Fellow Enviro Needs Vandeman's Help

On 26 Aug 2005 09:10:45 -0700, [email hidden] wrote:

..Mike,
..
..I just want to tell you how impressed I am with your campaign against
..mountain biking and its destruction of the environment. I want to
..become the kind of evangelist you are and spread the word as
..relentlessly as you have.
..
..Unfortunately, I'm feeling a bit guilty about telling others what they
..should and shouldn't be doing. You see, I have worked for the past 20
..years at the local telephone company in the IT department. Just the
..other day, I realized that by doing work for and accepting a paycheck
..from this company, I was a party its effects on the environment.
..
..These effects include:
..* Strip mining in various countries to provide the raw materials (e.g.
..copper) for the required infrastructure
..* Chemical pollution of the environment from preservatives used in
..utility poles
..* Clear cutting of vast areas of wilderness (far more area than is
..consumed by simple trails)
..* Pollution of the air from the large fleet of vehicles (some of them
..off-road!) to support the phone company infrastructure
..
...... oh, and many, many, more transgressions. I feel I'd be completely
..hypocritical if I were to lambast others for their mountain biking if I
..were to continue to work for the phone company.
..
..So, Mike, I need your advice. What should I do, should I continue to
..work for the phone company and just ignore anyone who points this out
..when I'm telling them how they're destroying the environment, or should
..I show some real dedication to what I'm supposed to be an advocate for,
..and quit my high paying job and work for a company that doesn't wage
..environmental destruction? I know you're an extremely ethical (you've
..said so, many times) person who can help me, I really appreciate it.
..
..thanks,
..
..your friend in environmentalism,
..
..CP

What a hypocrite -- using the phone company while criticizing it.
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Quoted message said:

Mike,
These effects include:
* Strip mining in various countries to provide the raw materials (e.g.
copper) for the required infrastructure
* Chemical pollution of the environment from preservatives used in
utility poles
* Clear cutting of vast areas of wilderness (far more area than is
consumed by simple trails)
* Pollution of the air from the large fleet of vehicles (some of them
off-road!) to support the phone company infrastructure

.... oh, and many, many, more transgressions. I feel I'd be completely
hypocritical if I were to lambast others for their mountain biking if I
were to continue to work for the phone company.

So, Mike, I need your advice. What should I do, should I continue to
work for the phone company and just ignore anyone who points this out
when I'm telling them how they're destroying the environment, or should
I show some real dedication to what I'm supposed to be an advocate for,
and quit my high paying job and work for a company that doesn't wage
environmental destruction? I know you're an extremely ethical (you've
said so, many times) person who can help me, I really appreciate it.

If I was part of something so evil, I think I would commit suicide, but
before retirement I worked in the oil industry so I don't have that problem
:<😉

Mike Vandeman said:

What a hypocrite -- using the phone company while criticizing it.

Mike, I'm shocked at your reply. You are my hero. I come to you, hands
out, looking for you to impart your wisdom, and this is what I get? I'm
sure you must just be having a bad day.

By the way, Mike, I assume you don't have this problem with your own
job, because you'd never, ever, ever, work for a company that was
engaged in widespread environmental destruction, as I so inadvertantly
have. I assume you must work for a company that's a far cry from my
local phone company. Can you help me find an appropriate place to work,
perhaps, by telling me what kind of company you work for, so I'd have a
good role model to follow.

love what you're doing,

your big buddy,

CP

OR , just as bad, USE the telephone company infrastructure to access
the internet , thereby supporting the evil plot to destroy the world.

On 26 Aug 2005 15:01:53 -0700, [email hidden] wrote:

..
..Mike Vandeman wrote:
..>
..> What a hypocrite -- using the phone company while criticizing it.
..
..Mike, I'm shocked at your reply. You are my hero. I come to you, hands
..out, looking for you to impart your wisdom, and this is what I get? I'm
..sure you must just be having a bad day.
..
..By the way, Mike, I assume you don't have this problem with your own
..job, because you'd never, ever, ever, work for a company that was
..engaged in widespread environmental destruction, as I so inadvertantly
..have. I assume you must work for a company that's a far cry from my
..local phone company. Can you help me find an appropriate place to work,
..perhaps, by telling me what kind of company you work for, so I'd have a
..good role model to follow.

None of your business.

..love what you're doing,
..
..your big buddy,
..
..CP

===
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humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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Looks like Mike is writing and replying to himself again.....

MTBlood said:

Looks like Mike is writing and replying to himself again.....

Seriously, one thing that Vandeman is right about: a lot of you guys
are total idiots. Think: ever hear of sarcasm? Ever wonder what
Vandeman does for a living and if it conflicts with his so-called
crusade? Gee, do you think he might work for, oh, a phone company? Duh.

CP

Mike Vandeman said:

None of your business.

?? I'm so surprised, Mike. You've made it your business to know where
those you've attacked work, so that you could contact their employers
and try to get them fired. It even got you booted from your Sierra Club
chair seat. I don't see why you'd be so hissy about somebody knowing
where you work, if you've gone to such trouble yourself.

Nevermind, as it turns out, I found out by chance that YOU ALSO WORK
FOR A PHONE COMPANY!! Wow, how lucky I am to have a fellow enviro of
your caliber with the same problem! You have somehow reconciled the
atrocities that your employer wrecks against the environment with your
crusade. Please, so that I can continue to keep my high-paying phone
company job, please tell me how you have rationalized this clear
contradiction.

love that karma you're generating,

your eager pupil,

CP

On 28 Aug 2005 15:33:56 -0700, [email hidden] wrote:

..
..MTBlood wrote:
..> Looks like Mike is writing and replying to himself again.....
..
..Seriously, one thing that Vandeman is right about: a lot of you guys
..are total idiots.

You can say THAT again.

..CP

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On 28 Aug 2005 15:39:04 -0700, [email hidden] wrote:

..
..Mike Vandeman wrote:
..>
..> None of your business.
..
..?? I'm so surprised, Mike. You've made it your business to know where
..those you've attacked work, so that you could contact their employers
..and try to get them fired. It even got you booted from your Sierra Club
..chair seat. I don't see why you'd be so hissy about somebody knowing
..where you work, if you've gone to such trouble yourself.
..
..Nevermind, as it turns out, I found out by chance that YOU ALSO WORK
..FOR A PHONE COMPANY!! Wow, how lucky I am to have a fellow enviro of
..your caliber with the same problem! You have somehow reconciled the
..atrocities that your employer wrecks against the environment with your
..crusade. Please, so that I can continue to keep my high-paying phone
..company job, please tell me how you have rationalized this clear
..contradiction.

How do you, hypocrite? You claim to work for an "employer [that] wrecks against
the environment", but you think it's bad if someone else does, too? That's
called "hypocrisy".

..love that karma you're generating,
..
..your eager pupil,
..
..CP

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years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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Mike Vandeman said:

How do you, hypocrite? You claim to work for an "employer [that] wrecks against
the environment", but you think it's bad if someone else does, too? That's
called "hypocrisy".

Gee, in this case, I'll just call it "joining the crowd", as it
includes you. Glad to see you agree that environmentalists who are
working for the phone company have a major ethical problem with their
beliefs, boy, I was up late at night feeling so alone, glad I have you
with me.

So, knowing what an ethical and moral person you are, I'm still hoping
that you'll share how you've put these issues to rest, seeing as you've
continued to work for the phone company for years, while lambasting
others for supporting anti-environmental activities (a.k.a. the same as
your employer). I'd like to keep my high-paying job, too, as you have
done, yet still be as smug and as self-satisfied as you are that I'm
"protecting the environment".

waiting for your nuggets of wisdom,

your loyal servant,

CP

Quoted message said:

MTBlood said:

Looks like Mike is writing and replying to himself again.....

Seriously, one thing that Vandeman is right about: a lot of you guys
are total idiots. Think: ever hear of sarcasm?

Only one guy claimed you were Vandeman replying to himself. That's not
exactly "a lot".

--
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On 28 Aug 2005 16:48:50 -0700, [email hidden] wrote:

..
..Mike Vandeman wrote:
..>
..> How do you, hypocrite? You claim to work for an "employer [that] wrecks against
..> the environment", but you think it's bad if someone else does, too? That's
..> called "hypocrisy".
..
..Gee, in this case, I'll just call it "joining the crowd", as it
..includes you. Glad to see you agree that environmentalists who are
..working for the phone company have a major ethical problem with their
..beliefs, boy, I was up late at night feeling so alone, glad I have you
..with me.
..
..So, knowing what an ethical and moral person you are, I'm still hoping
..that you'll share how you've put these issues to rest, seeing as you've
..continued to work for the phone company for years, while lambasting
..others for supporting anti-environmental activities (a.k.a. the same as
..your employer). I'd like to keep my high-paying job, too, as you have
..done, yet still be as smug and as self-satisfied as you are that I'm
.."protecting the environment".

Did you say something? I thought not.

..waiting for your nuggets of wisdom,
..
..your loyal servant,
..
..CP

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humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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Quoted message said:

.> Looks like Mike is writing and replying to himself again.....
.
.Seriously, one thing that Vandeman is right about: a lot of you guys
.are total idiots.

You can say THAT again.

.CP

Seriously...dipshit...a half an hour between posts after this sat dormant
for 24 hrs? Talking to yourself as another person is one sure sign that
proves what everyone has been saying all those years....

You can say that again...and btw...MTBlood you are my hero too. I wish
I could ride half as good as you do. I want to follow your lead and
make myself the best mountain biker that I can be...I quit my job last
week so I could ride all the time. I did it because I know only then
can I be half the rider that you are...

Mike Vandeman said:

Did you say something? I thought not.

I'm so, so, disappointed, Mike. We'll, I did it, I quit my high-paying
phone company job, there's absolutely no way that a dedicated enviro
can ethically argue against others anti-environmental activities while
sucking the teat of a company that breathes by wanton destruction. I'd
hoped that you had some great way that you, such a clearly self-assured
and loud-mouthed enviro, had figured out a way to rationalize it
(seeing that you work for the phone company, too), but in the end, I
see that you are just a gigantic hypocrite who simply ignores and
denies any inconsistency in your life that points out what a two-faced
twit you are. Funny, but I get the idea from how well-received you are
in the wack-job enviro community, that there are many like you out
there, preaching out of one side of your mouth while living a lie on
the other. And all you have to say is the retort of a little 7th grade
boy who has been 'dissed yet again, pathetic.

CP

On 29 Aug 2005 18:17:52 -0700, "rockcrusher" <[email hidden]> wrote:

..You can say that again...and btw...MTBlood you are my hero too. I wish
..I could ride half as good as you do. I want to follow your lead and
..make myself the best mountain biker that I can be...I quit my job last
..week so I could ride all the time. I did it because I know only then
..can I be half the rider that you are...

And don't forget half the MAN. 🙂
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I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On 30 Aug 2005 07:08:43 -0700, [email hidden] wrote:

..Mike Vandeman wrote:
..>
..> Did you say something? I thought not.
..>
..
..I'm so, so, disappointed, Mike. We'll, I did it, I quit my high-paying
..phone company job, there's absolutely no way that a dedicated enviro
..can ethically argue against others anti-environmental activities while
..sucking the teat of a company that breathes by wanton destruction. I'd
..hoped that you had some great way that you, such a clearly self-assured
..and loud-mouthed enviro, had figured out a way to rationalize it
..(seeing that you work for the phone company, too), but in the end, I
..see that you are just a gigantic hypocrite who simply ignores and
..denies any inconsistency in your life that points out what a two-faced
..twit you are. Funny, but I get the idea from how well-received you are
..in the wack-job enviro community, that there are many like you out
..there, preaching out of one side of your mouth while living a lie on
..the other. And all you have to say is the retort of a little 7th grade
..boy who has been 'dissed yet again, pathetic.
..
..CP

Yawn. (That response if copyrighted -- you can't use it.)
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years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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