out of cambridgeshire).

    Well inside Cambridgeshire. FYI the climb about 1km to the
    south is a lot more pleasant with much less car traffic. You
    can turn left onto the Dullingham Road too, or continue to
    Weston Colville. Stop at the top of the first crest for a
    good view north.

    Quoted message said:

    Besides. The Gog Magog hills are in cambyshire. And
    they're definitely hills that I'd:

    a) not try cycling up yet,
    b) would defeat me if I did.

    If you can do the Six Mile Bottom/Brinkley climb you should
    have no problem with the road over the Gogs.

    Quoted message said:

    Oh, and then there's the hills near to them, between
    Cherry Hinton and (er?) the Shelfords?

    Lime Kiln Road? Horrible lorry traffic, I avoid it!

    Mike

  10. Mike Causer said:
    Velvet said:

    Not in my books, but I've been informed by my better half
    (and companion on the ride) that we actually spent quite a
    lot of time in Suffolk... and it was that part of it that
    most of the hills were (though the climb out of Six Mile
    Bottom is definitely a hill, though I've no idea if that
    is actually in or out of cambridgeshire).

    Well inside Cambridgeshire. FYI the climb about 1km to the
    south is a lot more pleasant with much less car traffic.
    You can turn left onto the Dullingham Road too, or
    continue to Weston Colville. Stop at the top of the first
    crest for a good view north.

    Quoted message said:

    Besides. The Gog Magog hills are in cambyshire. And
    they're definitely hills that I'd:

    a) not try cycling up yet,
    b) would defeat me if I did.

    If you can do the Six Mile Bottom/Brinkley climb you
    should have no problem with the road over the Gogs.

    Didn't do the 6mile right to brinkly, we turned left to
    dullingham before the next climb up... then right at the end
    of that t-junction...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Oh, and then there's the hills near to them, between
    Cherry Hinton and (er?) the Shelfords?

    Lime Kiln Road? Horrible lorry traffic, I avoid it!

    Ah, but at weekends? But I agree, not a nice road to cycle,
    given what I've seen from driving it.. but I was thinking
    more of the roads over the top from the bottom of the gog
    magogs/lime kiln roundabout and assosciated A road (I'm not
    actually from camby, hence my rather sketchy knowledge of
    road numbers!)

    Quoted message said:

    Mike

    --

    Velvet

  11. On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:16:47 GMT, Velvet <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Gonzalez said:
    Velvet said:

    Had a great day out cycling around cambridgeshire -
    though somewhat frustrating to be braking whilst
    freewheeling up a hill cos the better half doesn't get as
    fast as I do down the previous hill... I'm very loathe to
    waste my momentum by braking when it can carry me part
    way up the next hill ;-)

    I thought that a *Cambridgeshire Hill* was an
    oxymoron !!!

    Not in my books, but I've been informed by my better half
    (and companion on the ride) that we actually spent quite a
    lot of time in Suffolk... and it was that part of it that
    most of the hills were (though the climb out of Six Mile
    Bottom is definitely a hill, though I've no idea if that is
    actually in or out of cambridgeshire).

    Besides. The Gog Magog hills are in cambyshire. And they're
    definitely hills that I'd:

    a) not try cycling up yet,
    b) would defeat me if I did.

    The Gog Magog hills rise to 74m above sea level: the road
    rises to 71m. Addenbrookes Hospital is at 15m. The hospital
    is 3000m from the crest of the road, so the average road
    gradient is about 2%. Looking at the 1:25,000 map, even the
    maximum gradient doesn't seem to be above 5%.

    The high point on the road between The Shelfords and Cherry
    Hinton is 43m.

    None of the above are hills. They are undulations - and
    that's pushing it!

    Quoted message said:

    Oh, and then there's the hills near to them, between Cherry
    Hinton and (er?) the Shelfords? They count as hills too,
    though I've managed to cycle up them in the past with
    varying degrees of success, I think I'd manage them in one
    go these days from the improvements I've made.

    I don't care that they're not on quite the same scale
    as the north downs (where I live) or that they're not
    the Penines or Dales (where some of you lot live) but
    to me there's plenty of hills around cambridgeshire, ta
    very much :-P

    They're not even on the scale of South East London.
    Shooters' Hill rises to 120m.

  12. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a) not try cycling up yet,
    b) would defeat me if I did.

    Hills you believe you cannot climb you will not climb. Hills
    you believe you can climb; you will climb.

    Honest guv. Trust me.

    Brian

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Simon Brooke said:

    We've had this before, with Norfolk. Please don't start it
    again. Flatness is relative. Cambridgeshire is not as flat
    as... as... as a very, very, very flat thing. OK?

    What, has it crinkled up since I graduated?

    --
    Nick Kew

  14. On 14/6/04 10:35 pm, in article [email hidden],

    Gonzalez said:

    None of the above are hills. They are undulations - and
    that's pushing it!

    Or FFF in my book (Flat for Fife)..

    ..d

  15. Mike Causer said:

    On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:16:47 +0000, Velvet wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    If you can do the Six Mile Bottom/Brinkley climb you
    should have no problem with the road over the Gogs.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Oh, and then there's the hills near to them, between
    Cherry Hinton and (er?) the Shelfords?

    Lime Kiln Road? Horrible lorry traffic, I avoid it!

    When Velvet refers to the road over the gogs I think she's
    referring to Lime Kiln Rd not the road between Fulbourn and
    Addenbrooke's. The roads from the Shelfords reference is to
    the two roads that go between Hills Rd and the Shelfords.

  16. Velvet said:

    Didn't do the 6mile right to brinkly, we turned left to
    dullingham before the next climb up... then right at the
    end of that t-junction...

    You made 2/3rds of the height gain, and were past the
    steepest part. C'mon give yourself some credit ;-)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Lime Kiln Road? Horrible lorry traffic, I avoid it!

    Ah, but at weekends? But I agree, not a nice road to
    cycle, given what I've seen from driving it.. but I was
    thinking more of the roads over the top from the bottom of
    the gog magogs/lime kiln roundabout and assosciated A road
    (I'm not actually from camby, hence my rather sketchy
    knowledge of road numbers!)

    Heffers, Borders or Waterstones will sell you OS 1:25,000
    maps 209 and 210, which will show you lots of roads you
    never knew existed in the area. Sometimes a bit of local
    knowledge is needed to know which have the bad traffic (eg
    Lime Kiln Road looks innocuous), but by and large they're a
    big help. In this case you may be thinking of the road from
    the A1307 roundabout to the Shelfords, which is very easy.
    OS Grid references work a lot better than road numbers for
    this sort of thing..

    Mike

  17. Simon Proven said:
    Mike Causer said:

    On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:16:47 +0000, Velvet wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    If you can do the Six Mile Bottom/Brinkley climb you
    should have no problem with the road over the Gogs.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Oh, and then there's the hills near to them, between
    Cherry Hinton and (er?) the Shelfords?

    Lime Kiln Road? Horrible lorry traffic, I avoid it!

    When Velvet refers to the road over the gogs I think she's
    referring to Lime Kiln Rd not the road between Fulbourn
    and Addenbrooke's. The roads from the Shelfords reference
    is to the two roads that go between Hills Rd and the
    Shelfords.

    I was actually referring both to lime kiln road and the
    fulbourn/addenbrookes road, being both fairly substantial
    hills in their own rights :-)

    Oh, and yes, also referring to the ones further over toward
    the shelfords.

    Thankyou :-)

    --

    Velvet

  18. David Martin said:

    On 14/6/04 10:35 pm, in article
    [email hidden], "Gonzalez"

    Quoted message said:

    None of the above are hills. They are undulations - and
    that's pushing it!

    Or FFF in my book (Flat for Fife)..

    ..d

    Look, my definition of a hill is something I can't cycle up
    without putting in a fair bit of effort.

    I live on the north downs, I've been to Scotland, Yorkshire,
    Lakes/Peaks
    - I appreciate what hills can be like, but that doesn't mean
    cambridge doesn't have any.

    Fit cyclists that go hareing up mountainsides and call them
    hills, and dismiss anything else as being undulations or
    equally of no substance can (put politely) go crank
    themselves.

    I post here with a very positive experience with cycling,
    and then you lot (not all of you, I know) pick it apart and
    tell me they're not hills, inferring a real cyclist would
    call it a flat ride, well sprockets to the lot of you - I
    had a good time, I enjoyed myself, and I did better than I
    thought I would, and improved over what I've managed before.

    Maybe if there were fewer snobs in cycling trying to
    belittle the achievements of others there might be a few
    more of us willing to give it a go.

    <mutter mutter paving slab faerie invocation mutter mutter>

    --

    Velvet

  19. Mike Causer said:
    Velvet said:

    Didn't do the 6mile right to brinkly, we turned left to
    dullingham before the next climb up... then right at the
    end of that t-junction...

    You made 2/3rds of the height gain, and were past the
    steepest part. C'mon give yourself some credit ;-)

    I was? blimey, didn't realise that. Next time shan't turn
    off then :-)

    Quoted message said:


    Heffers, Borders or Waterstones will sell you OS 1:25,000
    maps 209 and 210, which will show you lots of roads you
    never knew existed in the area. Sometimes a bit of local
    knowledge is needed to know which have the bad traffic (eg
    Lime Kiln Road looks innocuous), but by and large they're
    a big help. In this case you may be thinking of the road
    from the A1307 roundabout to the Shelfords, which is very
    easy. OS Grid references work a lot better than road
    numbers for this sort of thing..

    Mike

    Yes, I have one of those, but I navigate by landmarks rather
    than road names, simply because of the sheer amount of
    driving I do - it tends to be easier to remember by
    visualisation rather than names.. I only come a cropper when
    trying to describe it to someone else ;-) Yes, that (and the
    one further into cambridge but the same road, running
    parallel to
    it) is the road I meant.

    It wasn't at all easy when I did it :-) But then I was
    completely unfit at that point.

    --

    Velvet

  20. Velvet said:

    Fit cyclists that go hareing up mountainsides and call
    them hills, and dismiss anything else as being undulations
    or equally of no substance can (put politely) go crank
    themselves.

    I post here with a very positive experience with cycling,
    and then you lot (not all of you, I know) pick it apart
    and tell me they're not hills, inferring a real cyclist
    would call it a flat ride, well sprockets to the lot of
    you - I had a good time, I enjoyed myself, and I did
    better than I thought I would, and improved over what I've
    managed before.

    And you know that better than anyone, which is kewl.

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe if there were fewer snobs in cycling trying to
    belittle the achievements of others there might be a few
    more of us willing to give it a go.

    On the other hand, this fat unfit bloke lives in a hilly
    area, where any route that isn't on the valley floor
    involves 200-350m climbs. I'm rather partial to descriptions
    of routes that involve 75m climbs as "hills", because it
    makes me feel Very Smug Indeed at the routes I've managed.

    :-)

    --
    Keith Willoughby flat222.orgkeith They're parking
    camels where the taxis used to be

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