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  1. I realise that news is selected and reported for its shock value but
    this takes the biscuit.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4537001.stm

    A man who ran out of taxi fare after a stag night was hit by four
    different vehicles as he walked along a dual carriageway, an inquest has
    heard.

    No-one involved stopped to help in what the deputy coroner of Merthyr
    Tydfil called a "tale of inhumanity".

    One motorist pulled over to remove clothing from the front of his car
    before driving off.

    Mark Flanagan, 31, of Rhymney Valley, was killed on the A465 last June.
    An accidental death verdict was recorded.

    The inquest was told Mr Flanagan was initially hit by a Mitsubishi
    Shogun Pinin, driven by David Davies, a Merthyr shopkeeper.

    Mr Davies, 58, who had been on a Saturday night out in Swansea, told the
    court on Wednesday that he heard a "big bang" and noticed his wing
    mirror had fallen off.

    "I didn't see anyone in front of me and I didn't feel anything," he
    said. "There was no-one in my line of view."

    The coroner asked him why he did not stop and he said he dismissed the
    fact that there was someone in the middle of nowhere "miles from
    anywhere in the pitch dark".

    But the accident had been witnessed by four people in a jeep, which was
    travelling behind the Mitsubishi.

    Driver Sean Williams said he had seen the Shogun overtook them and then
    saw an object flying into the air.

    "I didn't see brake lights and it didn't stop," said Mr Williams. "I
    swerved and then I shouted - I think he's just hit someone."

    They decided to try to get the registration details but as they were on
    their way their vehicle broke down and they called the police.

    I was hysterical - I didn't know what to do, so I got back in the car
    and drove off"
    Motorist Amy Hamber

    In the meantime, Mr Flanagan was hit by a minibus, being driven by Emlyn
    Gardiner, from Tredegar, who was carrying passengers back from a night
    out in Swansea.

    He said he thought he had driven over a black bin bag and his passengers
    said that they were all woken up after a "large bump".

    Then Amy Hamber, 19, at the time a barmaid from Blaina, was in a Peugeot
    205, with friends when she thought she had hit a speed bump before
    realising it was a body.

    "I knelt down by him and put my hand on his arm and then I panicked,"
    she told the inquest.

    "I was hysterical. I didn't know what to do, so I got back in the car
    and drove off."

    She then went on to a house party before going to police station the
    next day with her father.

    A fourth motorist, Geraint Davies, a 20-year-old factory worker, from
    Gelli, Rhondda, reduced his speed and saw what he thought was a bag of
    rubbish in the road.

    He told the inquest that "just before I went over it, I knew it was a
    body ".

    He said his girlfriend and friend were both hysterical at this point and
    so he drove off.

    Mr Davies added: "A few yards up the road, I found something under the
    car, so I stopped and there was clothing under the front wheel, so I
    managed to pull it out and kicked it to the side of the road."

    He did not report the accident to the police until the following Tuesday.

    Jeff Thomas, Deputy Coroner of Merthyr Tydfil, said it "was a tale of
    inhumanity involving a cast of four".

    He said he would be writing to the Crown Prosecution Service in an
    effort to re-evaluate the case.

    Pathologist Dr Deborah Cooke said the cause of death was multiple injuries.

    Although the victim was the equivalent of three and a half times the
    drink-drive limit, she concluded that he had been standing at the time
    of the first impact and had been hit from behind.

    Apologised

    The court also heard that Mr Flanagan had been out in Swansea on a stag
    night with his brothers and friends when he became separated and tried
    to get a taxi back to his home in Fochrhiw.

    But he only had £33 on him and the taxi driver Peter Davies quoted him a
    fare of up to £60.

    Mr Flanagan had initially declined the taxi but later on, Mr Davies
    spotted him and he agreed to take him as far as his money would allow him.

    He was dropped at a spot known near Glynneath, on a slip-road near the
    main Heads of the Valleys road.

    Taxi driver Mr Davies, 47, from Swansea, during the inquest apologised
    to the family and said: "This is something I have got to deal with for
    the rest of my life. If I could turn back the clock, I'd have taken the
    gentleman all the way home."

    After the inquest, Mr Flanagan's sister Sandra Kent said the motorists
    who drove off "should be disgusted with themselves".

  2. Not Responding said:

    I realise that news is selected and reported for its shock value but
    this takes the biscuit.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4537001.stm

    A man who ran out of taxi fare after a stag night was hit by four
    different vehicles as he walked along a dual carriageway, an inquest has
    heard.

    Par for the course in 21st century Britain. I blame Thatcher, because,
    after all, there is no such thing as society, is there?

  3. Quoted message said:

    Even so it does leave me speechless that not one of them had the wit to slap
    their 'hysterical' friends and phone the police.

    hmm, interesting... and of course, none of them would have been aware
    that they were merely the next, rather than the first, to hit the poor
    [censored], so they drove away from a man who (for all they knew) could
    have been alive and a candidate for medical help/recovery.

    Which makes them all heartless murderous twunts, obviously...

    Tony B

    PS this threasd is SO disheartening, anyone got any good news to
    report?? Please??

  4. "Tony B" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Even so it does leave me speechless that not one of them had the wit to
    slap
    their 'hysterical' friends and phone the police.

    hmm, interesting... and of course, none of them would have been aware that
    they were merely the next, rather than the first, to hit the poor [censored],
    so they drove away from a man who (for all they knew) could have been
    alive and a candidate for medical help/recovery.

    Which makes them all heartless murderous twunts, obviously...

    It.s impossible to cause murder while driving a car, at most it will be
    death by dangerous driving and since none of those involved were driving
    dangerously nothing can be done.

  5. Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as Lee Bringer
    <[email hidden]> gently breathed:

    Quoted message said:


    "Tony B" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Even so it does leave me speechless that not one of them had the wit to
    slap
    their 'hysterical' friends and phone the police.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    hmm, interesting... and of course, none of them would have been aware that
    they were merely the next, rather than the first, to hit the poor [censored],
    so they drove away from a man who (for all they knew) could have been
    alive and a candidate for medical help/recovery.

    Which makes them all heartless murderous twunts, obviously...

    Quoted message said:

    It.s impossible to cause murder while driving a car,

    Not actually true, as while mowing down an entire bus queue on purpose
    would probably still only get a six month ban, you could always pull out
    an illegal gun and shoot someone as you ran them down, just to make
    sure...

    Quoted message said:

    at most it will be
    death by dangerous driving and since none of those involved were driving
    dangerously nothing can be done.

    It's more to do with the general breakdown in "society" that is the
    result of living in huge conurbations. There was an experiment some
    years ago involving someone pretending to be seriously ill in a small
    village street, and then in (IIRC) Manhattan. In the village he was
    instantly offered help, in the city people stepped over him and kept
    going.

    --
    - Pyromancer Stormshadow.
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    http://www.littlematchgirl.co.uk <-- Electronic Metal!
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  6. Tony B said:

    PS this threasd is SO disheartening, anyone got any good news to
    report?? Please??

    I've just got myself a Thorn Raven Tour with a Schmidt dyno hub,
    carbon fibre bars, bar ends and seat post.

    I'm in love....

  7. On Wed, 11 May 2005 18:46:47 +0100 someone who may be Not Responding
    <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4537001.stm

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    "I was hysterical. I didn't know what to do, so I got back in the car
    and drove off."

    She then went on to a house party before going to police station the
    next day with her father.

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    He told the inquest that "just before I went over it, I knew it was a
    body ".

    He said his girlfriend and friend were both hysterical at this point and
    so he drove off.

    Mr Davies added: "A few yards up the road, I found something under the
    car, so I stopped and there was clothing under the front wheel, so I
    managed to pull it out and kicked it to the side of the road."

    He did not report the accident to the police until the following Tuesday.

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    He said he would be writing to the Crown Prosecution Service in an
    effort to re-evaluate the case.

    I hope they will be re-evaluating what I presume is their failure to
    take any action with regard to these fine specimens of human beings.

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E
    I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government
    prevents me by using the RIP Act 2000.

  8. Pyromancer said:

    Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as Lee Bringer
    <[email hidden]> gently breathed:

    Quoted message said:


    "Tony B" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    > Even so it does leave me speechless that not one of them had the wit to
    > slap
    > their 'hysterical' friends and phone the police.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    hmm, interesting... and of course, none of them would have been aware
    that they were merely the next, rather than the first, to hit the poor
    [censored], so they drove away from a man who (for all they knew) could
    have been alive and a candidate for medical help/recovery.

    Which makes them all heartless murderous twunts, obviously...

    Quoted message said:

    It.s impossible to cause murder while driving a car,

    Not actually true, as while mowing down an entire bus queue on purpose
    would probably still only get a six month ban, you could always pull out
    an illegal gun and shoot someone as you ran them down, just to make
    sure...

    Just waving a toy gun will do.

    --
    Brian Wakem

  9. Lee Bringer said:


    "Tony B" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    It.s impossible to cause murder while driving a car, at most it will be
    death by dangerous driving and since none of those involved were driving
    dangerously nothing can be done.

    I don't think that's true. While it won't be murder if you 'happen'
    to kill someone with a car, certainly, if you plan to kill someone
    using a car, and then do so, and it can be shown that was your planned
    intention, it would still be murder.

    Whether the courts are likely to believe it, is more difficult, but I
    wouldn't expect it to be impossible.

    regards, Ian SMith

  10. Quoted message said:

    PS this threasd is SO disheartening, anyone got any good news to
    report?? Please??

    Driving home at 2am I saw a drunk collapsed at the side of the road.
    Knowing the road didn't have any pavements for the next ten miles I stopped
    and gave him a lift home.

    Funny thing was, although dead grateful, he couldn't work out why I'd done
    it.

  11. On 11/5/05 10:57 pm, in article
    [email hidden], "Mark Thompson"

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    PS this threasd is SO disheartening, anyone got any good news to
    report?? Please??

    Driving home at 2am I saw a drunk collapsed at the side of the road.
    Knowing the road didn't have any pavements for the next ten miles I stopped
    and gave him a lift home.

    I stopped on my way home at 0dark30 one morning to render assistance to a
    young gentleman who was sprawled into the nearside lane of the road. He
    seemed reasonably grateful.

    Ever since someone froze to death 200m from their house just 1km away from
    me (in the middle of the suburbs, its not all wild moorlands and heather[1])
    I have been a bit more conscientious about making sure my fellow man is at
    least concious and not in immediate danger. In this case it was persuading
    him to get out of the road and on the move. Having hitchiked along the road
    from betws-y-coed to capel curig, I can imagine how this tragedy happened,
    though it all comes down to people looking where they are going.

    ...d

    [1] though heather can be a bit wild at times.. ooh err missus..

  12. What seems about right is the clueless "female driving small car" thinking
    (or at least claiming she thought) she'd gone over a speed bump. On a
    dual carraigeway.

    AJ

  13. in message <[email hidden]>, Ian Smith

    (') said:
    Lee Bringer said:


    "Tony B" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:[email hidden]...

    It.s impossible to cause murder while driving a car, at most it will
    be death by dangerous driving and since none of those involved were
    driving dangerously nothing can be done.

    I don't think that's true. While it won't be murder if you 'happen'
    to kill someone with a car, certainly, if you plan to kill someone
    using a car, and then do so, and it can be shown that was your planned
    intention, it would still be murder.

    Like the chap who deliberately drove his range rover over a cyclist with
    a toddler in a trailer in a road rage attack? Charged, as I recall,
    with 'dangerous driving', although he admitted it was deliberate.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; Semper in faecibus sumus, sole profundum variat.

  14. Zog The Undeniable said:


    Par for the course in 21st century Britain. I blame Thatcher, because,
    after all, there is no such thing as society, is there?

    One of Thatchers most pernicious contributions.. Possibly a necessary
    treatment at the time but the side effects have been terrible.

    ...d

  15. Lee Bringer said:

    It.s impossible to cause murder while driving a car,

    Not so. There was a case a few years ago of an "honour killing" of a
    young woman by her family; they ran over her in a car. Somewhere
    Leicester-ish, if memory serves, and one of the suspects fled to the
    subcontinent before being extradited back. Convicted of murder. But
    the BBC search engine is pants, so I can't find it.

    R.

  16. Simon Brooke said:

    Like the chap who deliberately drove his range rover over a cyclist
    with a toddler in a trailer in a road rage attack? Charged, as I
    recall, with 'dangerous driving', although he admitted it was
    deliberate.

    The odious Carl Baxter. One charge of dangerous driving, two of causing
    grievous bodily harm, and one of leaving the scene of an "accident". A
    clear case of attempted murder IMV.

    --
    Dave...

  17. Not Responding said:

    I realise that news is selected and reported for its shock value
    but this takes the biscuit.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4537001.stm

    They were all coming back from a Saturday night out. They were probably
    worried about being breathalysed and decided their driving licences
    were more important than a stranger's life. Sadly I don't find anything
    surprising in this disgraceful story. I've been doing quite a lot of
    cycling on Friday and Saturday nights lately. They're not good times to
    be out.

    --
    Dave...

  18. Not Responding said:

    I realise that news is selected and reported for its shock value but
    this takes the biscuit.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4537001.stm

    A man who ran out of taxi fare after a stag night was hit by four
    different vehicles as he walked along a dual carriageway, an inquest has
    heard.

    No-one involved stopped to help in what the deputy coroner of Merthyr
    Tydfil called a "tale of inhumanity".


    Don't forget this is the infamous 'Heads of the Valley' road where, during
    the miners' strike, two strikers murdered the driver of a taxi carrying a
    miner to work by throwing concrete blocks off a bridge.

    --
    Michael MacClancy

  19. Michael MacClancy said:
    Not Responding said:

    I realise that news is selected and reported for its shock value but
    this takes the biscuit.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4537001.stm

    A man who ran out of taxi fare after a stag night was hit by four
    different vehicles as he walked along a dual carriageway, an inquest has
    heard.

    No-one involved stopped to help in what the deputy coroner of Merthyr
    Tydfil called a "tale of inhumanity".

    Don't forget this is the infamous 'Heads of the Valley' road where, during
    the miners' strike, two strikers murdered the driver of a taxi carrying a
    miner to work by throwing concrete blocks off a bridge.

    What has that got to do with the incident mentioned, or indeed the price
    of fish in Bombay?

    R.

  20. Richard said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    No-one involved stopped to help in what the deputy coroner of Merthyr
    Tydfil called a "tale of inhumanity".

    Don't forget this is the infamous 'Heads of the Valley' road where, during
    the miners' strike, two strikers murdered the driver of a taxi carrying a
    miner to work by throwing concrete blocks off a bridge.

    What has that got to do with the incident mentioned,

    I would have thought they were both instances of inhumanity. They were both
    on the same road.

    Quoted message said:

    or indeed the price
    of fish in Bombay?

    Nothing.

    Quoted message said:


    R.

    --
    Michael MacClancy

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