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  1. It surprises me that people's response to evidence of alleged doping is akin
    to them having had their religion denied.

    There is a long and well known tradition of performance enhancing substance
    use in cycling (and a host of other sports) - be it steroids, amphetamines,
    alcohol or Bolivian-marching-powder. Use was rife before it was explicitly
    illegal throughout the 50s, 60s and presumably earlier. In the 70s it was a
    grey area and then became more clearly and formally identified as 'wrong'
    and 'bad' in the 80s.

    Don't get me wrong - THIS IS NOT A PRO-DOPING RANT. It is clearly
    undesireable and those who infringe should be penalised. BUT one is naive
    if one imagines that, as a minimum, the majority of participants are not
    'experimenting' with 'techniques' at the margin and in the legislative grey
    areas to find that extra burst in the sprint or a last kick at the end of a
    long climb.

    Where careers are typically short, the probability of success low, the price
    of mere adequacy is an obscure and impecunious future - and rewards to the
    few cycling-gods are stellar - massive incentives to elasticate (and
    outright infringe) the legal envelope exist.

    In one, two, three years time newly annointed cycling-gods (or evil-doers)
    will be being besmirched by iconoclasts (or righteous whistleblowers) - once
    again it will depend in large part, on one's point of view, the adequacy of
    the evidence and the strength of assertions. But it will also rely upon the
    quality of one's lawyers, sports scientists and spin doctors.

    So relax. Treat this (and experience it) for the raw human drama that it
    is - Shakespeare couldn't have written this stuff. On and off the course,
    in and out of the laboratory and through court rooms cut, thrust, parry and
    finely tweaked nuance are all magnified by an eagre media for our titilation
    and enjoyment. Most of all remember that none of this would happen if it
    were not that we are all interested - we read the media, we debate right
    from wrong, we buy the brands, we pretend that we are Jan or Eddy or Master
    Jacques. Inadvertantly we create the gods, the demons, the monsters. And
    we damn or redeem sinners.

    The culture is too litigious for one to launch a spray at specific riders
    (or events) - past or present. Just accept that it is an ever present
    undercurrent of all professional sport and that from time to time it will
    spill over into the public conciousness. And when it does, it will be
    better than any soap-opera and should be taken only as seriously.

    You created the gods - only you can deny them.

  2. jim said:


    So relax. Treat this (and experience it) for the raw human drama that it
    is - Shakespeare couldn't have written this stuff. On and off the course,
    in and out of the laboratory and through court rooms cut, thrust, parry and
    finely tweaked nuance are all magnified by an eagre media for our titilation
    and enjoyment.

    Touché.

  3. jim said:

    It surprises me that people's response to evidence of alleged doping is akin
    to them having had their religion denied.

    That's not it at all, well not for me anyway. I find it repellent that
    competitors may be excluded on suspicion of wrong doing and not
    conviction of wrong doing.

    That's what gets up my nose.
    --
    Cheers
    Euan

  4. jim said:

    It surprises me that people's response to evidence of alleged doping is akin
    to them having had their religion denied.

    I'll be somewhat annoyed if it's proven that Ulrich, Basso and the rest
    are doping, but my bigger complaint is that on the eve of the tour they've
    been suspended on effectively hearsay. That's a huge blow to them, and
    conceivably they may never race at this level again even if shown clean.
    It's also going to have a huge impact on the spectacle I've been looking
    forward to. Jan vs Ivan has been on the cards for a year, and now it's
    pulled at the last minute?

    I haven't seen the "evidence", but from what's been published in a few
    places this *could* be a joe-job [1] of massive proportions. Screaming "X
    is on the gear" is along the same lines as saying "X is a commie" in the
    50s, or "X is a terrorist/pedophile". The truth or otherwise of the
    allegation doesn't matter. Having the allegation made makes the accused
    guilty.

    Let them ride. Suspend their prizes if you want, but at least let them
    ride on the chance they are clean.

    [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_job
    --
    Dave Hughes | [email hidden]
    I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory

  5. Random Data said:

    I haven't seen the "evidence", but from what's been published in a few places this *could* be a joe-job [1] of massive proportions. Screaming "X is on the gear" is along the same lines as saying "X is a commie" in the 50s, or "X is a terrorist/pedophile". The truth or otherwise of the allegation doesn't matter. Having the allegation made makes the accused guilty.

    Let them ride. Suspend their prizes if you want, but at least let them
    ride on the chance they are clean.

    I do see your point, but that could be heading to the murky world of *conspiracies*. Conspiracies do happen, but invaribly when a chain of perplexing events do occur, there's a higher probability in reality that it's actually a fcukup. A fcukup, that parties with less honourable intentions, may take advantage of, to suit their own ends.

  6. cfsmtb said:

    I do see your point, but that could be heading to the murky world of
    *conspiracies*.

    Could be, but from what's been released so far it wouldn't be impossible
    for one or two people to manufacture the evidence. It's not like there's a
    great deal of independent corroboration, unless I've missed something.

    You want conspiracy, how about GW Bush et al doing it to distract Europe
    from his activities :-)
    --
    Dave Hughes | [email hidden]
    .... it is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big
    enough hammer." -- Sun System & Network Admin manual

  7. Random Data said:


    You want conspiracy, how about GW Bush et al doing it to distract Europe
    from his activities :-)

    Bwhahahahaha! Ta muchly for the best laff of the day. 😉 Actually Mr Data, you could be spot on there. So much of the media recently could be also viewed as purely as divisive tactics. When in doubt, blame the squid.

  8. [PHP][/PHP]

    Euan said:

    I find it repellent that
    competitors may be excluded on suspicion of wrong doing and not
    conviction of wrong doing.

    That's what gets up my nose.
    --
    Cheers
    Euan

    [PHP][/PHP]

    It is not a long stretch to assume that there's a bit more than "suspicion" involved. Think of the potential liability team management assumes in punting a rider just on suspicion. If they are wrong, or not entitled to suspend, it would leave them open to all sorts of claims - claims by the suspended rider, claims by his personal sponsors, claims by team sponsors, claims by media organisations who have laid out [censored] loads for TV rights etc etc. To say nothing of the strong personal issues to overcome in suspending a guy from your team that has trained his [censored] off, contributed to the team etc etc. There is no doubt a strong sense of human loyalty to these suspended riders within their teams.

    We just have to wait and see how things pan out. And otherewise enjoy the spectacle that is the TDF over the next 3 weeks. I wont be watching any less of the race because of this. Its still the greatest sporting event and the toughest test of the human will (IMHO). Great theatre, great protagonists, and great inspirational fodder. I'll be watching and being inspired (and suffering interminable bouts of bike envy🙁 🙂

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    monsterman said:

    I wont be watching any less of the race because of this.

    Me either.

    --
    Shane Stanley

  10. jim said:

    Where careers are typically short, the probability of success low, the price
    of mere adequacy is an obscure and impecunious future - and rewards to the
    few cycling-gods are stellar - massive incentives to elasticate (and
    outright infringe) the legal envelope exist.

    Quoted message said:

    You created the gods - only you can deny them.

    I'm not concerned about false allegations (let others fight the Salem
    Witchtrials over sport).

    I'm concerned about a culture of professional sport which creates these
    gods whose feet are ultimately of the same clay as our own. What
    beauty is there in seeing a man (or woman) whose life is sacrificed to
    training, but who ultimately fails due to sport reaching the level of
    physiological difference. Is there any joy in watching the victory of
    those whose body fat/muscle balance has been devestated by a life
    threatening cancer? Is there any beauty in seeing a sport decided on
    the genetics of O2 consumption?

    It seems that all non-participatory sport is going this way. The true
    sporting achievements I see in cycling are the reports I read here of
    the amateur proud of their victory in a 4th division group, or their
    triumph of being forced to move from a 3rd division to a 2nd division.
    The true sports I look for involves reading the personal stories of
    triumph or comradery in competitive or "hook-up" or personal riding.

    Sure I enjoy watching gods with feet of clay compete. But when the
    margin of success is surviving cancer, or the genetics of birth, or
    using illegal enhancements, rather than skill training or commitment,
    there is little pleasure in watching victory.

    yours,
    Sam R.

  11. [quote="[email hidden]"]jim wrote:
    I'm concerned about a culture of professional sport which creates these
    gods whose feet are ultimately of the same clay as our own. What
    beauty is there in seeing a man (or woman) whose life is sacrificed to
    training, but who ultimately fails due to sport reaching the level of
    physiological difference. Is there any joy in watching the victory of
    those whose body fat/muscle balance has been devestated by a life
    threatening cancer? Is there any beauty in seeing a sport decided on
    the genetics of O2 consumption?

    It seems that all non-participatory sport is going this way. The true
    sporting achievements I see in cycling are the reports I read here of
    the amateur proud of their victory in a 4th division group, or their
    triumph of being forced to move from a 3rd division to a 2nd division.
    The true sports I look for involves reading the personal stories of
    triumph or comradery in competitive or "hook-up" or personal riding.

    Sure I enjoy watching gods with feet of clay compete. But when the
    margin of success is surviving cancer, or the genetics of birth, or
    using illegal enhancements, rather than skill training or commitment,
    there is little pleasure in watching victory.

    Apart from the coments regarding cancer I think you have a valid point. As much as I enjoy watching elite sport be it live or on TV my frustration is that the elite level is so far removed from the grass roots level based on technology, performance enhancement etc. Getting away from Cycling The Brisbane Lions in the AFL where canned for using IV drips to re-hydrate players, not illegal but not something you would want yours kids doing in the under 10's. Whats wrong with athletes being unable to perform due to being exahusted, thats the whole point, thats why as a Cyclist I related to the pain of the TDF, I think of my pain going up the 1:20, but with the drugs cloud hanging over the sport/TDF you doubt if some of the great performance are acts of determination or acts of medical trickery.
    I have not followed the current events closely enough to have an opinion on whether Basso, Ulrich and co are inocent or guilty.

    Maybe we need to lessen the expecations of our elite, who cares if the stages take longer, the average speeds come down.

    The cancer comment is I think not really relevent. Its great to see anybody come back from illness/injury and give life/sport their best shot whether they be at an elite level or just plodder out on the park/road on the weekend.

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